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Post by the_way on Dec 11, 2020 22:20:03 GMT -5
Dante is helping himself by improving his play. If he keeps improving, he'll get more minutes and who knows, the starting gig. Really like the kid.
Wouldn't file away Jalen either. We are gonna need both this season.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 22:34:25 GMT -5
I don't mind letting Jalen start but minutes should favor Harris unless Jalen starts to show more.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 11, 2020 22:59:54 GMT -5
Dante gave away this game by trying to take over instead of feeding Blair/Pickett. But he's still learning and will improve from this.
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Post by mdtd on Dec 11, 2020 23:10:01 GMT -5
Dante gave away this game by trying to take over instead of feeding Blair/Pickett. But he's still learning and will improve from this. Oh that's an exaggeration. If Jalen didn't let Gillespie hit four threes, this isn't a close game. And it's not like Blair was great today either. Blair was our main iso guy late and just didn't get great looks. Also, Dante didn't play the last like seven minutes. He was in for a minute and had the DHO TO with Blair (I personally thought that was more on Blair, as I don't think he took that handoff tight enough and didn't bring in the ball either), but regardless, this is not him taking over this game. And he did miss a layup, but again getting to the rim wasn't something we were doing at the end of this game. I'm not mad at that at all That was within the offense, he just missed. Dante played very well tonight. Not as well in the second half, but well nonetheless. Let's hope he does it against the Johnnies, also. The 40 minutes of hell is not great to freshmen, let's see if Dante can change that mold.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 11, 2020 23:22:53 GMT -5
Dante gave away this game by trying to take over instead of feeding Blair/Pickett. But he's still learning and will improve from this. Oh that's an exaggeration. If Jalen didn't let Gillespie hit four threes, this isn't a close game. And it's not like Blair was great today either. Blair was our main iso guy late and just didn't get great looks. Also, Dante didn't play the last like seven minutes. He was in for a minute and had the DHO TO with Blair (I personally thought that was more on Blair, as I don't think he took that handoff tight enough and didn't bring in the ball either), but regardless, this is not him taking over this game. And he did miss a layup, but again getting to the rim wasn't something we were doing at the end of this game. I'm not mad at that at all That was within the offense, he just missed. Dante played very well tonight. Not as well in the second half, but well nonetheless. Let's hope he does it against the Johnnies, also. The 40 minutes of hell is not great to freshmen, let's see if Dante can change that mold. He came in and suddenly it became a 9 point lead for Nova and that was all she wrote. He’s young so he’s gaining experience and learning with each game but we’re gonna take our lumps til we have better point guard play in the stretch.
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Post by mdtd on Dec 11, 2020 23:39:39 GMT -5
Oh that's an exaggeration. If Jalen didn't let Gillespie hit four threes, this isn't a close game. And it's not like Blair was great today either. Blair was our main iso guy late and just didn't get great looks. Also, Dante didn't play the last like seven minutes. He was in for a minute and had the DHO TO with Blair (I personally thought that was more on Blair, as I don't think he took that handoff tight enough and didn't bring in the ball either), but regardless, this is not him taking over this game. And he did miss a layup, but again getting to the rim wasn't something we were doing at the end of this game. I'm not mad at that at all That was within the offense, he just missed. Dante played very well tonight. Not as well in the second half, but well nonetheless. Let's hope he does it against the Johnnies, also. The 40 minutes of hell is not great to freshmen, let's see if Dante can change that mold. He came in and suddenly it became a 9 point lead for Nova and that was all she wrote. He’s young so he’s gaining experience and learning with each game but we’re gonna take our lumps til we have better point guard play in the stretch. Ok but again, Jalen Harris was in when our lead went from 13 to being down one, before Dante got back in. Dante was much better in the first half and we was much better scoring the ball. I think Jalen will probably be the better option against the pressure (though I am very scared of our TO potential there, and Dante might be the better ball handler), but Dante was much better this game. Much better. He's young and needs experience and was on the floor during that period, but that doesn't mean he tried to takeover that game. His offense during that stretch wasn't good. But, he wasn't the reason we lost nor did he try to takeover this game. I think that assessment was very extreme. The freshman has to learn, and I want him to get enough experience to learn. I think Dante is a better defender and I don't think he would've given up those shots to Gillespie, though Jalen would probably be the more calm player down that stretch. Both have their benefits and drawbacks. Though, I am confident that Dante was better today and should've played more.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 11, 2020 23:48:53 GMT -5
He came in and suddenly it became a 9 point lead for Nova and that was all she wrote. He’s young so he’s gaining experience and learning with each game but we’re gonna take our lumps til we have better point guard play in the stretch. Ok but again, Jalen Harris was in when our lead went from 13 to being down one, before Dante got back in. Dante was much better in the first half and we was much better scoring the ball. I think Jalen will probably be the better option against the pressure (though I am very scared of our TO potential there, and Dante might be the better ball handler), but Dante was much better this game. Much better. He's young and needs experience and was on the floor during that period, but that doesn't mean he tried to takeover that game. His offense during that stretch wasn't good. But, he wasn't the reason we lost nor did he try to takeover this game. I think that assessment was very extreme. The freshman has to learn, and I want him to get enough experience to learn. I think Dante is a better defender and I don't think he would've given up those shots to Gillespie, though Jalen would probably be the more calm player down that stretch. Both have their benefits and drawbacks. Though, I am confident that Dante was better today and should've played more. I think it's like what Madden said. When a team thinks it has two starting QB's they really have no starting QBs. Right now I don't think we have a legit point guard. Jalen's sloppiness is worrisome but I'm not as down on him as many on here. I think he does a lot of good things and helps facilitate and let Blair play off ball by setting him up. However he seems to get overexcited if doing well and then mentally collapses. Like that one game he was doing really well, then had the dunk and then fell apart after that. Or this game where he played really well when we got up by 20 but then started to fall apart with mental lapses. I think with Dante the hope is obviously that he's a rookie and freshman and he's make those rookie mistakes. And really this is still Kenner League for him and in a couple more games it would be a Bahamas type tournament. He's probably still just finishing OCC by the end of January 2021. So I think in February he may put it all together and take on a much bigger role.
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Post by mdtd on Dec 11, 2020 23:55:33 GMT -5
Ok but again, Jalen Harris was in when our lead went from 13 to being down one, before Dante got back in. Dante was much better in the first half and we was much better scoring the ball. I think Jalen will probably be the better option against the pressure (though I am very scared of our TO potential there, and Dante might be the better ball handler), but Dante was much better this game. Much better. He's young and needs experience and was on the floor during that period, but that doesn't mean he tried to takeover that game. His offense during that stretch wasn't good. But, he wasn't the reason we lost nor did he try to takeover this game. I think that assessment was very extreme. The freshman has to learn, and I want him to get enough experience to learn. I think Dante is a better defender and I don't think he would've given up those shots to Gillespie, though Jalen would probably be the more calm player down that stretch. Both have their benefits and drawbacks. Though, I am confident that Dante was better today and should've played more. I think it's like what Madden said. When a team thinks it has two starting QB's they really have no starting QBs. Right now I don't think we have a legit point guard. Jalen's sloppiness is worrisome but I'm not as down on him as many on here. I think he does a lot of good things and helps facilitate and let Blair play off ball by setting him up. However he seems to get overexcited if doing well and then mentally collapses. Like that one game he was doing really well, then had the dunk and then fell apart after that. Or this game where he played really well when we got up by 20 but then started to fall apart with mental lapses. I think with Dante the hope is obviously that he's a rookie and freshman and he's make those rookie mistakes. And really this is still Kenner League for him and in a couple more games it would be a Bahamas type tournament. He's probably still just finishing OCC by the end of January 2021. So I think in February he may put it all together and take on a much bigger role. Yeah, I agree here completely. And I think with the more chances that Dante has, I think the quicker/better he can be when he's called on to be a leader and to take on that bigger role. He's shown flashes for sure, and I think he can put it all together.
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 12, 2020 1:18:11 GMT -5
Jalen needs to start shooting the 3 at least once a half. Defenses keep collapsing when he has the ball....and it’s the same drive which more often than not leads to a turnover. Harris on the other hand looked poised and aggressive. Very impressed by what I saw. He’s arguably ahead of where Mariel was as a frosh.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 12, 2020 5:50:03 GMT -5
Jalen has never been an efficient shooter. You can’t expect a grad transfers to change into something he isn’t. The PG position may be our Achilles heel this year. Dante gives you a lot more, but he is only a freshman.
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Post by paranoia2 on Dec 12, 2020 6:13:52 GMT -5
Dante Harris can PLAY. He is on the come up...
Dante has BALLS too. I like his defensive stance. Jalen Harris seems like a good guy but for this team to get any kind of traction this year Dante needs to start playing more minutes at PG.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 12, 2020 6:25:29 GMT -5
The main thing Jalen is doing better than Dante is actually passing. Hopefully as Dante gets more confident in his shot and continues to exploit his speed, he will be able to drop some dimes once defenses scramble to stop his dribble penetration.
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Post by the_way on Dec 12, 2020 13:07:41 GMT -5
What was Dante's recruiting ranking?
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 12, 2020 13:12:41 GMT -5
What was Dante's recruiting ranking? Believe he was a 2* when he committed - clearly outplaying his ranking at this point.
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Post by the_way on Dec 12, 2020 13:43:55 GMT -5
What was Dante's recruiting ranking? Believe he was a 2* when he committed - clearly outplaying his ranking at this point. Interesting. Very interesting.
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Post by trillesthoya on Dec 12, 2020 13:54:53 GMT -5
He has 16 points through five games. Really like what I’ve seen from him too but I would slow down a bit on whether or not he’s over performing based on rank.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2020 14:27:39 GMT -5
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Post by the_way on Dec 12, 2020 15:31:35 GMT -5
He has 16 points through five games. Really like what I’ve seen from him too but I would slow down a bit on whether or not he’s over performing based on rank. As long as he gives 100% effort(which he does) and plays through his mistakes due to inexperience, that is all that matters.
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Post by swhoya on Dec 12, 2020 19:05:16 GMT -5
He has 16 points through five games. Really like what I’ve seen from him too but I would slow down a bit on whether or not he’s over performing based on rank. As long as he gives 100% effort(which he does) and plays through his mistakes due to inexperience, that is all that matters. This is The Way. (Sorry. Had to be done if it hadn’t already)
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Dec 12, 2020 20:35:37 GMT -5
He has 16 points through five games. Really like what I’ve seen from him too but I would slow down a bit on whether or not he’s over performing based on rank. 9 of them came in 13 minutes last night against a top 10 team. But the mere fact that he’s even a competent rotation player at this point indicates he’s already outperforming his rank.
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