Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Dec 8, 2019 5:31:13 GMT -5
The way the team is playing now compared to how it played with its former PG can't be helpful for the former PG transfer options. If I was a coach of a high major program, I would be very hesitant/cautious to bring him in after seeing his former teams massive improvement post his dismissal. I would have a bunch of questions. I would be worried about team chemistry issues? Is he difficult to coach? Will he'll buy into being a team guy for the possible 2 years he's gonna be in my program?
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 8, 2019 7:04:26 GMT -5
The way the team is playing now compared to how it played with its former PG can't be helpful for the former PG transfer options. If I was a coach of a high major program, I would very hesitant to bring him in after seeing his former teams massive improvement after his dismissal. I would be worried about team chemistry issues, is he difficult to coach, and if he'll buy into being a team guy for the possible 2 years he's gonna be in my program. Agree, but I imagine someone will just look at the stars and BE ROY award.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Dec 8, 2019 7:31:00 GMT -5
hoyarooter When I started the post, I never intended to let it get long. But then when it occurred to me that I should send it to the Post reporters covering the team I just let it go. But thanks.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Dec 8, 2019 8:00:15 GMT -5
Corpses and LeBlanc are both off their respective teams. Not sure I see where you’re going here. Seems to me the schools each handled these situations the exact same way wrt the primary alleged offenders against whom the most serious allegations were made How so? Corprew was suspended by TTU right away, LeBlanc transferred on his own... I think the point you’re missing is that the alleged incident(s) involving Leblanc and co. occurred in September. It’s very likely there was already and investigation and that occurred before games began being played. So there was no “suspension pending investigation”. It’s very likely that this is now a civil matter because, with 3 months having elapsed, no new evidence is going to be presented and it just doesn’t make sense that a criminal investigation would still be ongoing at this point. Had the alleged incident(s) occurred during the season, I think there’d be more of a precedent for suspending pending investigation.
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Post by IDenj on Dec 8, 2019 8:09:29 GMT -5
The way the team is playing now compared to how it played with its former PG can't be helpful for the former PG transfer options. If I was a coach of a high major program, I would very hesitant to bring him in after seeing his former teams massive improvement after his dismissal. I would be worried about team chemistry issues, is he difficult to coach, and if he'll buy into being a team guy for the possible 2 years he's gonna be in my program. I was wondering how it would look to a prospective school. Obviously he’s a talent and many schools would bring him in, as a coach would think they could be the one to develop him. Bet he ends up at Cal or somewhere close so family can see him.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 8, 2019 9:18:14 GMT -5
The way the team is playing now compared to how it played with its former PG can't be helpful for the former PG transfer options. If I was a coach of a high major program, I would very hesitant to bring him in after seeing his former teams massive improvement after his dismissal. I would be worried about team chemistry issues, is he difficult to coach, and if he'll buy into being a team guy for the possible 2 years he's gonna be in my program. Plus, Crazy Uncle With Twitter Account comes attached to him.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Dec 8, 2019 9:32:06 GMT -5
Just a note to pay attention to post by blueandgray in game thread. James has had a rough life and his extended family has taken him in. Developed an us against them. It’s all fair game to talk about the impact of James’ absence and the misdirection of his uncle. But do so with sympathy and remember that this player who we once rooted for deserves our good wishes.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 8, 2019 9:48:37 GMT -5
Just a note to pay attention to post by blueandgray in game thread. James has had a rough life and his extended family has taken him in. Developed an us against them. It’s all fair game to talk about the impact of James’ absence and the misdirection of his uncle. But do so with sympathy and remember that this player who we once rooted for deserves our good wishes. That is true. Hopefully, this is the tough love situation he needed to course correct.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 8, 2019 10:08:04 GMT -5
I wonder what happens in that the alternate reality in which James and/or Josh goes back to Ewing, gives a sincere mea culpa and asks if there is any way he can regain his coaches’ and teammates’ trust.
Regardless of what James, Josh, or Terrance seem to think, this is a program that is going someplace great. Why not miss just a week instead of an entire year?
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 8, 2019 10:11:18 GMT -5
Just a note to pay attention to post by blueandgray in game thread. James has had a rough life and his extended family has taken him in. Developed an us against them. It’s all fair game to talk about the impact of James’ absence and the misdirection of his uncle. But do so with sympathy and remember that this player who we once rooted for deserves our good wishes. Thanks...and agreed. James is a good kid....but was a challenge to mold. Think Iverson with a fraction of the talent. Iverson was who he was and meant well but lived by his own rules.
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Post by swhoya on Dec 8, 2019 10:22:53 GMT -5
Yeah it’s time to move on and let the kid be. It’s a shame that his uncle really poisoned the well of any good Will most of us had to him (aside from complaints about what the university did), but he can’t control his uncle.
We are gonna lose games this season and two games is too small a sample to tell much, but it’s exciting to see how these kids have reacted. Time to focus on who’s with us instead of who left (and uncles that are against us).
Best of luck to James.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Dec 8, 2019 10:37:44 GMT -5
The way the team is playing now compared to how it played with its former PG can't be helpful for the former PG transfer options. If I was a coach of a high major program, I would very hesitant to bring him in after seeing his former teams massive improvement after his dismissal. I would be worried about team chemistry issues, is he difficult to coach, and if he'll buy into being a team guy for the possible 2 years he's gonna be in my program. Agree, but I imagine someone will just look at the stars and BE ROY award. I'm sure they will....Good luck to them. I think Akinjo is a good kid. Probably has trust issues outside of his family which makes it hard for him to buy in. His uncle is an adult and should no better. He obviously has a ton of sway in Ackinjo's life and isn't doing him any long term good. I think a well established coach can afford to take the chance. For a coach on the hot seat, bringing him in is way too risky of a move. I'm curious to see who's the gambling man...
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 8, 2019 10:43:10 GMT -5
For a coach on the hot seat, bringing him in is way too risky of a move. I'm curious to see who's the gambling man... Not sure I agree with that. A coach on the hot seat could be desperate and might try anything to give his team a boost and try to save his job. Well, we shall see how this plays out. While personally, I am not shocked at an Akinjo transfer, I AM quite surprised he did it mid-season. Hey, Kenny Brunner left mid-Freshman season. Who took him in? Tarkanian. James will find a home. I hope for his sake he finds everything else he's looking for.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Dec 8, 2019 11:23:32 GMT -5
The way the team is playing now compared to how it played with its former PG can't be helpful for the former PG transfer options. If I was a coach of a high major program, I would very hesitant to bring him in after seeing his former teams massive improvement after his dismissal. I would be worried about team chemistry issues, is he difficult to coach, and if he'll buy into being a team guy for the possible 2 years he's gonna be in my program. I was wondering how it would look to a prospective school. Obviously he’s a talent and many schools would bring him in, as a coach would think they could be the one to develop him. Bet he ends up at Cal or somewhere close so family can see him. Good luck to whoever the new coach will be. I really don't think it's solely the former PG's fault. He's barely an adult and has obvious trust issues. Its the so called adults around him who don't know that they are adults giving him terrible advice. That's who the next coach has to be worried about. I don't know what high major coach will give the former PG the freedom that Coach Ewing did? I guess we will see sometime next year...
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Post by HamptonHoya on Dec 8, 2019 11:59:25 GMT -5
If this has been speculated before, I apologize.
Ever since the TRO came to light, for the most part, it was assumed that played a role in the transfer requests of one, if not both of the former Hoyas. What if it had nothing to do with either. What if it was simply, "I have been preaching team ball the entire year and you aren't listening. We just lost to UNCG and shouldn't have. Allen you will be starting next game". The rest is the result of that, for at least one.
JA's Uncle said the truth would come out. But he assumed, like 95% of the basketball public, the Hoyas would crumble and would come crawling back. If he is willing to share the truth, we are all listening. Perhaps he is waiting for the tailspin to occur and will let us hear all about it.
Coach has always had an us against the world mentality and always assumed he had a great relationship with JA. It didn't appear Coach was harder on JA than any other player. If anything, from the outside looking in, Coach rode Pickett and McClung pretty hard but maybe they could take it constructively.
Random thoughts on a Sunday morning as I await basketball on Saturday.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 8, 2019 12:29:41 GMT -5
How so? Corprew was suspended by TTU right away, LeBlanc transferred on his own... I think the point you’re missing is that the alleged incident(s) involving Leblanc and co. occurred in September. It’s very likely there was already and investigation and that occurred before games began being played. So there was no “suspension pending investigation”. It’s very likely that this is now a civil matter because, with 3 months having elapsed, no new evidence is going to be presented and it just doesn’t make sense that a criminal investigation would still be ongoing at this point. Had the alleged incident(s) occurred during the season, I think there’d be more of a precedent for suspending pending investigation. Suspensions can happen in the off-season in fact TTU suspended Corprew “pending investigation” during the off-season... Aren’t you skipping over the fact that there have been restraining orders issued in the past few weeks so while the alleged activity that occurred in September may have been investigated it seems likely that something else occurred if accusers are asking for restraining orders in October or November... Didn’t the announcer state that the “investigations” were ongoing during the game last night? I would assume that the school is doing its own due process via a student code of conduct process...
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Post by practice on Dec 8, 2019 12:46:22 GMT -5
It looks like if things move quickly that the entire on campus adjudication process - culminating in a written letter - can take a minimum of 42 days. That means that this issue - if an on campus complaint was made around 9/16 - could have easily been resolved before the season. Per my other post, it is very possible that this was a decided issue from the university and teams perspective prior to a dc police report and civil suit and tro. This would explain why the school has been unwilling to talk in any level of detail about the allegations.
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Post by practice on Dec 8, 2019 12:47:44 GMT -5
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Dec 8, 2019 13:24:08 GMT -5
I think the point you’re missing is that the alleged incident(s) involving Leblanc and co. occurred in September. It’s very likely there was already and investigation and that occurred before games began being played. So there was no “suspension pending investigation”. It’s very likely that this is now a civil matter because, with 3 months having elapsed, no new evidence is going to be presented and it just doesn’t make sense that a criminal investigation would still be ongoing at this point. Had the alleged incident(s) occurred during the season, I think there’d be more of a precedent for suspending pending investigation. Suspensions can happen in the off-season in fact TTU suspended Corprew “pending investigation” during the off-season... Aren’t you skipping over the fact that there have been restraining orders issued in the past few weeks so while the alleged activity that occurred in September may have been investigated it seems likely that something else occurred if accusers are asking for restraining orders in October or November... Didn’t the announcer state that the “investigations” were ongoing during the game last night? I would assume that the school is doing its own due process via a student code of conduct process... I asked the question in another thread, if the alleged incidents occurred on 9/9 and 9/16, why wasn’t it until 11/4 that formal police reports were filed with MPD? What occurred in that 1.5 months? And why did it take so long for the accuser to go to police? Seems odd to me.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 8, 2019 13:50:26 GMT -5
The accusers college experience will never be the same. It takes a lot to come forward.
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