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Post by happyhoya1979 on Sept 5, 2019 20:51:04 GMT -5
I take the word of the Expert who did the briefing. What media he used is of no interest to me. A rear admiral is not a weather expert. Again, it’s a violation of the US Code to alter a weather report. He's the guy in charge of the briefing and the expert. He is the one who is accountable.
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Post by prhoya on Sept 5, 2019 20:53:39 GMT -5
A rear admiral is not a weather expert. Again, it’s a violation of the US Code to alter a weather report. He's the guy in charge of the briefing and the expert. He is the one who is accountable. He has to report to the President. He’s not the weather expert. He briefs the President with what the expert told him. But maybe he can tell Congress who sharpied the weather map.
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 5, 2019 21:15:51 GMT -5
Why does it have to be all or nothing for you trump people? It’s ok to admit when he makes mistakes. You still get the tax cuts and concentration camps you really want.
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Post by boxout05 on Sept 5, 2019 21:44:30 GMT -5
Was there ever a model that showed Alabama could be hit? Undoubtedly. Was "Alabama" ever spoken or included on a graphic during his Sunday AM briefing? Maybe. (The Admiral did say his briefing addressed the possibility of Alabama getting tropical storm winds...that possibility could be 0%, it could be 0.00001%. Certainy how I'd word a mealy-mouthed justification.)
However, by Sunday AM the preponderance of data showed that Alabama was relatively safe. Considering he nixed a trip to Poland to monitor the hurricane, you'd think he'd stay on top of the most recent information. Maybe he missed a few updates while he was golfing?
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 5, 2019 21:54:44 GMT -5
He got All Bahamas and Alabama mixed up.
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Post by tashoya on Sept 6, 2019 19:56:39 GMT -5
He got All Bahamas and Alabama mixed up. This would have made me laugh if it weren't entirely possible and maybe even probable.
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 6, 2019 22:24:03 GMT -5
You guys never give up. I think I will be reading about some study that proves Coast Guard officers lie more than average people or use black blotchy pens more on average than other people. By the way, I have never seen Hannity have to eat a story like Lawrence O'Donnell did last week. He is a lot closer to Howard K Smith and Edward R. Murrow than many commentators you could mention. Maybe I'm overtired. I could have sworn that the above compares supershill Sean Hannity to Edward R. Murrow and Howard K. Smith. They are similar in that they are all human beings. The similarity ends there. How about Donald Trump = his idol, Roy Cohn?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 6, 2019 22:50:08 GMT -5
By the way, I have never seen Hannity have to eat a story like Lawrence O'Donnell did last week. He is a lot closer to Howard K Smith and Edward R. Murrow than many commentators you could mention. This is not grounded in fact. Howard K. Smith (A.B. Tulane, Rhodes Scholar) and Ed Murrow (A.B. Washington State) were journalists first and foremost. Smith worked as reporter at the New Orleans Item, United Press, the New York Times, CBS, and finally ABC. Murrow worked for CBS for 26 years. Smith did commentaries as a fill-in to the ABC newscast, while Murrow's commentaries were his eventual downfall. His career tailed off after he was reassigned to host "Person to Person", the 1950's equivalent to the Barbara Walters interviews, and didn't get the evening news job that went to Douglas Edwards and later, Walter Cronkite. Sean Hannity did not complete college and has never held a job in journalism. After seven years in construction, he got a job in radio as a volunteer to a college radio station and has been working the talk show circuit ever since. The journalists at Fox (Shepard Smith, Bret Baier, Chris Wallace, the former Carl Cameron, etc.) have their bonafides in reporting, to which Hannity does not, as evidenced by his conduct in the Seth Rich story. Even Bill O'Reilly has more of a journalism background than does Hannity, with 10 years in local TV in Denver, Dallas, and Boston. For that matter, neither is Lawrence O'Donnell. The MSNBC prime time rotation (Chris Hayes, Rachel Maddow, O'Donnell) are provocateurs just like their Fox brethren--after all, it's where Tucker Carlson got his start. O'Donnell was an author before getting into work on the Hill for Sen. D.P. Moynihan. Had he employed any journalism experience, he would have walked away from the Deutsche Bank story and NBC should have cut him right there. He remains because he is an entertainer that talks about the news.
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 6, 2019 23:02:25 GMT -5
By the way, I have never seen Hannity have to eat a story like Lawrence O'Donnell did last week. He is a lot closer to Howard K Smith and Edward R. Murrow than many commentators you could mention. This is not grounded in fact. Howard K. Smith (A.B. Tulane, Rhodes Scholar) and Ed Murrow (A.B. Washington State) were journalists first and foremost. Smith worked as reporter at the New Orleans Item, United Press, the New York Times, CBS, and finally ABC. Murrow worked for CBS for 26 years. Smith did commentaries as a fill-in to the ABC newscast, while Murrow's commentaries were his eventual downfall. His career tailed off after he was reassigned to host "Person to Person", the 1950's equivalent to the Barbara Walters interviews, and didn't get the evening news job that went to Douglas Edwards and later, Walter Cronkite. Sean Hannity did not complete college and has never held a job in journalism. He got a job in radio at 20 and has been working the talk show circuit ever since. The journalists at Fox (Shepard Smith, Bret Baier, Chris Wallace, the former Carl Cameron, etc.) have their bonafides in reporting, to which Hannity does not, as evidenced by his conduct in the Seth Rich story. Even Bill O'Reilly has more of a journalism background than does Hannity, with 10 years in local TV in Denver, Dallas, and Boston. For that matter, neither is Lawrence O'Donnell. The MSNBC prime time rotation (Chris Hayes, Rachel Maddow, O'Donnell) are provocateurs just like their Fox brethren--after all, it's where Tucker Carlson got his start. O'Donnell was an author before getting into work on the Hill for Sen. D.P. Moynihan. Had he employed any journalism experience, he would have walked away from the Deutsche Bank story and NBC should have cut him right there. He remains because he is an entertainer that talks about the news. Pretty sure Chris Hayes was a reporter prior to getting into television...
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 6, 2019 23:11:01 GMT -5
Pretty sure Chris Hayes was a reporter prior to getting into television... According to his bio, Hayes was a contributor (free lancer) to the Chicago Reader and then received a fellowship at The Nation. While there's some elements of advocacy journalism there, it's not like he worked in local TV or for the Associated Press.
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Sept 7, 2019 10:05:42 GMT -5
I guess you don't view cable television as a form of journalism. You may have a point there. In television, college graduation is an incidental qualification to the core skill of attracting, holding and influencing the audience. Peter Jennings never graduated from college either. Hannity is in the same business doing commentaries as any of these other people (current like O'Donnell or past like Murrow and Smith), only he has the widest audience, and reach.
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Post by prhoya on Sept 7, 2019 10:19:12 GMT -5
I guess you don't view cable television as a form of journalism. You may have a point there. In television, college graduation is an incidental qualification to the core skill of attracting, holding and influencing the audience. Peter Jennings never graduated from college either. Hannity is in the same business doing commentaries as any of these other people (current like O'Donnell or past like Murrow and Smith), only he has the widest audience, and reach. What is Hannity saying about Alabama/Dorian/Trump?
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Sept 7, 2019 10:22:22 GMT -5
I honestly don't know. Was out last night at a cultural event.
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 7, 2019 10:23:42 GMT -5
I honestly don't know. Was out last night at a cultural event. Don’t forget to wash your hood today.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 11:47:52 GMT -5
Why don't they go on record?
A NOAA meteorologist: “This is the first time I’ve felt pressure from above to not say what truly is the forecast.”
Agency sent similar message warning scientists & meteorologists not to speak out on Sept. 4, after Trump showed hurricane map from Aug. 29 modified with a hand-drawn, half-circle in black Sharpie around Alabama.
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Sept 8, 2019 15:38:29 GMT -5
In my high school journalism class I would have received a C- given out in charity because I spent so much time on the story.
A NOAA Meteorologist said "xxxx"-another magnificent off the record coward. "They were told"-another magnificent use of the passive voice. Pressure "from above" which could be anything from heaven to loose beams to overbearing bosses-another magnificent use of ambiguous prose. "The Agency" another magnificent amorphous body that takes on human actions. "warning" a word which is usually not used vaguely and is accompanied by a stated consequence
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Sept 8, 2019 15:43:49 GMT -5
In fact, the whole article could serve as a text book example as what a piece of journalism should not be.
And the advice in the directive to just state what the forecast is and not comment one way or the other seems to be sound advice and hopefully standard policy for what these folks do.
I am troubled by the "Trump, with no evidence" statement which since we have direct on the record testimony of the Government Official who led the briefing. This statement in the Post is an outright lie.
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Sept 8, 2019 16:36:39 GMT -5
You can disagree with Trump's evidence, say the person giving it that Trump would refer to is lying, say it is weak, say in the statement that "it is evidence which this reporter thinks is bogus", say it is contradicted, but you can't in a serious publication say that the evidence does not exist.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 17:49:37 GMT -5
Your response to an article that describes how the leadership at the NOAA was strong arming it’s scientists to not contradict the President, your response is why aren’t they going on record to contradict the President... 🤔
If I provide an email that backs up this claim what will be your response?
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Sept 8, 2019 18:08:31 GMT -5
If you can find an on the record hero at NOAA that says directly he/she was strong armed by the President or by NOAA's senior leadership. as opposed to these Washington Post armies of "off the record cowards" I will be convinced.
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