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Post by gatormcclusky on Dec 8, 2019 14:19:49 GMT -5
Agree, but I imagine someone will just look at the stars and BE ROY award. I'm sure they will....Good luck to them. I think Akinjo is a good kid. Probably has trust issues outside of his family which makes it hard for him to buy in. His uncle is an adult and should no better. He obviously has a ton of sway in Ackinjo's life and isn't doing him any long term good. I think a well established coach can afford to take the chance. For a coach on the hot seat, bringing him in is way too risky of a move. I'm curious to see who's the gambling man... I think James will be extremely successful for a team that has a lot of spot up shooters and defending/rebounding big men where he can be the primary playmaker and handle the ball the majority of the time. I also think he is going to be very motivated to prove his talent after seeing how the Hoyas have responded to him no longer being there and will probably be much more willing to listen to coaching and get along with his teammates (at least initially). I hope it works out for the kid and this is a learning experience that helps him be better in the long run. His uncle needs to learn to back off of James and let him make his own decisions, though. If he doesn't, all bets are off - dude probably genuinely cares about James and thinks he's doing the right thing, but his Edited-poor attitude is cancer for his nephew's career.
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Post by theboardkatt on Dec 8, 2019 14:33:33 GMT -5
[/quote]I think James will be extremely successful for a team that has a lot of spot up shooters and defending/rebounding big men where he can be the primary playmaker and handle the ball the majority of the time. I also think he is going to be very motivated to prove his talent after seeing how the Hoyas have responded to him no longer being there and will probably be much more willing to listen to coaching and get along with his teammates (at least initially).[/quote]
Sounds like exactly what he had here, however it seems he never came to that realization or simply didn't care enough to spread the ball around. I'll admit I never really noticed this a lot during the first 7 games but now without him it seems glaringly obvious where the ball movement issues were coming from. I wish him well where ever he lands and will be interested to see where that eventually is...
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Post by hsaxon on Dec 8, 2019 21:08:46 GMT -5
I agree that James has had a tough life - this is a young kid - I have some sympathy, empathy, and understanding.
Also, I agree that James "dominated the ball" too much and that ball movement (and overall play) has improved a lot in the last two games.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Dec 9, 2019 13:40:35 GMT -5
I'm not an attorney so others might understand this better, but the temporary restraining order hearing for the civil case against Myron Gardner (naming Josh LeBlanc and Galen Alexander) was this morning. This is a separate civil case than the one that was heard back in November. The plaintiff, Gardner (with counsel), LeBlanc, and Alexander were all in attendance.
Myron Gardner's attorney submitted an answer to the plaintiff's complaint which denied all allegations against him. The defendants then agreed to a consent stay away order (temporary restraining order) for one year and the case was closed.
I wouldn't be surprised if the University investigation continues, but it looks like Gardner is done with the legal side of things at this point since he's not named in the other case.
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Post by sleepy on Dec 9, 2019 13:43:00 GMT -5
I'm not an attorney so others might understand this better, but the temporary restraining order hearing for the civil case against Myron Gardner (naming Josh LeBlanc and Galen Alexander) was this morning. This is a separate civil case than the one that was heard back in November. The plaintiff, Gardner (with counsel), LeBlanc, and Alexander were all in attendance. Myron Gardner's attorney submitted an answer to the plaintiff's complaint which denied all allegations against him. The defendants then agreed to a consent stay away order (temporary restraining order) for one year and the case was closed. I wouldn't be surprised if the University investigation continues, but it looks like Gardner is done with the legal side of things at this point since he's not named in the other case. Has anyone said there is an ongoing university investigation or is that just an assumption that is being made? Considering the school was well aware of this back in September, is there a reason to think the investigation hasn't already happened and been completed?
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Post by LCPolo18 on Dec 9, 2019 13:49:06 GMT -5
I'm not an attorney so others might understand this better, but the temporary restraining order hearing for the civil case against Myron Gardner (naming Josh LeBlanc and Galen Alexander) was this morning. This is a separate civil case than the one that was heard back in November. The plaintiff, Gardner (with counsel), LeBlanc, and Alexander were all in attendance. Myron Gardner's attorney submitted an answer to the plaintiff's complaint which denied all allegations against him. The defendants then agreed to a consent stay away order (temporary restraining order) for one year and the case was closed. I wouldn't be surprised if the University investigation continues, but it looks like Gardner is done with the legal side of things at this point since he's not named in the other case. Has anyone said there is an ongoing university investigation or is that just an assumption that is being made? Considering the school was well aware of this back in September, is there a reason to think the investigation hasn't already happened and been completed? Sorry, I should have made a caveat about whether the investigation has concluded already or not, so I guess it's speculation given that they won't officially make a statement about a specific investigation. However in the Wednesday night statement there was this quote that is present tense: "Georgetown University and Georgetown Athletics are working very closely with Coach Ewing and support his efforts to ensure the most careful attention to these issues and support for all of our students." And Casual Hoya made these tweets this morning.
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Post by sleepy on Dec 9, 2019 14:01:15 GMT -5
Has anyone said there is an ongoing university investigation or is that just an assumption that is being made? Considering the school was well aware of this back in September, is there a reason to think the investigation hasn't already happened and been completed? Sorry, I should have made a caveat about whether the investigation has concluded already or not, so I guess it's speculation given that they won't officially make a statement about a specific investigation. However in the Wednesday night statement there was this quote that is present tense: "Georgetown University and Georgetown Athletics are working very closely with Coach Ewing and support his efforts to ensure the most careful attention to these issues and support for all of our students." And Casual Hoya made these tweets this morning. I didn't read those quotes or even tweets as confirming or even referencing an on-going internal investigation. Its possible of course but I would hope any investigation started back in mid-September not once the charges became public and that wouldn't take a school a whole semester to investigate allegations when it comes to the safety of their students. Especially the way that statement is worded. The University and the Athletic department are working with Ewing to support HIS efforts. If the University were investigating this, it would be the other way around. Its not really Ewing's job to go around being Elliot Stabler investigating crimes around campus.
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Post by guru on Dec 9, 2019 14:13:40 GMT -5
I'm not an attorney so others might understand this better, but the temporary restraining order hearing for the civil case against Myron Gardner (naming Josh LeBlanc and Galen Alexander) was this morning. This is a separate civil case than the one that was heard back in November. The plaintiff, Gardner (with counsel), LeBlanc, and Alexander were all in attendance. Myron Gardner's attorney submitted an answer to the plaintiff's complaint which denied all allegations against him. The defendants then agreed to a consent stay away order (temporary restraining order) for one year and the case was closed. I wouldn't be surprised if the University investigation continues, but it looks like Gardner is done with the legal side of things at this point since he's not named in the other case. Has anyone said there is an ongoing university investigation or is that just an assumption that is being made? Considering the school was well aware of this back in September, is there a reason to think the investigation hasn't already happened and been completed? You seem supremely unbothered by the allegations and eager to get them swept under the rug, or convince others they're already there. I dunno - Maybe that's an unfair reading of your many posts that take this tack. To answer, it's clear no one here knows the status of any process on the school side regarding these allegations. Of course, there's no way Georgetown would confirm or deny any ongoing process regarding a student. But you're assuming in the same way you seem to think others are.
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Post by sleepy on Dec 9, 2019 14:20:42 GMT -5
Has anyone said there is an ongoing university investigation or is that just an assumption that is being made? Considering the school was well aware of this back in September, is there a reason to think the investigation hasn't already happened and been completed? You seem supremely unbothered by the allegations and eager to get them swept under the rug, or convince others they're already there. I dunno - Maybe that's an unfair reading of your many posts that take this tack. To answer, it's clear no one here knows the status of any process on the school side regarding these allegations. But you're assuming in the same way you seem to think others are. I'm not actually assuming. I'm genuinely wondering if I missed the news of an investigation as everyone keeps referencing it including announcers when there is no reason to believe there is an ongoing investigation, both legally and at the university. Everyone keeps saying things will be resolved/clearer/whatever after the investigation wraps up, but I don't think it is at all clear that there is an investigation going on or that it hasn't already wrapped up and think thats a pretty big issue that needs to be addressed. More likely the school and program will just proceed as normal until it becomes as after thought.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 9, 2019 14:24:09 GMT -5
Sorry, I should have made a caveat about whether the investigation has concluded already or not, so I guess it's speculation given that they won't officially make a statement about a specific investigation. However in the Wednesday night statement there was this quote that is present tense: "Georgetown University and Georgetown Athletics are working very closely with Coach Ewing and support his efforts to ensure the most careful attention to these issues and support for all of our students." And Casual Hoya made these tweets this morning. I didn't read those quotes or even tweets as confirming or even referencing an on-going internal investigation. Its possible of course but I would hope any investigation started back in mid-September not once the charges became public and that wouldn't take a school a whole semester to investigate allegations when it comes to the safety of their students. Especially the way that statement is worded. The University and the Athletic department are working with Ewing to support HIS efforts. If the University were investigating this, it would be the other way around. Its not really Ewing's job to go around being Elliot Stabler investigating crimes around campus. Isn’t it possible that the incidents in September were resolved but then the young women felt the players were harassing them afterwards so they asked for restraining orders? If so this would be new incidents for the school to investigate right? Seems to me that’s what’s happening here...
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Post by guru on Dec 9, 2019 14:25:53 GMT -5
You seem supremely unbothered by the allegations and eager to get them swept under the rug, or convince others they're already there. I dunno - Maybe that's an unfair reading of your many posts that take this tack. To answer, it's clear no one here knows the status of any process on the school side regarding these allegations. But you're assuming in the same way you seem to think others are. I'm not actually assuming. I'm genuinely wondering if I missed the news of an investigation as everyone keeps referencing it including announcers when there is no reason to believe there is an ongoing investigation, both legally and at the university. Everyone keeps saying things will be resolved/clearer/whatever after the investigation wraps up, but I don't think it is at all clear that there is an investigation going on or that it hasn't already wrapped up and think thats a pretty big issue that needs to be addressed. More likely the school and program will just proceed as normal until it becomes as after thought. Got it. Well, we've all followed this program long enough to know we'll never hear anything else about it - unless the players involved suddenly don't come out for warm-ups one night.
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Post by sleepy on Dec 9, 2019 14:33:25 GMT -5
I didn't read those quotes or even tweets as confirming or even referencing an on-going internal investigation. Its possible of course but I would hope any investigation started back in mid-September not once the charges became public and that wouldn't take a school a whole semester to investigate allegations when it comes to the safety of their students. Especially the way that statement is worded. The University and the Athletic department are working with Ewing to support HIS efforts. If the University were investigating this, it would be the other way around. Its not really Ewing's job to go around being Elliot Stabler investigating crimes around campus. Isn’t it possible that the incidents in September were resolved but then the young women felt the players were harassing them afterwards so they asked for restraining orders? If so this would be new incidents for the school to investigate right? Seems to me that’s what’s happening here... It could be, but why haven't they said there is an on-going investigation in place if that was the case? Even then, waiting over a month to investigate harrassment is pretty bad. These aren't incidents that should take months and months to resolve. That is really my issue. The school hasn't said either way if there is an investigation, if there isn't an investigation, if there was an investigation and its been closed. Everyone is waiting for something and there doesn't seem to be any reason to believe there is anything to wait for.
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Post by practice on Dec 9, 2019 14:35:37 GMT -5
You seem supremely unbothered by the allegations and eager to get them swept under the rug, or convince others they're already there. I dunno - Maybe that's an unfair reading of your many posts that take this tack. To answer, it's clear no one here knows the status of any process on the school side regarding these allegations. Georgetown is certainly not going to confirm or deny any "ongoing process" involving any students. But you're assuming in the same way you seem to think others are. As noted above, there's a very defined hearing process for possible Student Code of Conduct violations. It's possible that if a complaint was filed shortly after the alleged 9/16 incident that the university may have already had hearings -- and findings -- in this matter. In addition, due to FERPA, the university is not allowed to comment -- or potentially even confirm -- on this process. According to the school's website, it's possible that the entire disciplinary process could be completed in roughly 40 days. During the time the school would effectively institute a no-contact order between the complaintants and alleged. Both the 11/4 initial civil complaint and the start to the season 11/6 might be post-on campus disciplinary process ... would explain why the three players were never suspended/benched ....
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 9, 2019 14:46:50 GMT -5
Isn’t it possible that the incidents in September were resolved but then the young women felt the players were harassing them afterwards so they asked for restraining orders? If so this would be new incidents for the school to investigate right? Seems to me that’s what’s happening here... It could be, but why haven't they said there is an on-going investigation in place if that was the case? Even then, waiting over a month to investigate harrassment is pretty bad. These aren't incidents that should take months and months to resolve. That is really my issue. The school hasn't said either way if there is an investigation, if there isn't an investigation, if there was an investigation and its been closed. Everyone is waiting for something and there doesn't seem to be any reason to believe there is anything to wait for. Very good questions...
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Post by LCPolo18 on Dec 9, 2019 14:49:09 GMT -5
Isn’t it possible that the incidents in September were resolved but then the young women felt the players were harassing them afterwards so they asked for restraining orders? If so this would be new incidents for the school to investigate right? Seems to me that’s what’s happening here... It could be, but why haven't they said there is an on-going investigation in place if that was the case? Even then, waiting over a month to investigate harrassment is pretty bad. These aren't incidents that should take months and months to resolve. That is really my issue. The school hasn't said either way if there is an investigation, if there isn't an investigation, if there was an investigation and its been closed. Everyone is waiting for something and there doesn't seem to be any reason to believe there is anything to wait for. Regardless, I guess you missed the point of my post, which was to say that Gardner has denied the allegations in court and the civil case against him was closed.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Dec 9, 2019 14:56:58 GMT -5
It could be, but why haven't they said there is an on-going investigation in place if that was the case? Even then, waiting over a month to investigate harrassment is pretty bad. These aren't incidents that should take months and months to resolve. That is really my issue. The school hasn't said either way if there is an investigation, if there isn't an investigation, if there was an investigation and its been closed. Everyone is waiting for something and there doesn't seem to be any reason to believe there is anything to wait for. Very good questions... EtomicB and sleepy the school has stated multiple times that it can not comment on individual students.
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Post by sleepy on Dec 9, 2019 15:03:56 GMT -5
EtomicB and sleepy the school has stated multiple times that it can not comment on individual students. I'm not sure I actually believe that the limits of what they are and aren't allowed to discuss prevent them from providing more clarity on whether or not there is even an investigation. I'm not sure how other schools get around FERPA and are able to at least say they are going through an internal process or will be or have already completed it.
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Post by practice on Dec 9, 2019 15:15:20 GMT -5
Georgetown will not comment on student disciplinary records unless a student has been dismissed or suspended. For those of you without access to the internet: bulletin.georgetown.edu/regulations/records/2. Student Records Policy The Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974 (FERPA) is a federal law that states that a written institutional policy with respect to student records must be established and that a statement of adopted procedures covering the privacy rights of students be made available annually. The law provides that the institution will maintain the confidentiality of student education records, subject to the exceptions outlined below. Georgetown University accords to its students all rights under this law. No one outside the institution shall have access to students’ educational records nor will Georgetown disclose any information from these records without the written consent of students except: (1) to personnel within the institution, (2) to persons or organizations providing student financial aid, (3) to accrediting agencies carrying out their accreditation function, (4) to persons in compliance with a judicial order or a lawfully issued subpoena (provided that the University will first make a reasonable attempt to notify the student), (5) to organizations conducting studies to develop, validate, and administer predictive tests; to administer student aid programs; or to improve instruction, (6) to authorized representatives of federal or state government agencies for the purpose of audit and evaluation of government programs, (7) to persons in an emergency in order to protect the health or safety of students or other persons, and (8) to parents of a dependent student as defined in the Internal Revenue Code. 3. Disciplinary Records Disciplinary records of students shall be maintained by the University’s Office of Student Affairs until graduation of the student from the University, at which time they will be destroyed. An exception will be made to this policy, however, in those instances when a student has been suspended or dismissed from the University for disciplinary reasons. Suspension will be noted on the academic transcript as “Disciplinary Suspension.” Dismissal will be noted on the academic transcript as “Disciplinary Dismissal.” In cases of suspension or dismissal, a permanent record is kept in the Office of Student Affairs and in the academic record. The documents concerning the sanction are maintained to substantiate the notation. Inquiries about a student’s disciplinary record will only be released with the student’s signature of waiver.
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 9, 2019 16:33:42 GMT -5
FROM DC COURT ONLINE ACCESS
12/09/2019 Event Resulted: HEARING HELD The following event: Hearing on Temporary Restraining Order scheduled for 12/09/2019 at 10:00 am has been resulted as follows:
Both the Plaintiff and the defendants with counsel appeared for the scheduled hearing. Defendants agreed to a Consent Order Stay Away Order. All parties signed the order as did the court. Copy of the order was provided to the parties in open court. This order will resolve the entire case. All future dates are cancelled.
Result: Temporary Restraining Order Hearing Held Judge: MOTT, JOHN M Location: Judge In Chambers, Room 4103 MATTESON BECKIS (Plaintiff); MYRON GARDNER (Defendant); JOSH LABLANC (Defendant); GALEN ALEXANDER (Defendant); ; Judge JOHN M MOTT on behalf of Judge JOHN M CAMPBELL ----------------
One case down. not sure about the other one, but clearly this is a good sign for Gardner and Alexander since the complainant also agreed to this resoution.
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 9, 2019 16:35:49 GMT -5
You are correct Polo. Thanks for pointing that out. - I should have checked more carefully
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