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Post by jwp91 on Dec 9, 2019 16:02:45 GMT -5
74...you can see it on the 2nd row of the table- basically a full game’s worth. Hah, thanks, clearly I was blind. I know Hoops Lens does not have it, but does anybody have shooting stats? For example, layups/dunks v. jumpers etc.? Back in the day, Hoya Prospectus did those stats. Damn it 2003! Now you've caused me to subscribe to Synergy Sports. I will report back if I find that info.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 16:13:27 GMT -5
Impressive start but remember there was no scout on us before these last 2 games. Now that there is film I expect coaches to make adjustments. We will soon find out if Allen and Mosely can make enough shots to keep the defense honest.
Going to need Pickett to be a bit more aggressive also. His game, minus the Duke performance, has looked pretty smooth this year. Hopefully that continues but in an expanded role. Probably need him to be around 12 a game to balance out Omer and Mack.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Dec 9, 2019 16:31:11 GMT -5
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 9, 2019 18:26:15 GMT -5
Impressive start but remember there was no scout on us before these last 2 games. Now that there is film I expect coaches to make adjustments. We will soon find out if Allen and Mosely can make enough shots to keep the defense honest. Going to need Pickett to be a bit more aggressive also. His game, minus the Duke performance, has looked pretty smooth this year. Hopefully that continues but in an expanded role. Probably need him to be around 12 a game to balance out Omer and Mack. Agree, but at least something was working to which adjustment is required!
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 9, 2019 20:25:50 GMT -5
After reading this article for the second time it makes me wonder how much or if the staff relies on analytics to help with decision making... As the writer stated, the numbers don’t lie...
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 9, 2019 20:29:15 GMT -5
View AttachmentI wonder if we will see an improvement to the mean for players like Allen and Blair given the different situation and different line-ups. I’ve attached the season to date PPP stats as a record. I hope so. Terrell Allen's O rating now is 68.3, but at Drexel and UCF it was 105.4, 92.5, and 107.3. So, one might expect that while his numbers may be down because of better competition at Georgetown, he should do a lot better than he has thus far. My guess at the starting lineup would be Allen, McClung, Mosely, Pickett, Yurtseven - which is not a bad lineup. There's just very little depth. Good call on this.
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 9, 2019 22:43:46 GMT -5
After reading this article for the second time it makes me wonder how much or if the staff relies on analytics to help with decision making... As the writer stated, the numbers don’t lie... It’s been quite clear for a while now not much if any. I get the impression that Pat is a feel guy.
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 10, 2019 2:35:15 GMT -5
Interesting how we improved defensively with Allen over Akinjo. Watching Akinjo play defense...his defense was intense but in short spurts. There were times where his guy got pases him far too easily. Allen seems a little less intense but there never seems to be a drop off.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 10, 2019 7:14:01 GMT -5
Interesting how we improved defensively with Allen over Akinjo. Watching Akinjo play defense...his defense was intense but in short spurts. There were times where his guy got pases him far too easily. Allen seems a little less intense but there never seems to be a drop off. I had a theory that people thought he was a better defender because he was scowling. Attitude plays a part, but facial expression does not.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 10, 2019 7:29:16 GMT -5
Just starting to dig into the Synergy Sports data...there is a lot here so I will just start cherry picking a few things.
First a look at the team stats...
Transition offense is 19.5% of possessions with a .882 PPP which is characterized as 'poor' 14th percentile Half-court offense i 80.5% of possessions with a .92 PPP which is characterized as 'Very good" 79th percentile
Out of bounds (end) has had 54 possessions with a PPP of .667 - "Below Average" 17th percentile Out of bound (side) has had 29 possessions with a PPP of .93 - "Very good" 72% percentile After time-outs had had106 possessions with a PPP of .849 - "Good" 53rd percentile
So much data here.
Best in transition - Josh Leblanc Worst in transition - Jagan & Blair
Best spot up - Jagan Worst spot up - Akinjo
Best PNR Ball handler - Mac @ .938 PPP vs. Akinjo @ .836 PPP
Best Post-up - Omer at .987 PPP (very good) vs. Qudus at .667 PPP (below average)
Best in isolation - Mac at 1.0 PPP vs. Akinjo at .929 PPP - both (very good.)
PNR Roll Man - Omer at .5 PPP (Poor)
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 10, 2019 7:54:54 GMT -5
74...you can see it on the 2nd row of the table- basically a full game’s worth. Hah, thanks, clearly I was blind. I know Hoops Lens does not have it, but does anybody have shooting stats? For example, layups/dunks v. jumpers etc.? Back in the day, Hoya Prospectus did those stats. Team Transition .469 Spot-up .421 PRN Ball handler .397 Post up .533 Offensive rebounds .61 Cut .658 Isolation .32 Off-screen .429 PNR Rollman .286 Handoff .30
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Post by seaweed on Dec 10, 2019 8:40:10 GMT -5
Just starting to dig into the Synergy Sports data...there is a lot here so I will just start cherry picking a few things. First a look at the team stats... Transition offense is 19.5% of possessions with a .882 PPP which is characterized as 'poor' 14th percentile Half-court offense i 80.5% of possessions with a .92 PPP which is characterized as 'Very good" 79th percentile Out of bounds (end) has had 54 possessions with a PPP of .667 - "Below Average" 17th percentile Out of bound (side) has had 29 possessions with a PPP of .93 - "Very good" 72% percentile After time-outs had had106 possessions with a PPP of .849 - "Good" 53rd percentile So much data here. Best in transition - Josh Leblanc Worst in transition - Jagan & Blair Best spot up - Jagan Worst spot up - Akinjo Best PNR Ball handler - Mac @ .938 PPP vs. Akinjo @ .836 PPP Best Post-up - Omer at .987 PPP (very good) vs. Qudus at .667 PPP (below average) Best in isolation - Mac at 1.0 PPP vs. Akinjo at .929 PPP - both (very good.) PNR Roll Man - Omer at .5 PPP (Poor) Fascinating data - thanks for sharing
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Post by cgallstar02 on Dec 10, 2019 15:36:50 GMT -5
Interesting how we improved defensively with Allen over Akinjo. Watching Akinjo play defense...his defense was intense but in short spurts. There were times where his guy got pases him far too easily. Allen seems a little less intense but there never seems to be a drop off. I had a theory that people thought he was a better defender because he was scowling. Attitude plays a part, but facial expression does not. I always felt the same way... not only that, but folks thought cus of his scowl, the fact he never smiled, and cus he was from the "hood," that somehow made him tough. Turns out he was just an a****** that didn't like anyone. Not only that, but he was clearly the softest player on the team... couldn't handle being coached or yelled at, jealous of his teammates popularity, feared any competition from Allen, and quit on his team at the first sign of adversity. All this from a kid who literally had it better than anyone else on the entire team. The so called tough kid from Oakland turned out to have the same attitude as a spoiled rich kid from Beverly Hills, mad cus his parents got him a Bentley instead of a Rolls for his 16th birthday.
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Post by strummer8526 on Dec 10, 2019 15:59:46 GMT -5
I had a theory that people thought he was a better defender because he was scowling. Attitude plays a part, but facial expression does not. I always felt the same way... not only that, but folks thought cus of his scowl, the fact he never smiled, and cus he was from the "hood," that somehow made him tough. Turns out he was just an a****** that didn't like anyone. Not only that, but he was clearly the softest player on the team... couldn't handle being coached or yelled at, jealous of his teammates popularity, feared any competition from Allen, and quit on his team at the first sign of adversity. All this from a kid who literally had it better than anyone else on the entire team. The so called tough kid from Oakland turned out to have the same attitude as a spoiled rich kid from Beverly Hills, mad cus his parents got him a Bentley instead of a Rolls for his 16th birthday. Oh boy... Insert Michael Jackson eating popcorn gif.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 11, 2019 8:35:29 GMT -5
Hooplens has an analysis called Points above Mean (PAM) to explain how each player affects his team's shooting efficiency. It has several different elements and helps explain where a player is exceptional and weak.
Just noticed that no Hoyas have a meaningful positive score for 'transition at the rim'. Mac is the worst. Akinjo is the 2nd worst.
We either need to fix the problems or de-emphasize it.
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Post by bigelephant on Dec 11, 2019 8:45:00 GMT -5
This analytic stuff may tell something but it is not telling everything. Sometimes good old "eyes" are the best
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 11, 2019 14:27:30 GMT -5
Hooplens has an analysis called Points above Mean (PAM) to explain how each player affects his team's shooting efficiency. It has several different elements and helps explain where a player is exceptional and weak. Just noticed that no Hoyas have a meaningful positive score for 'transition at the rim'. Mac is the worst. Akinjo is the 2nd worst. We either need to fix the problems or de-emphasize it. According to the Synergy site, 19.5% of Gtown's possessions are considered to be of the transition type. In 152 possessions they've scored 134 points which means they're scoring 0.882 ppp... I definitely agree that they need to shore this up, this is one of the areas I believe they can improve a lot in due to both Jagan & Allen being much more willing to push the ball via the pass in transition...
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 11, 2019 15:35:57 GMT -5
This analytic stuff may tell something but it is not telling everything. Sometimes good old "eyes" are the best Whose eyes do you trust?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 11, 2019 16:31:09 GMT -5
This analytic stuff may tell something but it is not telling everything. Sometimes good old "eyes" are the best First, the intent of this thread was to discuss analytics (hence the thread's title), particularly since in the past such discussions in other threads have been less than welcomed by many posters. Thus, I am not sure what the intent is of saying this here, other than to provoke. Second, nobody ever said that analytics can tell "everything." For those of us who are more analytically inclined, they are a very useful tool to examine the game. But clearly, they do not tell us anything about recruiting, team chemistry, etc. I don't think you'd find anybody here who disagrees. Third, one of the many useful parts of analytics is that they are not reliant on "eyes" or subjective criteria. They are objective, so oftentimes they can help you identify things you miss with the naked eye. Just like eyewitness testimony can be drastically incorrect, when you watch a game, you do not always get a full picture. (As proof, just take posters on HoyaTalk, who after seeing the same game, often reach drastically different conclusions.) This is especially so in a fast game like basketball, particularly where by definition we cannot see everything because we (mostly) watch these games on television, and it's impossible to track everything live. For example, how many times after a game does a coach not know specifically how many turnovers there are, for example? It's not easy to track in real time. Another good example is a friend of mine who follows games closely, but simply isn't good at determining tempo. By using stats, you can see this. Lastly, one of the most valuable benefits of advanced and tempo-free stats is that they are a useful way of comparing teams that you simply cannot achieve with the eye test or old standard stats.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 11, 2019 17:27:09 GMT -5
As of today, the numbers for the core players are considered to be very good offensively on the Synergy site despite how bad all of their transition numbers are... Here are the overall numbers, it'll be interesting to see how much Allen & Blair's jump over the next few weeks... As many have stated Pickett needs to get a lot more involved on the offensive end...
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