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Post by tashoya on Nov 16, 2019 22:28:02 GMT -5
Of course! Duke 36-34 at half. Georgia State looking to beat the spread! Georgia State had 12 turnovers and is only down 2 at halftime at Duke. Wow haha. Duke is going to need to shoot very well to finish the season remotely close to their preseason ranking. They're slow.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 17, 2019 7:10:29 GMT -5
Georgetown -10.5
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Post by calhoya on Nov 17, 2019 8:24:22 GMT -5
Good test for Hoyas tonight. Though Georgia State is smaller than Penn. St. hope that the team does not become too obsessed with forcing everything in to Yurtseven. Against a solid and aggressive defensive team it is going to be important for the Hoya guards to play under control and cut down the TOs. Hoping to see better ball movement and more players involved in the offense. Also hoping to see improved effort in the half court defense. Not certain why the Hoyas cannot defend the perimeter against teams that move the ball. Cannot afford to turn another 33% shooter for the opponent into a star tonight by giving them wide open looks.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 17, 2019 8:53:38 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Nov 17, 2019 10:08:32 GMT -5
Does this mean that a coach would know to instruct his players not to overhelp on one player and leave a perimeter player wide open? Asking for a friend...
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Post by prhoya on Nov 17, 2019 10:20:24 GMT -5
Not certain why the Hoyas cannot defend the perimeter against teams that move the ball. Cannot afford to turn another 33% shooter for the opponent into a star tonight by giving them wide open looks. Because we overhelp and we end up scrambling from one player to another in the perimeter. The problem is good ball movement always beats overhelp defense. If allenixis could put together one of his great analytical posts re: our perimeter defense with video clips, it would be highly appreciated. (If I could capture video to create the clips, I would do it.)
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 17, 2019 10:45:59 GMT -5
Does this mean that a coach would know to instruct his players not to overhelp on one player and leave a perimeter player wide open? Asking for a friend... One would think . . . but what do I know?? Georgia State hit 42% from 3 (5/12) in its loss to Duke. FWIW, it shot same % from 2 against Duke.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 17, 2019 11:21:28 GMT -5
Teams entice us to trap or help to get their shooters wide open. You see the plays developing watching the game. Teams making purposeful crisp extra passes.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Nov 17, 2019 11:50:35 GMT -5
Does this mean that a coach would know to instruct his players not to overhelp on one player and leave a perimeter player wide open? Asking for a friend... It is some element of over-helping. But that's just as much a symptom as it is a cause. The basic cause is that our perimeter players continue to get beat too easily off the bounce. Whether through a PNR or just straight one-on-one play, other players are forced to rotate when Mac (for example) gets blown by. Unless we're going to give up wide-open layups, that inevitably leaves someone with a look at a three.
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 17, 2019 12:56:55 GMT -5
GAME DAY!
Let's show up with some energy and hot shooting
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 17, 2019 13:19:40 GMT -5
Does this mean that a coach would know to instruct his players not to overhelp on one player and leave a perimeter player wide open? Asking for a friend... It is some element of over-helping. But that's just as much a symptom as it is a cause. The basic cause is that our perimeter players continue to get beat too easily off the bounce. Whether through a PNR or just straight one-on-one play, other players are forced to rotate when Mac (for example) gets blown by. Unless we're going to give up wide-open layups, that inevitably leaves someone with a look at a three. Aleutian, I know how much of your expertise you have shared with the board over the years. I know you know what you are talking about. When I re-watched the PSU game possession by possession, this was not what I saw regarding rotations triggered by blow-bys. The rotations were happening because someone was sagging off of their defender to double team or flat out leaving their defender to double team. If players just helped less and were responsible for their own man primarily, it would seem to be a step in the right direction.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Nov 17, 2019 13:21:24 GMT -5
It is some element of over-helping. But that's just as much a symptom as it is a cause. The basic cause is that our perimeter players continue to get beat too easily off the bounce. Whether through a PNR or just straight one-on-one play, other players are forced to rotate when Mac (for example) gets blown by. Unless we're going to give up wide-open layups, that inevitably leaves someone with a look at a three. Aleutian, I know how much of your expertise you have shared with the board over the years. I know you know what you are talking about. When I re-watched the PSU game possession by possession, this was not what I saw regarding rotations triggered by blow-bys. The rotations were happening because someone was sagging off of their defender to double team or flat out leaving their defender to double team. If players just helped less and were responsible for their own man primarily, it would seem to be a step in the right direction. Fair enough. I didn't re-watch (though I did watch live), so you had more of a look at it.
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 17, 2019 14:04:23 GMT -5
Need a 10+ point win today to head into the rest of the week with confidence. Shorten the rotation and play to win big from the opening tip.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 17, 2019 15:18:15 GMT -5
Commentary from one of the oddsmaking sites. If Hoyas don't bring the D, it could be deja vu all over again:
"The guards have been the key to the Georgia State offense so far this season. Junior classmates Kane Williams and Corey Allen are the best example of this, averaging 14.7 and 14.3 points respectively to lead the team. These two men are also the team leaders in threes for a squad that attempts 18.3 per game. This number is lowered significantly because the Panthers attempted just 12 threes against Duke. Still, they are consistent as a team, at 43 percent from deep. Georgetown allows opponents to land a healthy 38 percent of their threes on 28.6 attempts per game, making this a potential area of exploitation for the Georgia State guards."
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Nov 17, 2019 15:29:32 GMT -5
Hoyas teams in recent years have a maddening habit of chasing the ball and collapsing the lane for no reason on defense, leading to wide open 3's. We might see this a bunch tonight
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 17, 2019 17:29:26 GMT -5
Aleutian, I know how much of your expertise you have shared with the board over the years. I know you know what you are talking about. When I re-watched the PSU game possession by possession, this was not what I saw regarding rotations triggered by blow-bys. The rotations were happening because someone was sagging off of their defender to double team or flat out leaving their defender to double team. If players just helped less and were responsible for their own man primarily, it would seem to be a step in the right direction. Fair enough. I didn't re-watch (though I did watch live), so you had more of a look at it. Here is an example of the problem. http://instagram.com/p/B48DyAMhRnt
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Post by hoyas315 on Nov 17, 2019 18:22:48 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 17, 2019 18:34:57 GMT -5
Fair enough. I didn't re-watch (though I did watch live), so you had more of a look at it. Here is an example of the problem. http://instagr.am/p/B48DyAMhRnt You can see Akinjo move over to try to triple team the big this leave Mac guarding two people and leads to the wide open 3. I think they are overhelping because the opponent has two true bigs and we have our 3 shorty guard lineup plus a wing (Pickett). This leads to the helter skelter defense. When LeBlanc goes back to starting this problem will be solved.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 17, 2019 18:35:37 GMT -5
Commentary from one of the oddsmaking sites. If Hoyas don't bring the D, it could be deja vu all over again: "The guards have been the key to the Georgia State offense so far this season. Junior classmates Kane Williams and Corey Allen are the best example of this, averaging 14.7 and 14.3 points respectively to lead the team. These two men are also the team leaders in threes for a squad that attempts 18.3 per game. This number is lowered significantly because the Panthers attempted just 12 threes against Duke. Still, they are consistent as a team, at 43 percent from deep. Georgetown allows opponents to land a healthy 38 percent of their threes on 28.6 attempts per game, making this a potential area of exploitation for the Georgia State guards." This is that RJ Hunter school that made that run in the tourney a couple years ago IIRC.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 17, 2019 18:43:51 GMT -5
You can see Akinjo move over to try to triple team the big this leave Mac guarding two people and leads to the wide open 3. I think they are overhelping because the opponent has two true bigs and we have our 3 shorty guard lineup plus a wing (Pickett). This leads to the helter skelter defense. When LeBlanc goes back to starting this problem will be solved. Lamar Stevens is not a "true" big but I hope you're right that starting LeBlanc will cure the defensive issues...
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