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Post by EasyEd on Jan 14, 2020 20:16:18 GMT -5
Repeat what I said earlier that Ewing should run plays to get Mosely open for three pointers. To me he is now the best outside shooter on the team. Like Jabril, Mosely has developed his touch over the years.
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Post by rhw485 on Jan 15, 2020 7:23:18 GMT -5
Repeat what I said earlier that Ewing should run plays to get Mosely open for three pointers. To me he is now the best outside shooter on the team. Like Jabril, Mosely has developed his touch over the years. Running plays for Mosely to get 3 point looks is asking him to do something completely different than what he's shown he's capable of. The plays we run for Blair require him to run off a double screen and catch and shoot while his momentum is carrying him in a different direction. Half of Blair's issues on 3s is that this isn't easy to maintain balance after that to stop on a dime and elevate under control. We've seen it where Blair's feet are almost facing the wrong way and the shot never has a chance to go in. Now maybe Mosely is capable of doing that, but we're all just guessing at this point as we've never seen him do it. Additionally, you're asking Mosely to play 36 minutes, guard the best player on the other team, and now run around like crazy on offense to hunt a shot while we continue to push the pace and play quickly. It's great in theory to say our 48% 3 pt shooter needs to shoot more 3s, that practically can only happen if Yurt7 and McClung are better distributors so he can get more of the quality looks he's thrived on this year.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 7:41:45 GMT -5
Speaking of threes...
Blair is shooting 5-26 (19%) from 3 this year when the score is within 10 points, either way.
When the difference is 11+ points, he's 21-50 (42%).
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Post by SaxaCD on Jan 15, 2020 8:16:49 GMT -5
Speaking of threes... Blair is shooting 5-26 (19%) from 3 this year when the score is within 10 points, either way. When the difference is 11+ points, he's 21-50 (42%). That shows ability is fine, confidence needs work. That's better than other way around, I think.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 11:06:52 GMT -5
Speaking of threes... Blair is shooting 5-26 (19%) from 3 this year when the score is within 10 points, either way. When the difference is 11+ points, he's 21-50 (42%). That shows ability is fine, confidence needs work. That's better than other way around, I think. I look at it the other way. Blair may just be a practice court all-star. I haven't jumped into the other stats, but I assume they'd look somewhat similar -- excusing the normal bump that players see from "pressure-less" situations. He seems to have enough passing ability, enough rebounding, and enough shooting for his size/position. But, based mostly on the eye test, it all seems to go to crap when he faces any decent pressure. I suppose that's still about confidence, but I dunno. I genuinely thought after his FR campaign he'd be more than just a gunner who doesn't hit many big shots.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 15, 2020 12:34:12 GMT -5
Repeat what I said earlier that Ewing should run plays to get Mosely open for three pointers. To me he is now the best outside shooter on the team. Like Jabril, Mosely has developed his touch over the years. Running plays for Mosely to get 3 point looks is asking him to do something completely different than what he's shown he's capable of. The plays we run for Blair require him to run off a double screen and catch and shoot while his momentum is carrying him in a different direction. Half of Blair's issues on 3s is that this isn't easy to maintain balance after that to stop on a dime and elevate under control. We've seen it where Blair's feet are almost facing the wrong way and the shot never has a chance to go in. Now maybe Mosely is capable of doing that, but we're all just guessing at this point as we've never seen him do it. Additionally, you're asking Mosely to play 36 minutes, guard the best player on the other team, and now run around like crazy on offense to hunt a shot while we continue to push the pace and play quickly. It's great in theory to say our 48% 3 pt shooter needs to shoot more 3s, that practically can only happen if Yurt7 and McClung are better distributors so he can get more of the quality looks he's thrived on this year. If the offense doesn't create more looks for a guy like Mosely, then it's broken. I think we need some perspective here. Mosely only takes 5 shot attempts per 40 minutes. That means he's essentially taking a shot every 8 minutes of minutes played. At that point, it's so little that if I was an opposing team, I would not worry about guarding him. Sure, he might beat you when he does shoot, but he shoots so infrequently, that opposing teams can guard him less closely. I am not even saying he necessarily needs more threes (though those are probably more valuable), but the guys should be shooting more. I know prhoya has been on this issue for quite some time, and for good reason. It was less of an issue when Mosely played a smaller role, but when you play 35 minutes, it matters.
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Post by DudeSlade on Jan 15, 2020 13:38:19 GMT -5
Running plays for Mosely to get 3 point looks is asking him to do something completely different than what he's shown he's capable of. The plays we run for Blair require him to run off a double screen and catch and shoot while his momentum is carrying him in a different direction. Half of Blair's issues on 3s is that this isn't easy to maintain balance after that to stop on a dime and elevate under control. We've seen it where Blair's feet are almost facing the wrong way and the shot never has a chance to go in. Now maybe Mosely is capable of doing that, but we're all just guessing at this point as we've never seen him do it. Additionally, you're asking Mosely to play 36 minutes, guard the best player on the other team, and now run around like crazy on offense to hunt a shot while we continue to push the pace and play quickly. It's great in theory to say our 48% 3 pt shooter needs to shoot more 3s, that practically can only happen if Yurt7 and McClung are better distributors so he can get more of the quality looks he's thrived on this year. If the offense doesn't create more looks for a guy like Mosely, then it's broken. I think we need some perspective here. Mosely only takes 5 shot attempts per 40 minutes. That means he's essentially taking a shot every 8 minutes of minutes played. At that point, it's so little that if I was an opposing team, I would not worry about guarding him. Sure, he might beat you when he does shoot, but he shoots so infrequently, that opposing teams can guard him less closely. I am not even saying he necessarily needs more threes (though those are probably more valuable), but the guys should be shooting more. I know prhoya has been on this issue for quite some time, and for good reason. It was less of an issue when Mosely played a smaller role, but when you play 35 minutes, it matters. I'm onboard with this from a pure watching the games perspective. Mosely seems to have opportunities to use his strength for his size to drive the lane and put up his runner, get to the basket, or suck the defense and create easy baskets for the bigs, but doesn't take advantage of it much. Mac & Allen are left to do this, which means we only have 2 strong dribble drive threats. Someone mentioned Trawick as a comp, and I generally like it for Mosely, but the bully-ball dribble drive was something Trawick got really good at by his senior year. Occasionally at the end of shot clocks, I've seen Mosely have to do it and it's more successful than you'd expect under the circumstances. That leads me to think he could do it more earlier in the shot clock. Could also help Mac, Allen, Blair, Pickett get outside shots with a little more space. Secondly, Mosely and especially Pickett seem to shoot well from the corner 3 (again, just from watching the game; wonder if there's any stats on this). Pickett with his length should be able to get that shot up over anyone almost any time -- he just has to not rush the shot and I think he'll hit these consistently and suck the defense away from Y7 (again creating easier matchups for him). Mosely, meanwhile, seems like he could get more of these up, if he'd just pull the trigger. He seems to have enough space when Mac or Allen drive, sucking in his defender, but has to just fire it. I really think that with Mac or Allen driving and Y7 forcing the defense to stay home on him that we could create a number of corner 3s for Pickett or Mosely, but they need to just trust themselves and shoot it. Could also open up that lane for more easy baskets if they hit one or two and create lots of easy putbacks, considering how good Y7 and Qudus are at offensive rebounds. Thinking about it, I rarely remember Blair shooting corner 3s. I would like to see how he'd do in that role too. Finally, a question: has Y7 shot a 3 this year? I remember reports before the year that he could shoot them. I wonder if even 1 3PA/game or occasionally rotating him out to the perimeter would open up the interior for the other guys. I could see a pick and roll with him and Mac, the other guys spread around the 3 point line, and Y7 staying out Brook Lopez/Jessie Govan style at the 3 point line, either creating a real open 3 for Y7 or an open lane for Mac and I'd take Mac going to the basket without a big on the inside any day.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 15, 2020 15:08:49 GMT -5
Running plays for Mosely to get 3 point looks is asking him to do something completely different than what he's shown he's capable of. The plays we run for Blair require him to run off a double screen and catch and shoot while his momentum is carrying him in a different direction. Half of Blair's issues on 3s is that this isn't easy to maintain balance after that to stop on a dime and elevate under control. We've seen it where Blair's feet are almost facing the wrong way and the shot never has a chance to go in. Now maybe Mosely is capable of doing that, but we're all just guessing at this point as we've never seen him do it. Additionally, you're asking Mosely to play 36 minutes, guard the best player on the other team, and now run around like crazy on offense to hunt a shot while we continue to push the pace and play quickly. It's great in theory to say our 48% 3 pt shooter needs to shoot more 3s, that practically can only happen if Yurt7 and McClung are better distributors so he can get more of the quality looks he's thrived on this year. If the offense doesn't create more looks for a guy like Mosely, then it's broken. I think we need some perspective here. Mosely only takes 5 shot attempts per 40 minutes. That means he's essentially taking a shot every 8 minutes of minutes played. At that point, it's so little that if I was an opposing team, I would not worry about guarding him. Sure, he might beat you when he does shoot, but he shoots so infrequently, that opposing teams can guard him less closely.I am not even saying he necessarily needs more threes (though those are probably more valuable), but the guys should be shooting more. I know prhoya has been on this issue for quite some time, and for good reason. It was less of an issue when Mosely played a smaller role, but when you play 35 minutes, it matters. In some ways, the offense is broken because it doesn't call for many off-ball screens which leaves the players on the weak side of the court(Mosely for instance) standing around way too much for my liking... I think opposing coaches are telling their teams not to leave him open though, do you notice teams leaving Mosely unguarded? As I posted before it's hard for a guy who doesn't have anything run for him to just get more shots, PE calls plays on just about every possession... Look at LeBlanc last season his per 40# was 9 and that's with his prowess as an elite offensive rebounder...
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Post by prhoya on Jan 15, 2020 17:08:24 GMT -5
In some ways, the offense is broken because it doesn't call for many off-ball screens which leaves the players on the weak side of the court(Mosely for instance) standing around way too much for my liking... I think opposing coaches are telling their teams not to leave him open though, do you notice teams leaving Mosely unguarded? As I posted before it's hard for a guy who doesn't have anything run for him to just get more shots, PE calls plays on just about every possession... Look at LeBlanc last season his per 40# was 9 and that's with his prowess as an elite offensive rebounder... I know it's relative to each spectator, but what's your definition of a player left "open"? How do you know Pat doesn't run a play for him? Has Pat said that somewhere I haven't seen/read? If you're right re: Pat not calling plays for Jagan this year, then there's something wrong with Pat and the coaching staff. I remember Pat calling plays for senior Kaleb and telling a reporter that if Kaleb didn't shoot when open, he would sit. Same should go for Jagan, except Pat doesn't have that luxury with the roster situation.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 15, 2020 18:10:56 GMT -5
In some ways, the offense is broken because it doesn't call for many off-ball screens which leaves the players on the weak side of the court(Mosely for instance) standing around way too much for my liking... I think opposing coaches are telling their teams not to leave him open though, do you notice teams leaving Mosely unguarded? As I posted before it's hard for a guy who doesn't have anything run for him to just get more shots, PE calls plays on just about every possession... Look at LeBlanc last season his per 40# was 9 and that's with his prowess as an elite offensive rebounder... I know it's relative to each spectator, but what's your definition of a player left "open"? How do you know Pat doesn't run a play for him? Has Pat said that somewhere I haven't seen/read? If you're right re: Pat not calling plays for Jagan this year, then there's something wrong with Pat and the coaching staff. I remember Pat calling plays for senior Kaleb and telling a reporter that if Kaleb didn't shoot when open, he would sit. Same should go for Jagan, except Pat doesn't have that luxury with the roster situation. Think of how Creighton covered Hopkins or Hayes, their defenders didn't come within 4 feet of them if they had the ball out past the foul line, Creighton dared them to shoot the ball from there... I watch the games, multiple times usually... I can't remember ever seeing Jagan being run off screens or taking a handoff or isolated on a wing they way it's done for Pickett or Mac or Blair... Honestly, I don't remember too many plays for Kaleb either but I do remember the comment you're talking about though. PE was right to tell Kaleb to shoot the ball if he had an open shot but stating that in an interview doesn't mean he ran specific plays for Kaleb... Here's the game log for Kalebs junior year when PE made this comment, take note of how his 3pt shooting dropped once conference play started... It's not coincidental in my view, very rarely will a team absolutely leave an opposing player open regardless of how often he shoots or not... www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kaleb-johnson-1/gamelog/2018As posted by rhw485 earlier the way to get Jagan more shots is for Yurtseven & Mac to be better distributors not just to Jagan specifically but in a ball moving kind of way...
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 15, 2020 18:21:01 GMT -5
I know it's relative to each spectator, but what's your definition of a player left "open"? How do you know Pat doesn't run a play for him? Has Pat said that somewhere I haven't seen/read? If you're right re: Pat not calling plays for Jagan this year, then there's something wrong with Pat and the coaching staff. I remember Pat calling plays for senior Kaleb and telling a reporter that if Kaleb didn't shoot when open, he would sit. Same should go for Jagan, except Pat doesn't have that luxury with the roster situation. Think of how Creighton covered Hopkins or Hayes, their defenders didn't come within 4 feet of them if they had the ball out past the foul line, Creighton dared them to shoot the ball from there... Could not agree with this more. We need to put the onus on our guards to fight over those screens and get a good contest if the guard pulls up from deep. We do this and it may cause one of several positive outcomes: 1. The screener does something illegal and gets whistled for an offensive foul 2. The guard pulls up for a 3 off the dribble (preferable for us) instead of a stand-still catch and shoot from someone else after dribble penetration 3. The guard pulls up for a deep 2 once space is created (also great for us) 4. The guard tries to get to the rim and is contested by our big who should already be camped there Only way the above is compromised is if the screener is a legit 3 point shooter. In that case, we do need our big to hedge out there to guard against the pick and pop. But against bigs who don't have that kind of range, why are we bothering?
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Post by prhoya on Jan 15, 2020 18:21:49 GMT -5
Think of how Creighton covered Hopkins or Hayes, their defenders didn't come within 4 feet of them if they had the ball out past the foul line, Creighton dared them to shoot the ball from there... As to Kaleb, he was kind of a deer caught in headlights most or all of his career, with a few exceptions and wasn't as confident during the BE as he was in the OOC. So that we're clear for tonight, if Jagan receives the ball and his defender is four feet away, does that mean to you that Jagan is open?
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 15, 2020 18:28:54 GMT -5
Think of how Creighton covered Hopkins or Hayes, their defenders didn't come within 4 feet of them if they had the ball out past the foul line, Creighton dared them to shoot the ball from there... As to Kaleb, he was kind of a deer caught in headlights most or all of his career, with a few exceptions and wasn't as confident during the BE as he was in the OOC. So that we're clear for tonight, if Jagan receives the ball and his defender is four feet away, does that mean to you that Jagan is open? Well obviously it depends on where he is on the court... If Jagan gets the ball and his defender is 4 feet away & not coming to guard him then yes, I would consider that to be open for him...
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Post by prhoya on Jan 15, 2020 18:37:42 GMT -5
If Jagan gets the ball and his defender is 4 feet away & not coming to guard him then yes, I would consider that to be open for him... I think I understand you now. Under your definition, a player is open only when dared to shoot by the defense and not guarded, right? Under your definition, we never leave an opponent open because our players always rush the perimeter shooter even if overhelping somewhere else. For example, the GU defender leaves his assigned offensive player to over help on another player and when his assignment gets the ball back and shoots, with the GU player scrambling to get back, but several feet away, for you that is not an open player?
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 15, 2020 19:06:31 GMT -5
If Jagan gets the ball and his defender is 4 feet away & not coming to guard him then yes, I would consider that to be open for him... I think I understand you now. Under your definition, a player is open only when dared to shoot by the defense and not guarded, right? Under your definition, we never leave an opponent open because our players always rush the shooter even if overhelping somewhere else. For example, the GU defender leaves his assigned offensive player to over help on another player and when his assignment gets the ball back and shoots, with the GU player scrambling to get back, but several feet away, for you that is not an open player? I see what you're trying to do here but It's really not that cut & dry it has to depend on the player and team too... Nova players consider themselves open if they have a clear line of sight to the hoop because Wright teaches them to "catch to shoot"... In my view, Nova players(Bey specifically) weren't "open" the way Jagan needs to be on a lot of their shots...
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jan 16, 2020 12:43:20 GMT -5
It would be hard to find a 36% free throw shooter in the Big East, but I appreciate the creativity here.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Jan 16, 2020 15:02:07 GMT -5
It would be hard to find a 36% free throw shooter in the Big East, but I appreciate the creativity here. Vernon Macklin is not walking through that door!
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Post by mapei on Jan 16, 2020 15:12:09 GMT -5
This may be an unpopular opinion considering all the discussion about how we could improve Jagan's usage, but I think the last thing we should be thinking about is changing anything about his play this year. IMO he's been fabulous exactly the way he's playing on both sides of the ball.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 16, 2020 15:31:31 GMT -5
This may be an unpopular opinion considering all the discussion about how we could improve Jagan's usage, but I think the last thing we should be thinking about is changing anything about his play this year. IMO he's been fabulous exactly the way he's playing on both sides of the ball. 100% agree with you...
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Post by prhoya on Jan 16, 2020 19:53:50 GMT -5
This may be an unpopular opinion considering all the discussion about how we could improve Jagan's usage, but I think the last thing we should be thinking about is changing anything about his play this year. IMO he's been fabulous exactly the way he's playing on both sides of the ball. The team doesn't have the luxury to change anything. No extra pieces...
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