TC
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Post by TC on Dec 2, 2020 23:15:46 GMT -5
I trust Daytona. Is he above error? No. Is his source above error? No. What benefit would there be under any circumstance for Ewing to say Sibley was a coach’s ‘ decision DNP vs. injured? ...especially when saying DNP will lead to all sorts of internet conjecture about his highest ranked recruit? It’s all downside with no upside. I think someone mixed things up somewhere. If Sibley is hurt, it is ABSURD that Patrick is not saying so, I'm one of the more critical posters of Patrick Ewing, but it's absurd that anyone is taking what daytona posted for real and not believing what Ewing said two days ago.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 3, 2020 6:06:45 GMT -5
Yes, don't believe your ears and what the Head Coach actually said because two days later someone thought of a better answer, or the poster is just confused and doesn't know the difference between Bile and Sibley. I have no idea, and I was firmly in the camp that Sibley might just not be a better player than Clark or Holloway as of now. But would you really be that shocked if for some reason the program was not transparent about a players status based on some perceived strategic advantage? The same program that won't even let us see lay up lines or warm-ups in an open practice because it might give our opponents too much insight into our team? That has for decades tried to avoid being transparent if at all possible? I would have thought that you of all people, with your constant cynicism, could appreciate that obfuscation might be a possibility. Daytona isn't some random fly-by poster, he's a national basketball reporter with a respected outlet, so he's not pulling the injury story out of his ass. Is it possible that he has Sibley and Bile confused, or that his source had the two players' situations mixed up? Sure. But he's not making it up. I hope I'm not misinterpreting your post but if Coach Ewing thought he really needed "a perceived strategic advantage" against Navy, we're in bigger doo doo than I thought. Ewing couldn't possibly think for a second that Navy was game planning how to handle Sibley, a guy who hadn't played one college game yet (and is no Zion Williamson), could he? I'm with you. Sibley hasn't earned PT yet. Don't know what to make of daytona's report.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Dec 3, 2020 13:47:39 GMT -5
While I've been in the camp that thought Sibley might actually just be behind Clark and Holloway on the depth chart, Daytona is a pro and wouldn't throw that out there unless it was sourced. Given the way things work at this school we may never know the full truth, but at a minimum somebody trustworthy is giving him the foot injury explanation. And yes I'm aware that it does not align to what Coach told Hoyas247. By the way daytonahoya31, have enjoyed your recent hits on Chad Ford's podcast. Thanks my guy!!!! Much much more to come...I'm actually recording with him this week. We have a contract together now
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Dec 3, 2020 15:03:00 GMT -5
Maybe it's one of JT's old "library injuries" that clear up when your grades improve.
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 4, 2020 20:42:07 GMT -5
Obviously, I'm rooting for the guy. Just doesn't seem to be much stability to the program - I hope all your positive takes on it are correct. We are 4 years into this, however, and the long-awaited rebuild remains on very shaky ground. Do you expect stability after firing a coach of 13 years and entering the biggest rebuilding phase in this programs history? Plus, again, we’re the once’s creating all of this negative energy and inertia within the program. If the fans constantly harp on this type of stuff it’ll never go away. Our fan base lacks stability. Adversity is part of the job, that’s what makes sports special. It would be helpful if folks would just be patient to see what happens rather than call that the sky is falling at the beginning of every single week. Until we actually emerging from our rebuilding phase, we’re still in our rebuilding phase. Some might think it’s taking to long, and I’d argue those people may not have realistic expectations or fully understand the college game. The reason why our 2021 class is so strong is because this is the first class the staff has been able to be in contact with for most of their hs careers. Building relationships, and building something great in a sustainable way, takes time. Regardless, it would also help to take a step back and see things in context. Ewing has us ahead of schedule until the transfers of last year. Though people want to lazily lump them in with the Sodoms and Walkers of the world, they were entirely different situations. Last year was an anomaly the likes of which I’ve never seen in the college basketball world, and more than anything had to do with the resistance of the AD department in dealing with disciplinary issues (do the folks who complain about Ewing’s short leash ever think about why he has one? Or do they realize our athletic department doesn’t support the program in the same way the ADs at a Nova, UVA, or Duke do?). Let’s see how the games play out this year before we make any determination about the true state of the program. How fortunate for all of us that the institution that experienced this anomaly was our beloved Hoyas.
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paranoia2
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Post by paranoia2 on Dec 4, 2020 23:28:13 GMT -5
In the world of Hoya information or lack there of I know one source I will not trust....whoever said Tim was blasting & Chudier Bile was killing it during scrimmages.....
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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 4, 2020 23:45:52 GMT -5
In the world of Hoya information or lack there of I know one source I will not trust....whoever said Tim was blasting & Chudier Bile was killing it during scrimmages..... Coming from the guy in the running for worst post of the year with his Sussudio/chudier song remix. Now that was hilarious...
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Post by trillesthoya on Dec 4, 2020 23:53:44 GMT -5
In the world of Hoya information or lack there of I know one source I will not trust....whoever said Tim was blasting & Chudier Bile was killing it during scrimmages..... I don’t think I was someone saying this, but you realize how someone looks in practice can be very different from how they end up playing in game right? If how a player looked in practice determined what they ended up playing like in games Trey Mourning would be in the league. People could be right that Tim was impressing in practice and Chudier looked like one of our better players despite their lackluster performance so far.
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hoyainla
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 5, 2020 1:20:18 GMT -5
Is anyone truly confident that Ewing and the coaches are a good enough judge of talent in practice to know who should be playing. There is plenty of evidence that whomever is making the personnel decisions doesn’t.. There is a lot of blind trust here and in general that great players should be great talent evaluators but most of the time they aren’t, MJ Magic Isiah etc.
Our best transfers have been the local players that reached out to the program to play closer to home to finish their careers. The ones that we have sought out have been duds outside of Yurt who was already all ACC player. You can make the argument you can miss on high school players because there is less tape. You can’t use that excuse for guys that have played D1 multiple years.
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paranoia2
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Post by paranoia2 on Dec 5, 2020 5:57:31 GMT -5
In the world of Hoya information or lack there of I know one source I will not trust....whoever said Tim was blasting & Chudier Bile was killing it during scrimmages..... Coming from the guy in the running for worst post of the year with his Sussudio/chudier song remix. Now that was hilarious... I knew I should have went with the MR. MISTER “KIRIAE” song parody.....Phil Collins is so derivative...and without hope.
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Post by Elvado on Dec 5, 2020 6:40:47 GMT -5
Coming from the guy in the running for worst post of the year with his Sussudio/chudier song remix. Now that was hilarious... I knew I should have went with the MR. MISTER “KIRIAE” song parody.....Phil Collins is so derivative...and without hope. Definitely without the hope...
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paranoia2
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Post by paranoia2 on Dec 5, 2020 8:57:53 GMT -5
These Hoya Talk board members are just too smart & all knowing about Georgetown basketball.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Dec 5, 2020 9:02:06 GMT -5
In the world of Hoya information or lack there of I know one source I will not trust....whoever said Tim was blasting & Chudier Bile was killing it during scrimmages..... Always an issue with intrasquad scrimmage reports. Is someone killing it legitimately or just because it is against his own team’s suspect defense. hm
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Dec 5, 2020 9:10:20 GMT -5
Is anyone truly confident that Ewing and the coaches are a good enough judge of talent in practice to know who should be playing. There is plenty of evidence that whomever is making the personnel decisions doesn’t.. There is a lot of blind trust here and in general that great players should be great talent evaluators but most of the time they aren’t, MJ Magic Isiah etc. Our best transfers have been the local players that reached out to the program to play closer to home to finish their careers. The ones that we have sought out have been duds outside of Yurt who was already all ACC player. You can make the argument you can miss on high school players because there is less tape. You can’t use that excuse for guys that have played D1 multiple years. Yes. Ewing's and staff's problem has been the evaluation at the high school level projecting on whether the kid is a Big East caliber player, a fit for the basketball program, and a fit for off-campus conduct. That has been their biggest problem and has left us where we are today. However, they have done a solid job with graduate transfers (Omer, Allen, Malinowski) In practice, once the kid is on campus and on the roster, Ewing plays the best players accordingly. Can't recall an instance under Ewing where a kid is rotting on the bench for non-injuries and then down the line comes into the game and lights it up. Or transfers to another program and lights up after rotting on the bench at G-town.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 5, 2020 9:19:06 GMT -5
Is anyone truly confident that Ewing and the coaches are a good enough judge of talent in practice to know who should be playing. There is plenty of evidence that whomever is making the personnel decisions doesn’t.. There is a lot of blind trust here and in general that great players should be great talent evaluators but most of the time they aren’t, MJ Magic Isiah etc. Our best transfers have been the local players that reached out to the program to play closer to home to finish their careers. The ones that we have sought out have been duds outside of Yurt who was already all ACC player. You can make the argument you can miss on high school players because there is less tape. You can’t use that excuse for guys that have played D1 multiple years. Yes. Ewing's and staff's problem has been the evaluation at the high school level projecting on whether the kid is a Big East caliber player, a fit for the basketball program, and a fit for off-campus conduct. That has been their biggest problem and has left us where we are today. That seems like quite a big problem.
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Post by hoyadimes on Dec 5, 2020 10:40:09 GMT -5
Yes. Ewing's and staff's problem has been the evaluation at the high school level projecting on whether the kid is a Big East caliber player, a fit for the basketball program, and a fit for off-campus conduct. That has been their biggest problem and has left us where we are today. That seems like quite a big problem.
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Post by hoyadimes on Dec 5, 2020 10:41:58 GMT -5
Uhhhhhhh, Mac, LeBlanc, Akinjo, and Gardner would have all been fine in the Big East this year so I wouldn't say that Ewing hasn't brought in kids that are Big East caliber....they just didn't stick.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 5, 2020 10:47:13 GMT -5
Uhhhhhhh, Mac, LeBlanc, Akinjo, and Gardner would have all been fine in the Big East this year so I wouldn't say that Ewing hasn't brought in kids that are Big East caliber....they just didn't stick. Perhaps it’s a problem that the guys who do stick are the bad players?
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Post by the_way on Dec 5, 2020 11:22:06 GMT -5
Uhhhhhhh, Mac, LeBlanc, Akinjo, and Gardner would have all been fine in the Big East this year so I wouldn't say that Ewing hasn't brought in kids that are Big East caliber....they just didn't stick. Exactly. They didn't stick and not due to leaving for the NBA. That is part of recruiting and the evaluation phase too. The only guys that have stuck for Ewing's past 3 recruiting classes from high school are Q, Wilson, Tim, Blair, and Pickett. LeBlanc, Akinjo, Carter, Mac recruiting class is all gone. One entire recruiting class wiped out.
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Post by hoyadimes on Dec 5, 2020 13:19:22 GMT -5
My apologies. I got stuck on the "big east caliber" portion of the statement.
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