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Post by LCPolo18 on Dec 9, 2019 16:39:59 GMT -5
FROM DC COURT ONLINE ACCESS
12/09/2019 Event Resulted: HEARING HELD The following event: Hearing on Temporary Restraining Order scheduled for 12/09/2019 at 10:00 am has been resulted as follows: Both the Plaintiff and the defendants with counsel appeared for the scheduled hearing. Defendants agreed to a Consent Order Stay Away Order. All parties signed the order as did the court. Copy of the order was provided to the parties in open court. This order will resolve the entire case. All future dates are cancelled.Result: Temporary Restraining Order Hearing Held Judge: MOTT, JOHN M Location: Judge In Chambers, Room 4103 MATTESON BECKIS (Plaintiff); MYRON GARDNER (Defendant); JOSH LABLANC (Defendant); GALEN ALEXANDER (Defendant); ; Judge JOHN M MOTT on behalf of Judge JOHN M CAMPBELL ---------------- One case down. not sure about the other one, but clearly this is a good sign for Gardner and Alexander since the complainant also agreed to this resoution. To clarify though, the first civil case is still open and it names LeBlanc and Alexander (but not Gardner).
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 9, 2019 16:41:05 GMT -5
Quite correct Polo. My bad. One case closed. Here's where the other one stands - the one which does not include Gardner:
Other case against LeBlanc and Alexander Next court date:
02/07/2020 10:30 AM Courtroom 517 Initial Scheduling Conference-60
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Post by DallasHoya on Dec 9, 2019 16:58:57 GMT -5
It could be, but why haven't they said there is an on-going investigation in place if that was the case? Even then, waiting over a month to investigate harrassment is pretty bad. These aren't incidents that should take months and months to resolve. That is really my issue. The school hasn't said either way if there is an investigation, if there isn't an investigation, if there was an investigation and its been closed. Everyone is waiting for something and there doesn't seem to be any reason to believe there is anything to wait for. Very good questions... Lee Reed said that investigations typically take 10-12 weeks to complete.
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 9, 2019 17:05:41 GMT -5
So, from today's news, can we assume that Gardner at least is in the clear and will be playing for the Hoyas the remainder of the season, pending no other off-court issues?
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 9, 2019 17:12:45 GMT -5
How close to zero are the odds of LeBlanc reconsidering and coming back?
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Post by joey0403p on Dec 9, 2019 17:27:37 GMT -5
Can someone even change their minds if they wanted too?
Would Ewing (or any coach) take someone back - ignore the other case for a second... I’m not so sure
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Dec 9, 2019 17:30:56 GMT -5
How close to zero are the odds of LeBlanc reconsidering and coming back? I think there is a chance. With time maybe cooler heads will prevail. If he's not in any serious legal trouble there's a small chance he will realize playing for Coach Ewing is in his best interest. Based on all media, he was very close to Coach Ewing. He's not going to play the rest of this season, that's why I believe there was suspension involved. Sometimes the grass isn't always greener somewhere else. Does he want to wait until December 2020 to play again? Until he announces his destination anything is possible.
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Post by guru on Dec 9, 2019 17:45:30 GMT -5
How close to zero are the odds of LeBlanc reconsidering and coming back? Don’t want him. Next man up!
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Post by DudeSlade on Dec 9, 2019 17:52:44 GMT -5
So, from today's news, can we assume that Gardner at least is in the clear and will be playing for the Hoyas the remainder of the season, pending no other off-court issues? This was my question. I don't want to dismiss the complainant's case, but I'm hoping the student is satisfied with the outcome, having accepted it in court. Having to assume so, then I hope that Gardner learns whatever there is to learn from this and becomes a model player/student for the rest of his time with us. Though rare, there are times in cases that all can walk away and feel satisfied and move forward. I'm hoping that's the case here and unless new evidence comes out, have no reason to think different, at least in Gardner's case. He will be an important depth piece this year and I think will seriously contend for that 3 spot when Mosely leaves next year. Lots of athleticism, length, body control, and aggression. He plays hard. He could be fun to watch for the next 3.5 years. I'm glad that at least 1 of the 3 player's situation is resolved. I just hope that all are satisfied with it.
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Post by sleepy on Dec 9, 2019 19:44:17 GMT -5
How close to zero are the odds of LeBlanc reconsidering and coming back? I think there is a chance. With time maybe cooler heads will prevail. If he's not in any serious legal trouble there's a small chance he will realize playing for Coach Ewing is in his best interest. Based on all media, he was very close to Coach Ewing. He's not going to play the rest of this season, that's why I believe there was suspension involved. Sometimes the grass isn't always greener somewhere else. Does he want to wait until December 2020 to play again? Until he announces his destination anything is possible. It seems like there was a lot going on with Josh this year. If there was any chance we could get the Josh of last year back both in and off the court, I think having a conversation to work out whatever’s going on would be worth it. Other than that, I think you unfortunately part ways.
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 9, 2019 20:20:21 GMT -5
Can someone even change their minds if they wanted too? Would Ewing (or any coach) take someone back - ignore the other case for a second... I’m not so sure The answer to this is almost certainly yes - at least in football, and I would think that basketball rules are the same. USC had two players enter the transfer portal and then change their minds and return this year, including third string quarterback Matt Fink, who led USC to its win over Utah after Slovis was hurt. Clay Helton was happy to take them back, so I gather it must be a mutual decision between the player and the coach.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 9, 2019 20:26:27 GMT -5
How close to zero are the odds of LeBlanc reconsidering and coming back? Can he change his mind and come back or does he have to sit out a year if he enters the Portal?
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 9, 2019 21:56:24 GMT -5
How close to zero are the odds of LeBlanc reconsidering and coming back? Can he change his mind and come back or does he have to sit out a year if he enters the Portal? See my response to Joey directly above; should answer your question, as well.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 9, 2019 23:37:55 GMT -5
Last season LJ Figueroa entered the transfer portal and decided to stay at St. John's. Obviously, that was because of Mullin but there are no special rules resulting from a coaching change. I think it's extremely unlikely, but you never know.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 9, 2019 23:45:06 GMT -5
Apologies for the following long post that seems like a huge non sequitur. I started a derailment in the Terrell Allen thread but wanted to keep the conversation going in the more appropriate thread:
10 minutes ago hoyasaxa2003 likes thisQuotelikePost OptionsPost by EtomicB on 10 minutes ago tashoya Avatar 18 minutes ago tashoya said: hoyainla Avatar 36 minutes ago hoyainla said: Everything seemed to change at halftime of the first game of the year. He played like last year in the 1H but then seemed to decide I’m not going through another year like last year and took it upon himself. It seemed that JA decided at that point to go selfish and the only reason we won the game was because of that. There was the “I got you” moment after that game. That ended up being the worst thing that happened because he never got out of selfish mode. I believe if Josh started it may have been minimized a bit but it was clear he was done with Mac. We were all lauding him after the MSM game which is where selfish was greatness. It became very apparent in the next couple games he was hurting more than he was helping and it was no longer greatness. He did Pat a huge favor by transferring because Pat clearly wasn’t ready to fix the problem. I agree for the most part. The part that I find difficult is the last part. Ready to fix the problem is a two-way street. Both parties have to agree, at least on some level, that there is one. For all of James' talent, his confidence in what he thought he could do was bigger than his ability to actually do those things. On some level, you have to have that sort of confidence. But it also has to be tempered by reality. No amount of confidence is going to make Akinjo into Allen Iverson. It'll serve him well in many regards but if it becomes offensive for his coach to tell him to dial it back because it's not working and it won't work because he's not yet at that level, I'm not sure what "fix" there is to be made. Either the player adjusts to the reality of the situation or he's going to be very unhappy. Thoughts?
But he was playing 30+ minutes per game, a coach does have the authority to sit players who aren’t playing the way he wants them to right? tashoya Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts) ***
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less than a minute ago QuoteEditlikePost OptionsPost by tashoya on less than a minute ago EtomicB Avatar 10 minutes ago EtomicB said: tashoya Avatar 18 minutes ago tashoya said: I agree for the most part. The part that I find difficult is the last part. Ready to fix the problem is a two-way street. Both parties have to agree, at least on some level, that there is one. For all of James' talent, his confidence in what he thought he could do was bigger than his ability to actually do those things. On some level, you have to have that sort of confidence. But it also has to be tempered by reality. No amount of confidence is going to make Akinjo into Allen Iverson. It'll serve him well in many regards but if it becomes offensive for his coach to tell him to dial it back because it's not working and it won't work because he's not yet at that level, I'm not sure what "fix" there is to be made. Either the player adjusts to the reality of the situation or he's going to be very unhappy. Thoughts? But he was playing 30+ minutes per game, a coach does have the authority to sit players who aren’t playing the way he wants them to right?
I'm going to copy and paste this into the Akinjo/Leblanc thread so we can keep up the discussion. I didn't respond to this salient point in my post but I did try to address it in my previous response to a different poster.
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Post by iowa80 on Dec 9, 2019 23:56:43 GMT -5
Apologies for the following long post that seems like a huge non sequitur. I started a derailment in the Terrell Allen thread but wanted to keep the conversation going in the more appropriate thread: 10 minutes ago hoyasaxa2003 likes thisQuotelikePost OptionsPost by EtomicB on 10 minutes ago tashoya Avatar 18 minutes ago tashoya said: hoyainla Avatar 36 minutes ago hoyainla said: Everything seemed to change at halftime of the first game of the year. He played like last year in the 1H but then seemed to decide I’m not going through another year like last year and took it upon himself. It seemed that JA decided at that point to go selfish and the only reason we won the game was because of that. There was the “I got you” moment after that game. That ended up being the worst thing that happened because he never got out of selfish mode. I believe if Josh started it may have been minimized a bit but it was clear he was done with Mac. We were all lauding him after the MSM game which is where selfish was greatness. It became very apparent in the next couple games he was hurting more than he was helping and it was no longer greatness. He did Pat a huge favor by transferring because Pat clearly wasn’t ready to fix the problem. I agree for the most part. The part that I find difficult is the last part. Ready to fix the problem is a two-way street. Both parties have to agree, at least on some level, that there is one. For all of James' talent, his confidence in what he thought he could do was bigger than his ability to actually do those things. On some level, you have to have that sort of confidence. But it also has to be tempered by reality. No amount of confidence is going to make Akinjo into Allen Iverson. It'll serve him well in many regards but if it becomes offensive for his coach to tell him to dial it back because it's not working and it won't work because he's not yet at that level, I'm not sure what "fix" there is to be made. Either the player adjusts to the reality of the situation or he's going to be very unhappy. Thoughts? But he was playing 30+ minutes per game, a coach does have the authority to sit players who aren’t playing the way he wants them to right? tashoya Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts) *** tashoya Avatar Posts: 9,221 Member is Online less than a minute ago QuoteEditlikePost OptionsPost by tashoya on less than a minute ago EtomicB Avatar 10 minutes ago EtomicB said: tashoya Avatar 18 minutes ago tashoya said: I agree for the most part. The part that I find difficult is the last part. Ready to fix the problem is a two-way street. Both parties have to agree, at least on some level, that there is one. For all of James' talent, his confidence in what he thought he could do was bigger than his ability to actually do those things. On some level, you have to have that sort of confidence. But it also has to be tempered by reality. No amount of confidence is going to make Akinjo into Allen Iverson. It'll serve him well in many regards but if it becomes offensive for his coach to tell him to dial it back because it's not working and it won't work because he's not yet at that level, I'm not sure what "fix" there is to be made. Either the player adjusts to the reality of the situation or he's going to be very unhappy. Thoughts? But he was playing 30+ minutes per game, a coach does have the authority to sit players who aren’t playing the way he wants them to right? I'm going to copy and paste this into the Akinjo/Leblanc thread so we can keep up the discussion. I didn't respond to this salient point in my post but I did try to address it in my previous response to a different poster. Just to re-emphasize the context, there was a degree of discussion as to whether a particular player was "the problem" or whether a coaching decision about putting the best lineup on the floor--to limit "the problem's" playing time-- was in fact "the problem." Or at least that's how I see it.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 10, 2019 0:01:24 GMT -5
Apologies for the following long post that seems like a huge non sequitur. I started a derailment in the Terrell Allen thread but wanted to keep the conversation going in the more appropriate thread: 10 minutes ago hoyasaxa2003 likes thisQuotelikePost OptionsPost by EtomicB on 10 minutes ago tashoya Avatar 18 minutes ago tashoya said: hoyainla Avatar 36 minutes ago hoyainla said: Everything seemed to change at halftime of the first game of the year. He played like last year in the 1H but then seemed to decide I’m not going through another year like last year and took it upon himself. It seemed that JA decided at that point to go selfish and the only reason we won the game was because of that. There was the “I got you” moment after that game. That ended up being the worst thing that happened because he never got out of selfish mode. I believe if Josh started it may have been minimized a bit but it was clear he was done with Mac. We were all lauding him after the MSM game which is where selfish was greatness. It became very apparent in the next couple games he was hurting more than he was helping and it was no longer greatness. He did Pat a huge favor by transferring because Pat clearly wasn’t ready to fix the problem. I agree for the most part. The part that I find difficult is the last part. Ready to fix the problem is a two-way street. Both parties have to agree, at least on some level, that there is one. For all of James' talent, his confidence in what he thought he could do was bigger than his ability to actually do those things. On some level, you have to have that sort of confidence. But it also has to be tempered by reality. No amount of confidence is going to make Akinjo into Allen Iverson. It'll serve him well in many regards but if it becomes offensive for his coach to tell him to dial it back because it's not working and it won't work because he's not yet at that level, I'm not sure what "fix" there is to be made. Either the player adjusts to the reality of the situation or he's going to be very unhappy. Thoughts? But he was playing 30+ minutes per game, a coach does have the authority to sit players who aren’t playing the way he wants them to right? tashoya Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts) *** tashoya Avatar Posts: 9,221 Member is Online less than a minute ago QuoteEditlikePost OptionsPost by tashoya on less than a minute ago EtomicB Avatar 10 minutes ago EtomicB said: tashoya Avatar 18 minutes ago tashoya said: I agree for the most part. The part that I find difficult is the last part. Ready to fix the problem is a two-way street. Both parties have to agree, at least on some level, that there is one. For all of James' talent, his confidence in what he thought he could do was bigger than his ability to actually do those things. On some level, you have to have that sort of confidence. But it also has to be tempered by reality. No amount of confidence is going to make Akinjo into Allen Iverson. It'll serve him well in many regards but if it becomes offensive for his coach to tell him to dial it back because it's not working and it won't work because he's not yet at that level, I'm not sure what "fix" there is to be made. Either the player adjusts to the reality of the situation or he's going to be very unhappy. Thoughts? But he was playing 30+ minutes per game, a coach does have the authority to sit players who aren’t playing the way he wants them to right? I'm going to copy and paste this into the Akinjo/Leblanc thread so we can keep up the discussion. I didn't respond to this salient point in my post but I did try to address it in my previous response to a different poster. Just to re-emphasize the context, there was a degree of discussion as to whether a particular player was "the problem" or whether a coaching decision about putting the best lineup on the floor--to limit "the problem's" playing time-- was in fact "the problem." Or at least that's how I see it. That seemed like about where we were at to me too. Thanks for that. Again, apologies for the huge derailment of the TA thread and the, likely, seeming hijack of this one in a different way.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 10, 2019 0:03:07 GMT -5
Here’s the exchange of posts... I agree for the most part. The part that I find difficult is the last part. Ready to fix the problem is a two-way street. Both parties have to agree, at least on some level, that there is one. For all of James' talent, his confidence in what he thought he could do was bigger than his ability to actually do those things. On some level, you have to have that sort of confidence. But it also has to be tempered by reality. No amount of confidence is going to make Akinjo into Allen Iverson. It'll serve him well in many regards but if it becomes offensive for his coach to tell him to dial it back because it's not working and it won't work because he's not yet at that level, I'm not sure what "fix" there is to be made. Either the player adjusts to the reality of the situation or he's going to be very unhappy. Thoughts? But he was playing 30+ minutes per game, a coach does have the authority to sit players who aren’t playing the way he wants them to right?
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Post by cgallstar02 on Dec 10, 2019 1:01:52 GMT -5
Just to re-emphasize the context, there was a degree of discussion as to whether a particular player was "the problem" or whether a coaching decision about putting the best lineup on the floor--to limit "the problem's" playing time-- was in fact "the problem." Or at least that's how I see it. If Ewing had in fact benched James in favor of Allen as the starter, or continued to allow James to start but cut his minutes down into the low 20's, I think it's clear at this point that would've only expedited James decision to transfer. No way would James be cool coming off the bench, especially for a player like Allen, who I'm sure he thinks is a vastly inferior player to himself. My guess is Ewing likely knew this, that James' ego was too big to handle any sort of long term benching or major minutes reduction, which is why James was always given the longest leash of any player. Pat didn't wanna lose someone he probably considered to be his most or second most important player, both this season, and in the next two to follow. It's hard to coach someone if you know they're just gonna pout, tune you out, and then likely transfer if they don't almost immediately get their way. Pat would've had to walk a fine line between "coaching" James, yet being certain not to over do it out of fear of losing him. I'm sure Pat saw plenty of this at the NBA level... coaches having to cater to their star players... while not nearly as bad at the college level, it still exists. Also, I'm not so sure Ewing even recognized that James was the problem. Sure, he knew the team was playing selfish and that James was a part of that, but I don't think he realized James was by far the biggest catalyst of that style of play. In all fairness, I don't think many fans did either. I can't remember anyone calling for James to be benched or to have his minutes reduced. If anything, most folks in the game thread complained if he sat on the bench for more than a few minutes at a time. I would even say that after Josh, he was the most well liked/respected player on the team in terms of the general consensus on the board.
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Post by kettlehill on Dec 10, 2019 13:35:50 GMT -5
With the Josh /Alexander hearing not scheduled until February, and a possible positive outcome until then, I doubt Josh will reconsider so late in the season.. Always possible
The speculation that PE was planning on benching JA or significantly reducing his minutes, is just that: Speculation. Correct me if I am wrong
I agree that JA was the most liked player -after Josh- on this board but that does not mean he was a favorite with his teamates or PE. (Assumed speculation)
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