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Post by SSHoya on Dec 3, 2019 8:38:44 GMT -5
Ever since the JT2 days, we have given inner city kids the opportunity to play ball for GU. Hard to tell when recruiting a basketball player if theft or assault will occur. These types of events typically involve groups of players. Teenagers do stupid things in groups. Has JT2 attended any games this season? The ones I’ve been at he has been noticeably absent, which I wondered about. He lobbied to bring in Ewing. As much as I appreciate what the Thompson family and Patrick have done for the school, their success was long ago. This may be an opportune time to move forward without them. Neither he nor Lori Michel have been at any of the games in their baseline seats. Can't say whether in a suite or not. |
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 3, 2019 8:42:32 GMT -5
I honestly think most "Sky is falling/I'm embarrassed to root for this program/fire Ewing" takes are waaay too over the top. The due process takes are right on the money. Who on this board has never had a knucklehead family member or few? Who has never known someone to be falsely accused? Who has never know charges to be exaggerated where they throw many charges out there and only one sticks? In no way am I trying to lessen the seriousness of these accusations, but when you take emotion out of it, common sense can be exercised. And what makes sense is to allow due process to play out. These are children who have obviously gotten themselves in a terrible situation that has jeopardized their futures. But, they are still allowed due process by law and maybe the coach/administration recognized that....or made their decisions based on info we arent privy to. 1) They are not children 2) They will get the due process they are entitled to 3) They are not entitled to play basketball at Georgetown 4) The sensible thing to do would have been a suspension pending further investigation 5) That #4 didn't happen (other than one game for one guy) suggests to me that somethig has changed at GU and not for the better. 6) This all stinks |
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 3, 2019 8:46:31 GMT -5
I don’t get what changed from last week to yesterday. Doesn’t seem like anything happened on the legal front, so other than a frustrating loss, why did the departures come Monday and not after MSG? Has we won Saturday are these guys still on the team? Did the players pull the cord here before Ewing could? Seems like it since Alexander and Gardner weren’t part of this wave. |
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Post by chuckinhoya on Dec 3, 2019 8:46:52 GMT -5
I honestly think most "Sky is falling/I'm embarrassed to root for this program/fire Ewing" takes are waaay too over the top. The due process takes are right on the money. Who on this board has never had a knucklehead family member or few? Who has never known someone to be falsely accused? Who has never know charges to be exaggerated where they throw many charges out there and only one sticks? In no way am I trying to lessen the seriousness of these accusations, but when you take emotion out of it, common sense can be exercised. And what makes sense is to allow due process to play out. These are children who have obviously gotten themselves in a terrible situation that has jeopardized their futures. But, they are still allowed due process by law and maybe the coach/administration recognized that....or made their decisions based on info we arent privy to. 1) They are not chidden 2) They will get the due process they are entitled to 3) They are not entitled to play basketball at Georgetown 4) The sensible thing to do would have been a suspension pending further investigation 5) That #4 didn't happen (other than one game for one guy) suggests to me that somethig has changed at GU and not for the better. 6) This all stinks |
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Post by chuckinhoya on Dec 3, 2019 8:53:51 GMT -5
Ok, they are not children but there are reasons we cant say certain things/criticims we say about NBA players or grown men on this board. They are entitled to play ball at Gtown but anyone can make any accusation about any person at any time. Does that mean everyone should get the penalties that come with being guilty over every accusation? What is sensible to some, is not sensible to all. Im just saying that its possible that the wait and see approach may be best. Have U seen Gardners response? The "I have never done any of those things in my life?" There is a student whose name has been dragged through the mud for several pages of this board already, and he may not have been involved.....but who knows?
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Post by chuckinhoya on Dec 3, 2019 8:54:24 GMT -5
I meant arent entitled
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Post by prhoya on Dec 3, 2019 8:54:33 GMT -5
Neither he nor Lori Michel have been at any of the games in their baseline seats. Can't say whether in a suite or not. Maybe JT2 and his trusty companion are just like all the other missing fans not going to the games until the team, Pat and staff included, can show that they get up for Mount St. Mary’s and the like not named Texas, Duke or Syracuse. What a disappointment it has been that Pat has not been able to get his players, his staff and himself to get up for every game. I thought that would be one of the main differences between JT3 and Pat. I stand corrected. |
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 3, 2019 8:57:02 GMT -5
Can people who aren't attorneys stop opining on TROs when they've never been involved in one in their lives and very clearly don't understand them, criminal complaints, or criminal charges? NOT opining on any of the merits of these matters...just chiming in as a trial lawyer who has handled TROs and similar proceedings- it would be rare that a TRO would not be granted in this type of case. By no means is it a sign of criminal guilt or even civil culpability. Judges in these matters often will side on the end of protecting the complaining party at this initial stage of the proceedings. These developments certainly are bad, but it would seem that no one on this board has anywhere close to the whole story at this point. I would caution fans to reserve judgment and continue to support the team and the school. I will continue to wear my Hoya gear without hesitation and with pride. But, to each his own. |
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Post by Elvado on Dec 3, 2019 9:03:52 GMT -5
Ok, they are not children but there are reasons we cant say certain things/criticims we say about NBA players or grown men on this board. They are entitled to play ball at Gtown but anyone can make any accusation about any person at any time. Does that mean everyone should get the penalties that come with being guilty over every accusation? What is sensible to some, is not sensible to all. Im just saying that its possible that the wait and see approach may be best. Have U seen Gardners response? The "I have never done any of those things in my life?" There is a student whose name has been dragged through the mud for several pages of this board already, and he may not have been involved.....but who knows? I am all for waiting until the facts are known to draw any conclusions. However, attending and playing basketball at Georgetown University are not things to which one is entitled. |
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Post by royski on Dec 3, 2019 9:04:15 GMT -5
Can people who aren't attorneys stop opining on TROs when they've never been involved in one in their lives and very clearly don't understand them, criminal complaints, or criminal charges? NOT opining on any of the merits of these matters...just chiming in as a trial lawyer who has handled TROs and similar proceedings- it would be rare that a TRO would not be granted in this type of case. By no means is it a sign of criminal guilt or even civil culpability. Judges in these matters often will side on the end of protecting the complaining party at this initial stage of the proceedings. These developments certainly are bad, but it would seem that no one on this board has anywhere close to the whole story at this point. I would caution fans to reserve judgment and continue to support the team and the school. I will continue to wear my Hoya gear without hesitation and with pride. But, to each his own. While I agree with this on the merits of guilt and innocence, the docket clearly indicates that at least LeBlanc and Alexander were served with process in at least one of these matters (there are two of these complaints) on November 5, 2019. After which, they both continued to play basketball for Georgetown. Georgetown owes an explanation for why that decision was made. |
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Post by vv83 on Dec 3, 2019 9:09:43 GMT -5
Has JT2 attended any games this season? The ones I’ve been at he has been noticeably absent, which I wondered about. He lobbied to bring in Ewing. As much as I appreciate what the Thompson family and Patrick have done for the school, their success was long ago. This may be an opportune time to move forward without them. Neither he nor Lori Michel have been at any of the games in their baseline seats. Can't say whether in a suite or not. Good point - this has been pretty noticeable. I assumed that Thompson's health/mobility might have made it difficult for him to sit down courtside, or perhaps even attend games. But given the situation - it seems pretty possible that he wanted no part of watching this team play or being a visible symbol of the program on game days. |
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 3, 2019 9:09:51 GMT -5
NOT opining on any of the merits of these matters...just chiming in as a trial lawyer who has handled TROs and similar proceedings- it would be rare that a TRO would not be granted in this type of case. By no means is it a sign of criminal guilt or even civil culpability. Judges in these matters often will side on the end of protecting the complaining party at this initial stage of the proceedings. These developments certainly are bad, but it would seem that no one on this board has anywhere close to the whole story at this point. I would caution fans to reserve judgment and continue to support the team and the school. I will continue to wear my Hoya gear without hesitation and with pride. But, to each his own. While I agree with this on the merits of guilt and innocence, the docket clearly indicates that at least LeBlanc and Alexander were served with process in at least one of these matters (there are two of these complaints) on November 5, 2019. After which, they both continued to play basketball for Georgetown. Georgetown owes an explanation for why that decision was made. So is your assumption that being involved in a civil matter of this nature is automatic grounds for suspension? Are you also assuming that GU has done no internal investigation on its end? There are just a lot of things we do not know at this point, so I will be slow to jump to conclusions. |
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Post by royski on Dec 3, 2019 9:14:29 GMT -5
While I agree with this on the merits of guilt and innocence, the docket clearly indicates that at least LeBlanc and Alexander were served with process in at least one of these matters (there are two of these complaints) on November 5, 2019. After which, they both continued to play basketball for Georgetown. Georgetown owes an explanation for why that decision was made. So is your assumption that being involved in a civil matter of this nature is automatic grounds for suspension? Are you also assuming that GU has done no internal investigation on its end? There are just a lot of things we do not know at this point, so I will be slow to jump to conclusions. Yes, I think having complaints filed against you by multiple women alleging serious crimes like sexual harassment, burglary, assault, and battery absolutely warrants an immediate suspension by the university pending further investigation. I don't even think it's a close call. |
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 3, 2019 9:16:48 GMT -5
Neither he nor Lori Michel have been at any of the games in their baseline seats. Can't say whether in a suite or not. Good point - this has been pretty noticeable. I assumed that Thompson's health/mobility might have made it difficult for him to sit down courtside, or perhaps even attend games. But given the situation - it seems pretty possible that he wanted no part of watching this team play or being a visible symbol of the program on game days. I also assumed that Ms. Michel's health may have been an issue as well. |
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Post by tgo on Dec 3, 2019 9:17:22 GMT -5
Nothing like this ever happened before we had a Syracuse guy on the bench.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 3, 2019 9:17:47 GMT -5
So is your assumption that being involved in a civil matter of this nature is automatic grounds for suspension? Are you also assuming that GU has done no internal investigation on its end? There are just a lot of things we do not know at this point, so I will be slow to jump to conclusions. Yes, I think having complaints filed against you by multiple women alleging serious crimes like sexual harassment, burglary, assault, and battery absolutely warrants an immediate suspension by the university pending further investigation. I don't even think it's a close call. How do we know what has or has not happened in terms of investigation by the school? I disagree with the concept of immediate suspension based on an untoward accusation. Each case must be evaluated carefully on its merits. |
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Post by trillesthoya on Dec 3, 2019 9:20:25 GMT -5
Yes, I think having complaints filed against you by multiple women alleging serious crimes like sexual harassment, burglary, assault, and battery absolutely warrants an immediate suspension by the university pending further investigation. I don't even think it's a close call. How do we know what has or has not happened in terms of investigation by the school? I disagree with the concept of immediate suspension based on an untoward accusation. Each case must be evaluated carefully on its merits. Then why suspend him game one to begin with? Or put him on a minutes restriction? If the logic is let them play innocent till proven guilty, then they should have been playing the whole time. |
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Post by capcenterhoya on Dec 3, 2019 9:21:49 GMT -5
Given that Gardner and Alexander are still on the roster and not suspended, I would assume the university/police have either cleared them of any wrongdoing or found the allegations to be unsubstantiated. Meanwhile, their reputations will never recover now that this is national news. The incidents happened months ago. To think that the university and Ewing have been engaged in a months long coverup is quite a leap. I think we all should reserve judgement until more facts emerge.
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Post by x-centercourt400s on Dec 3, 2019 9:21:59 GMT -5
NOT opining on any of the merits of these matters...just chiming in as a trial lawyer who has handled TROs and similar proceedings- it would be rare that a TRO would not be granted in this type of case. By no means is it a sign of criminal guilt or even civil culpability. Judges in these matters often will side on the end of protecting the complaining party at this initial stage of the proceedings. These developments certainly are bad, but it would seem that no one on this board has anywhere close to the whole story at this point. I would caution fans to reserve judgment and continue to support the team and the school. I will continue to wear my Hoya gear without hesitation and with pride. But, to each his own. While I agree with this on the merits of guilt and innocence, the docket clearly indicates that at least LeBlanc and Alexander were served with process in at least one of these matters (there are two of these complaints) on November 5, 2019. After which, they both continued to play basketball for Georgetown. Georgetown owes an explanation for why that decision was made. Is it possible that the despite the fact that the players were served on 11/5 the information did not get to the coaching staff and administration until last night? Do the courts have any kind of requirement to notify anyone else? University? Parents? Since the players involved are adults who else do you notify? It seems possible that they got the notifications then successfully kept it quiet for a while. I know nothing of court proceedings, just guessing. |
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 3, 2019 9:23:07 GMT -5
How do we know what has or has not happened in terms of investigation by the school? I disagree with the concept of immediate suspension based on an untoward accusation. Each case must be evaluated carefully on its merits. Then why suspend him game one to begin with? Or put him on a minutes restriction? If the logic is let them play innocent till proven guilty, then they should have been playing the whole time. That assumes that any of those things were connected- which we do not know. There are myriad possibilities- my preference is not to guess, see what plays out, and make my peace with likely never knowing many or most of the pertinent details. |
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