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Post by SSHoya on Mar 21, 2020 8:36:24 GMT -5
I guess this is the best place to put this offseason question. Would you start a home and home with a team like Dayton, playing the first game at their place? Or would you look for a better opponent or what not? Id play them in a heartbeat. Great program, great fans, great series for both sides. Sadly, we don't meet the Flyers' qualification - a perennial "at large" opponent. Right now. we are not that.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 21, 2020 9:56:27 GMT -5
Right now we are a doormat. Play in a solid league and have a rich history, but firmly in the bottom quartile of the Big East.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 21, 2020 10:26:28 GMT -5
I guess this is the best place to put this offseason question. Would you start a home and home with a team like Dayton, playing the first game at their place? Or would you look for a better opponent or what not? Ewing is 49-46 after three seasons and welcoming as many as seven newcomers next season--he's not looking to start the season 49-47. More likely, expect the Radfords, Mt. St. Mary's, and MEAC teams to pump up the December record.
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Post by mdtd on Mar 21, 2020 16:14:24 GMT -5
I guess this is the best place to put this offseason question. Would you start a home and home with a team like Dayton, playing the first game at their place? Or would you look for a better opponent or what not? Id play them in a heartbeat. Great program, great fans, great series for both sides. This is generally my take. If we can get a few very solid teams on our schedule, take it. Playing a few games against lower tier programs is good to understand your team in a game like setting and test lineups out, but testing the guys and putting them against talent, like Dayton has and will have, is always a good thing. Losing this game may help more than beating a lower tiered team for the fifth time at this point.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 22, 2020 12:08:12 GMT -5
Playing UCONN at home will do wonders for our attendance numbers. With UCONN now back in the fold I say drop Syracuse annual home and home games. Really, they need us more than we need them.
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Post by mdtd on Mar 22, 2020 12:22:33 GMT -5
Playing UCONN at home will do wonders for our attendance numbers. With UCONN now back in the fold I say drop Syracuse annual home and home games. Really, they need us more than we need them. I completely disagree with this. Play both. We should've been playing UCONN and Georgetown should ALWAYS play Syracuse. Absolutely don't drop that series.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 22, 2020 12:49:33 GMT -5
Don’t drop Syracuse. It’s a game folks come out for.
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Post by FLHoya on Mar 22, 2020 16:35:04 GMT -5
Playing UCONN at home will do wonders for our attendance numbers. During the JTIII era of the "classic" Big East (04-05 through 12-13), UCONN was our 3rd highest drawing Big East opponent at home out of 15 other members, at 16,198 per game. On reputation and history alone, they'll probably be #2 behind Nova or even #1 over the long term in the new Big East. With UCONN now back in the fold I say drop Syracuse annual home and home games. Really, they need us more than we need them. Uhhhhhhhh...no. During that classic Big East period above, Syracuse was the #1 draw and it wasn't even close. The Cuse games averaged 19,894 during that period, about 3,600 more than the #2 team (Pitt). There have been nine Georgetown-Cuse games in DC since the beginning of the JTIII era. Six of them were the best-attended games of their season. Two were close second-place behind a Duke game. And the last was a Wednesday night game in 2009 that was second-place, 170 fans behind a Saturday Pitt game where Georgetown was trying to clinch--kid you not--a full two-calendar-year-long home winning streak. Since the rivalry continued as a non-conference deal, the Georgetown-Cuse game had the highest attendance of the season all three times, by somewhere in the 2,000-3,500 range. Those three games would be the 1st, 3rd, and 5th highest attendance of the 70 Big East home games in DC since realignment. I understand the argument in scheduling for trying to balance what prepares a team for conference play or accounts for the youth on the roster. Not a fan of leaning in that direction, but I get it. But from a fan interest POV--the other thing you should balance for in scheduling--Cuse is as indispensable a non-con opponent as there is, at least until Cap One gets on the NCAA Tourney rotation again and Coach K comes calling.
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Post by rhw485 on Mar 23, 2020 6:47:48 GMT -5
I guess this is the best place to put this offseason question. Would you start a home and home with a team like Dayton, playing the first game at their place? Or would you look for a better opponent or what not? Ewing is 49-46 after three seasons and welcoming as many as seven newcomers next season--he's not looking to start the season 49-47. More likely, expect the Radfords, Mt. St. Mary's, and MEAC teams to pump up the December record. This really gets at a huge question for Ewing. Does he continue or at least maintain his improvement with the schedule or does he take us back towards year 1? If he puts together a year 1 schedule then that tells you all you need to know about his expectations for next years squad. Personally I feel we should be pumping up the schedule either way. Gives you a chance at a bid if you surprise to the upside. I'm just not sure our coach feels the same way.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 23, 2020 7:12:04 GMT -5
If we play too tough a schedule next season, we could be out of the conversation before the BE even starts.
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Post by HoyaDr on Mar 23, 2020 7:15:57 GMT -5
Playing UCONN at home will do wonders for our attendance numbers. With UCONN now back in the fold I say drop Syracuse annual home and home games. Really, they need us more than we need them. As usual this guy doesn't know what he's talking about, completely clueless fan. Game attendance is extraordinarily higher for Syracuse games, and they are usually a solid squad so they would boost our NET ranking. Why remove that because we will be playing another old rival? We play UConn during BE season, we would play Syracuse during the preseason. Go back to kindergarten, you need to learn more about basic mathematics.
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Post by bigelephant on Mar 23, 2020 8:45:15 GMT -5
Playing UCONN at home will do wonders for our attendance numbers. With UCONN now back in the fold I say drop Syracuse annual home and home games. Really, they need us more than we need them. As usual this guy doesn't know what he's talking about, completely clueless fan. Game attendance is extraordinarily higher for Syracuse games, and they are usually a solid squad so they would boost our NET ranking. Why remove that because we will be playing another old rival? We play UConn during BE season, we would play Syracuse during the preseason. Go back to kindergarten, you need to learn more about basic mathematics. Now, Now - not very nice to Dr Quigley. He is a long time Hoya and Fan. What he has to say is important
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 23, 2020 9:21:38 GMT -5
2020-21 Schedule:
20 Big East games at Syracuse at Wooden Legacy, Anaheim, CA (2) at Big 10 opponent TBD: GU is in Gavitt Games over two of next three seasons Home vs. Big 12 opponent 7 games TBA
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Post by drquigley on Mar 23, 2020 10:08:11 GMT -5
As usual this guy doesn't know what he's talking about, completely clueless fan. Game attendance is extraordinarily higher for Syracuse games, and they are usually a solid squad so they would boost our NET ranking. Why remove that because we will be playing another old rival? We play UConn during BE season, we would play Syracuse during the preseason. Go back to kindergarten, you need to learn more about basic mathematics. Now, Now - not very nice to Dr Quigley. He is a long time Hoya and Fan. What he has to say is important Thanks Big Elephant. Let me elaborate. Yes Syracuse is a huge attendance game. I've been to every weekend home Syracuse game for 30+ years and agree that the atmosphere is amazing. Who can forget the last BE game against Syracuse? Verizon was rockin. But Syracuse relies on it's ties to the BE to recruit and keep its basketball program alive. They deserted us for football and the really big bucks but are trying to have their cake (big bucks) and eat it too. The home and home series allows them to perpetuate the illusion that they are still an "East Coast" school and keep their huge NYC and East Coast alums happy. UCONN games will draw as well and send a message to Cuse fans and alums that you are now part of tobacco road and Raleigh/Durham not the BE and NYC/MSG. Cutting of our nose to spite our face? Maybe. But once we get our act together and become a national power again we will draw (and get TV coverage) without Syracuse's help. And hopefully Syracuse can become as relevant as BC.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 23, 2020 10:08:57 GMT -5
If we play too tough a schedule next season, we could be out of the conversation before the BE even starts. I do not think this is true. Providence got killed in the OOC this year, and would have likely made the tournament had it actually occurred. Even bad teams can beat good opponents, and those wins matter a lot more than losses to decent teams. Had we gone 9-9 in the Big East this year, we would have easily made the tournament because of the schedule. Last year, because of the bad schedule, 9-9 wasn't enough. I do fear that Ewing is going to stack the OOC deck with the SWAC/MEAC's of the world like he did his first season. If he does that, he's announcing to the world that he's not taking the job seriously and does not have any intent on even contending for the tournament in the upcoming season. I am hopeful that will not happen.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 23, 2020 10:35:19 GMT -5
Now, Now - not very nice to Dr Quigley. He is a long time Hoya and Fan. What he has to say is important Thanks Big Elephant. Let me elaborate. Yes Syracuse is a huge attendance game. I've been to every weekend home Syracuse game for 30+ years and agree that the atmosphere is amazing. Who can forget the last BE game against Syracuse? Verizon was rockin. But Syracuse relies on it's ties to the BE to recruit and keep its basketball program alive. They deserted us for football and the really big bucks but are trying to have their cake (big bucks) and eat it too. The home and home series allows them to perpetuate the illusion that they are still an "East Coast" school and keep their huge NYC and East Coast alums happy. UCONN games will draw as well and send a message to Cuse fans and alums that you are now part of tobacco road and Raleigh/Durham not the BE and NYC/MSG. Cutting of our nose to spite our face? Maybe. But once we get our act together and become a national power again we will draw (and get TV coverage) without Syracuse's help. And hopefully Syracuse can become as relevant as BC. I get what you are saying doctor Q. But it gets us an extra game on national TV in December, will usually be a solid Q1 game, and draws fans. Keeping SU plus adding UConn bumps the attendance figures nicely.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 23, 2020 10:36:59 GMT -5
Playing UCONN at home will do wonders for our attendance numbers. With UCONN now back in the fold I say drop Syracuse annual home and home games. Really, they need us more than we need them. As usual this guy doesn't know what he's talking about, completely clueless fan. Game attendance is extraordinarily higher for Syracuse games, and they are usually a solid squad so they would boost our NET ranking. Why remove that because we will be playing another old rival? We play UConn during BE season, we would play Syracuse during the preseason. Go back to kindergarten, you need to learn more about basic mathematics. Doctor Fight! Doctor Fight! Is that anything like a cat fight??😁
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Post by calhoya on Mar 23, 2020 10:42:06 GMT -5
If we play too tough a schedule next season, we could be out of the conversation before the BE even starts. I do not think this is true. Providence got killed in the OOC this year, and would have likely made the tournament had it actually occurred. Even bad teams can beat good opponents, and those wins matter a lot more than losses to decent teams. Had we gone 9-9 in the Big East this year, we would have easily made the tournament because of the schedule. Last year, because of the bad schedule, 9-9 wasn't enough. I do fear that Ewing is going to stack the OOC deck with the SWAC/MEAC's of the world like he did his first season. If he does that, he's announcing to the world that he's not taking the job seriously and does not have any intent on even contending for the tournament in the upcoming season. I am hopeful that will not happen. I share your hope and your concern. Let them play a tougher schedule, as they did this year and let them develop. If the concern is that all or most of the recruits are not ready for this level and need time to develop then that is an indictment on the recruiting. A one year pass made some sense for a new, completely unproven coach, but Ewing has three years of head coaching experience in the BE now on top of 15 years of being an NBA assistant. If he is the right person for this job he should be able to recruit at least 4 (out of 7) kids ready to play at the Big East level next year alongside the returning players and be competitive for the tournament next year. He's paid as a top line coach, surrounded by highly paid assistant coaches and with an athletic budget worthy of almost any program in the country--there is no reason for expectations to be so low for next year, even with the unfortunate departures of 4 players. He proved at times this year what he could do with a very limited roster and no time to adapt. Despite some glitches down the stretch, he showed that he can compete with the best this season. With an off-season, an opportunity to add 7 new players of his choosing and practice time in the Fall, expectations should be for significant improvement. No need to act as if it is 2017 all over again.
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Post by centercourt400s on Mar 23, 2020 10:57:21 GMT -5
If we play too tough a schedule next season, we could be out of the conversation before the BE even starts. I do not think this is true. Providence got killed in the OOC this year, and would have likely made the tournament had it actually occurred. Even bad teams can beat good opponents, and those wins matter a lot more than losses to decent teams. Had we gone 9-9 in the Big East this year, we would have easily made the tournament because of the schedule. Last year, because of the bad schedule, 9-9 wasn't enough. I do fear that Ewing is going to stack the OOC deck with the SWAC/MEAC's of the world like he did his first season. If he does that, he's announcing to the world that he's not taking the job seriously and does not have any intent on even contending for the tournament in the upcoming season. I am hopeful that will not happen. When has Pat Ewing not take something basketball related seriously? Question his methods if you want but I think his intent and his dedication are above reproach. With his money I would have retired to a nice island. Instead he sweated and strove for coaching experience behind the scenes for years and then took on a project team that he knew would come along with many headaches. I don't think him being serious about his job is something we need to worry about. I trust the schedule will reflect that.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 23, 2020 11:27:25 GMT -5
Keeping SU plus adding UConn bumps the attendance figures nicely. Syracuse is a road game in 2020-21. There is one home game (2021-22) left on the contract and it is not guaranteed that Syracuse will look to extend thereafter.
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