RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jul 9, 2022 6:35:24 GMT -5
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 9, 2022 15:49:42 GMT -5
I work with someone who sits on the board of a top-20 institution, so I know how the USN&WR game is played. These rankings are a major focus and are gamed at every level.
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RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 11, 2022 22:13:59 GMT -5
I work with someone who sits on the board of a top-20 institution, so I know how the USN&WR game is played. These rankings are a major focus and are gamed at every level. Many things are (jokingly) called eleven-dimensional chess. USNWR rankings might be the only thing that actually qualifies. Anyway:
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RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Oct 7, 2022 11:05:54 GMT -5
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RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Nov 16, 2022 19:30:40 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 16, 2022 20:39:43 GMT -5
Methinks the Crimson protest too much.
HLS is #4 in the 2023 US News law rankings, behind Yale, Stanford and Chicago. Not good enough for the brahmin, so blame the messenger.
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RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Nov 16, 2022 23:09:38 GMT -5
Methinks the Crimson protest too much. HLS is #4 in the 2023 US News law rankings, behind Yale, Stanford and Chicago. Not good enough for the brahmin, so blame the messenger. Harvard and Yale took this particular plunge in cahoots
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 19, 2022 0:45:35 GMT -5
It would be interesting to see Harvard or Yale pull out of the undergraduate rankings and the domino effect to follow.
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RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Nov 19, 2022 9:50:24 GMT -5
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Post by Problem of Dog on Nov 24, 2022 14:06:51 GMT -5
Can't drop out of the T14 if you pull out of the rankings voluntarily.
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 24, 2022 16:31:21 GMT -5
USN&WR thought they had all the power. Now it’s clear that a few Ivies could put them on life support.
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nbhoya
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Post by nbhoya on Nov 25, 2022 9:41:47 GMT -5
Do schools really have to participate? Could USNWR not just keep ranking them?
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 25, 2022 10:40:50 GMT -5
Do schools really have to participate? Could USNWR not just keep ranking them? I guess USNWR could but its rankings methodology rely upon the institutions voluntarily providing data to it. If the institutions decline to do so, I believe the rankings become especially meaningless (as I think they are anyway). U.S. News relies on schools to accurately report their data. Every ranking factor above used data schools reported directly in U.S. News' surveys, enabling U.S. News to incorporate statistics not (yet) available from external sources. In addition to granting recency and access, their underlying definitions aligned with the 2021-2022 Common Data Set – a collaborative effort between publishers and higher education of which U.S. News is a participant. The CDS questions collect more refined, relevant data on undergraduates and the faculty who teach them than what is available from other sources. For example, the faculty data schools report to the federal government include preclinical and clinical medicine faculty, whereas the CDS-aligned data reported to U.S. News excluded such faculty who typically have limited interaction with undergraduates. www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/how-us-news-calculated-the-rankings
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RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jan 18, 2023 0:13:06 GMT -5
Med schools to follow in law schools' footsteps?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 18, 2023 6:45:09 GMT -5
Med schools to follow in law schools' footsteps? They will still be in the US News rankings, just not with data received directly from Harvard. This is less about rankings and more about showing that they are all-in on DEI.
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RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Feb 27, 2023 10:15:52 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see if the rankings retain their place in the social discourse when the institutions themselves stop cooperating...
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 27, 2023 10:39:35 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see if the rankings retain their place in the social discourse when the institutions themselves stop cooperating... The ratings don't need the schools--there is plenty of public data to build a methodology around. For some, no, many of the schools, it reads as institutional arrogance: "we are not cooperating because we are all so much better than what you say about us." For schools that need the rankings, however narrow, to support their activities ("#4 in regional Midwest schools for criminal justice"), they're not complaining.
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RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 26, 2023 22:38:23 GMT -5
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RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 29, 2023 8:46:50 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaguy on Mar 29, 2023 11:38:43 GMT -5
Personally I’ve thought about this for awhile because how much of rankings’ methodologies really matter to a prospective student. To me at least I would’ve liked to have picked criteria that actually matters to me (probably just evenly balance it) and see what it spits out. Off the top of my head I probably would’ve used something like post grad income, average debt/cost, freshmen retention rate, and maybe a satisfied with education/achieved goals survey/question. Because as the first generation in my family to attend a 4 year residential college, my desire was all about maximizing income while minimizing debt and trying to find a good/happy environment instead of looking at what “peers” think when everyone is obviously biased
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