IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Feb 26, 2020 20:51:07 GMT -5
Travel halfway across the continent to recruit a player who will never come to Georgetown at the same time spend less time focusing on recruiting the DMV. Smart. Might help explain why we are bringing up the rear in the BE. Right. I’m sure that’s the reason. Couldn’t be because...doesn’t matter. God forbid we try to be more than a regional school. Here’s a total guess: if you look at the top 25, EVERY SINGLE ONE recruits outside of their immediate area. Every dang one. So no. This isn’t the reason we are struggling right now. Help explain, not the full reason. WE ARE NOT ANYWHERE NEAR A TOP 25 SCHOOL.
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Post by swhoya on Feb 26, 2020 20:57:44 GMT -5
Right. I’m sure that’s the reason. Couldn’t be because...doesn’t matter. God forbid we try to be more than a regional school. Here’s a total guess: if you look at the top 25, EVERY SINGLE ONE recruits outside of their immediate area. Every dang one. So no. This isn’t the reason we are struggling right now. Help explain, not the full reason. WE ARE NOT ANYWHERE NEAR A TOP 25 SCHOOL. Exactly. But they didn’t get to be top 25 by limiting themselves. Heck. I live close to Lubbock. There should be no reason Texas Tech attracts players from across the country but they do. If you seriously think the reason we are struggling is because we dare to recruit nationally, I can’t imagine this will be a productive discussion.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Feb 26, 2020 21:02:39 GMT -5
You need to walk before you run. Hoyas are barely above crawling. And yes I feel part of the reason we are struggling is because we can’t recruit the most fertile basketball area in NA. I agree this will be a pointless discussion. Too many fans have their heads buried in their you know what’s. You are what your record says you are, 8th in the BE and 4 games below .500.
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Post by nbhoya on Feb 26, 2020 21:17:34 GMT -5
Right. I’m sure that’s the reason. Couldn’t be because...doesn’t matter. God forbid we try to be more than a regional school. Here’s a total guess: if you look at the top 25, EVERY SINGLE ONE recruits outside of their immediate area. Every dang one. So no. This isn’t the reason we are struggling right now. Help explain, not the full reason. WE ARE NOT ANYWHERE NEAR A TOP 25 SCHOOL. Our budget is. We’re probably a top 35 historical program. You’ve gotta expand the net.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Feb 26, 2020 21:23:39 GMT -5
5-9 ( about to be 10 ) and sitting in 8th in a conference and you want to talk about historical angles? Or how much money their budget is?? Means squat. Need wins on the court before wins off it will come. Focus on what you can do. Kids in the 75-125 range and coach them up.
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Post by chep3 on Feb 26, 2020 23:20:21 GMT -5
Travel halfway across the continent to recruit a player who will never come to Georgetown at the same time spend less time focusing on recruiting the DMV. Smart. Might help explain why we are bringing up the rear in the BE. Right. I’m sure that’s the reason. Couldn’t be because...doesn’t matter. God forbid we try to be more than a regional school. Here’s a total guess: if you look at the top 25, EVERY SINGLE ONE recruits outside of their immediate area. Every dang one. So no. This isn’t the reason we are struggling right now. Recruiting outside of the area might not be the reason we are struggling right now. But our inability to recruit our area is probably one of the reasons we are struggling right now. I'm all for recruiting nationally--particularly where we have some sort of in (e.g., Khalil Whitney, Cole Anthony)--but our bread and butter should be DC to NY. And by failing for the past 8-10 years to recruit well locally with any consistency, national recruiting has gone from being a nice supplement to something we rely on. That, in my opinion, is a problem.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Feb 26, 2020 23:43:07 GMT -5
Guys, we have no chance with kids like this right now. And it doesn't seem like Ewing has the recruiting chops to ever recruit kids like this who don't have some ties to the immediate area.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Feb 27, 2020 5:26:36 GMT -5
Right. I’m sure that’s the reason. Couldn’t be because...doesn’t matter. God forbid we try to be more than a regional school. Here’s a total guess: if you look at the top 25, EVERY SINGLE ONE recruits outside of their immediate area. Every dang one. So no. This isn’t the reason we are struggling right now. Recruiting outside of the area might not be the reason we are struggling right now. But our inability to recruit our area is probably one of the reasons we are struggling right now. I'm all for recruiting nationally--particularly where we have some sort of in (e.g., Khalil Whitney, Cole Anthony)--but our bread and butter should be DC to NY. And by failing for the past 8-10 years to recruit well locally with any consistency, national recruiting has gone from being a nice supplement to something we rely on. That, in my opinion, is a problem. Recruiting high level kids outside the area means less time in and around DC. Which then means you have to scramble and take a chance on a kid you may not know as well when recruit A passes on you. Stay within your limits. Kids 75-125. And stop flying to around the country. Would love to land Mutumbo but that’s not going to happen. At least the old man tried unlike JJ.
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Post by bostonfan on Feb 27, 2020 8:00:11 GMT -5
Guys, we have no chance with kids like this right now. And it doesn't seem like Ewing has the recruiting chops to ever recruit kids like this who don't have some ties to the immediate area. I don't have a problem with the staff recruiting highly rated recruits if they get feedback from the recruit that there is a legit chance he comes to Georgetown. I don't think it makes sense to just give up on every top 50 recruit just because other big programs are pursuing them. There are no guarantees in recruiting, but if you don't pursue a kid who shows some interest then you have no chance at all. As many people have said it is about making a connection with the player and his family and then finding the right kid who wants to be part of what your trying to develop. Not every top 50 kid goes to a blue blood program, so it works for other programs and can work at Georgetown, it just has not happened yet for the staff. At the same time, I don't think chasing kids just because they are highly rated makes sense. The staff has to be able to determine quickly if the kid has real interest in Georgetown, and if the player is just being respectful to Coach Ewing because he was an NBA All Star, then move on quickly. There is only so much money and hours in the day that can be devoted to recruiting, and using those resources wisely is key. The one thing about this Holmgren kid that scares me, is he looks so much like the Will Baker kid who decided to go to Texas and has been awful as a freshman. I just don't see this kid being a great fit for the way Ewing seems to want to play. I know he is highly rated by people who pay a lot more attention to recruiting than I do, but I am underwhelmed watching his highlights.
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 27, 2020 10:10:24 GMT -5
Guys, we have no chance with kids like this right now. And it doesn't seem like Ewing has the recruiting chops to ever recruit kids like this who don't have some ties to the immediate area. I don't have a problem with the staff recruiting highly rated recruits if they get feedback from the recruit that there is a legit chance he comes to Georgetown. I don't think it makes sense to just give up on every top 50 recruit just because other big programs are pursuing them. There are no guarantees in recruiting, but if you don't pursue a kid who shows some interest then you have no chance at all. As many people have said it is about making a connection with the player and his family and then finding the right kid who wants to be part of what your trying to develop. Not every top 50 kid goes to a blue blood program, so it works for other programs and can work at Georgetown, it just has not happened yet for the staff. At the same time, I don't think chasing kids just because they are highly rated makes sense. The staff has to be able to determine quickly if the kid has real interest in Georgetown, and if the player is just being respectful to Coach Ewing because he was an NBA All Star, then move on quickly. There is only so much money and hours in the day that can be devoted to recruiting, and using those resources wisely is key. The one thing about this Holmgren kid that scares me, is he looks so much like the Will Baker kid who decided to go to Texas and has been awful as a freshman. I just don't see this kid being a great fit for the way Ewing seems to want to play. I know he is highly rated by people who pay a lot more attention to recruiting than I do, but I am underwhelmed watching his highlights. Chet is a totally different style player than Will....Will is back to the basket while Chet can make plays off the bounce for himself and others...Gurus remind me, don't we have a in through Yurt7? Aren't they from the same country?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 27, 2020 13:17:58 GMT -5
Guys, we have no chance with kids like this right now. And it doesn't seem like Ewing has the recruiting chops to ever recruit kids like this who don't have some ties to the immediate area. I don't have a problem with the staff recruiting highly rated recruits if they get feedback from the recruit that there is a legit chance he comes to Georgetown. I don't think it makes sense to just give up on every top 50 recruit just because other big programs are pursuing them. There are no guarantees in recruiting, but if you don't pursue a kid who shows some interest then you have no chance at all. As many people have said it is about making a connection with the player and his family and then finding the right kid who wants to be part of what your trying to develop. Not every top 50 kid goes to a blue blood program, so it works for other programs and can work at Georgetown, it just has not happened yet for the staff. At the same time, I don't think chasing kids just because they are highly rated makes sense. The staff has to be able to determine quickly if the kid has real interest in Georgetown, and if the player is just being respectful to Coach Ewing because he was an NBA All Star, then move on quickly. There is only so much money and hours in the day that can be devoted to recruiting, and using those resources wisely is key. The one thing about this Holmgren kid that scares me, is he looks so much like the Will Baker kid who decided to go to Texas and has been awful as a freshman. I just don't see this kid being a great fit for the way Ewing seems to want to play. I know he is highly rated by people who pay a lot more attention to recruiting than I do, but I am underwhelmed watching his highlights. This. You can't limit your recruiting to a tight regional area and succeed in the long run. But you do have to develop the ability to know when you have a legitimate chance with a highly rated player. You also have to have an effective local recruiter with the right connections. Patrick and the staff have been all over the area, seems someone us going to games pretty much every night we don't play. But we need that extra connection to be able to close on kids. Patrick's total recruiting experience is less than 3 years. I think he is still trying to hit home runs, especially since December when our needs suddenly multiplied. Hopefully he fine tunes his recruiting and the program succeeds.
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Post by bostonfan on Feb 27, 2020 13:26:14 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with the staff recruiting highly rated recruits if they get feedback from the recruit that there is a legit chance he comes to Georgetown. I don't think it makes sense to just give up on every top 50 recruit just because other big programs are pursuing them. There are no guarantees in recruiting, but if you don't pursue a kid who shows some interest then you have no chance at all. As many people have said it is about making a connection with the player and his family and then finding the right kid who wants to be part of what your trying to develop. Not every top 50 kid goes to a blue blood program, so it works for other programs and can work at Georgetown, it just has not happened yet for the staff. At the same time, I don't think chasing kids just because they are highly rated makes sense. The staff has to be able to determine quickly if the kid has real interest in Georgetown, and if the player is just being respectful to Coach Ewing because he was an NBA All Star, then move on quickly. There is only so much money and hours in the day that can be devoted to recruiting, and using those resources wisely is key. The one thing about this Holmgren kid that scares me, is he looks so much like the Will Baker kid who decided to go to Texas and has been awful as a freshman. I just don't see this kid being a great fit for the way Ewing seems to want to play. I know he is highly rated by people who pay a lot more attention to recruiting than I do, but I am underwhelmed watching his highlights. This. You can't limit your recruiting to a tight regional area and succeed in the long run. But you do have to develop the ability to know when you have a legitimate chance with a highly rated player. You also have to have an effective local recruiter with the right connections. Patrick and the staff have been all over the area, seems someone us going to games pretty much every night we don't play. But we need that extra connection to be able to close on kids. Patrick's total recruiting experience is less than 3 years. I think he is still trying to hit home runs, especially since December when our needs suddenly multiplied. Hopefully he fine tunes his recruiting and the program succeeds. I support putting more effort/resources into the local area, there is so much talent playing within 2 hours of the school, but Georgetown and Ewing should be able to have some success on a national basis also, if they can find the right players who are clearly interested. It seems like Kirby has been pretty effective getting recruits to commit and Ewing seems to be able to close the deal in some cases, but the program has really struggled in the DMV area. Not sure which assistant/recruiter is responsible for that area (or it that is even how they break up the recruiting responsibilities) but Coach Ewing might need to look at a change of direction on how we are recruiting locally or who is doing that, so they can see some more success.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 27, 2020 13:48:53 GMT -5
Guys, we have no chance with kids like this right now. And it doesn't seem like Ewing has the recruiting chops to ever recruit kids like this who don't have some ties to the immediate area. I don't have a problem with the staff recruiting highly rated recruits if they get feedback from the recruit that there is a legit chance he comes to Georgetown. I don't think it makes sense to just give up on every top 50 recruit just because other big programs are pursuing them. There are no guarantees in recruiting, but if you don't pursue a kid who shows some interest then you have no chance at all. As many people have said it is about making a connection with the player and his family and then finding the right kid who wants to be part of what your trying to develop. Not every top 50 kid goes to a blue blood program, so it works for other programs and can work at Georgetown, it just has not happened yet for the staff. At the same time, I don't think chasing kids just because they are highly rated makes sense. The staff has to be able to determine quickly if the kid has real interest in Georgetown, and if the player is just being respectful to Coach Ewing because he was an NBA All Star, then move on quickly. There is only so much money and hours in the day that can be devoted to recruiting, and using those resources wisely is key. The one thing about this Holmgren kid that scares me, is he looks so much like the Will Baker kid who decided to go to Texas and has been awful as a freshman. I just don't see this kid being a great fit for the way Ewing seems to want to play. I know he is highly rated by people who pay a lot more attention to recruiting than I do, but I am underwhelmed watching his highlights. Holmgren isn't a top 50 player, he's a top 5 player, there's a big difference between the two groups in my view... Quincy Allen or Benny Williams or Frankie Collins are top 50 type kids who I have no problem with the staff chasing hard.. Imho chasing players like Holmgren or Paolo Banchero Isn't the best use of their time and energy...
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Post by prhoya on Feb 27, 2020 14:02:29 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with the staff recruiting highly rated recruits if they get feedback from the recruit that there is a legit chance he comes to Georgetown. I don't think it makes sense to just give up on every top 50 recruit just because other big programs are pursuing them. There are no guarantees in recruiting, but if you don't pursue a kid who shows some interest then you have no chance at all. As many people have said it is about making a connection with the player and his family and then finding the right kid who wants to be part of what your trying to develop. Not every top 50 kid goes to a blue blood program, so it works for other programs and can work at Georgetown, it just has not happened yet for the staff. At the same time, I don't think chasing kids just because they are highly rated makes sense. The staff has to be able to determine quickly if the kid has real interest in Georgetown, and if the player is just being respectful to Coach Ewing because he was an NBA All Star, then move on quickly. There is only so much money and hours in the day that can be devoted to recruiting, and using those resources wisely is key. The one thing about this Holmgren kid that scares me, is he looks so much like the Will Baker kid who decided to go to Texas and has been awful as a freshman. I just don't see this kid being a great fit for the way Ewing seems to want to play. I know he is highly rated by people who pay a lot more attention to recruiting than I do, but I am underwhelmed watching his highlights. Holmgren isn't a top 50 player, he's a top 5 player, there's a big difference between the two groups in my view... Quincy Allen or Benny Williams or Frankie Collins are top 50 type kids who I have no problem with the staff chasing hard.. Imho chasing players like Holmgren or Paolo Banchero Isn't the best use of their time and energy... Chase bigs Chet and Cisse hard. Pat being Pat, he should chase the top bigs every year. We’re BigManU, for God’s sake, and he’s the reason we are it. We should be in that hunt every year. I agee that we shouldn’t be chasing top 30 guards and wings. Built a solid program and they will come.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Feb 27, 2020 16:55:57 GMT -5
Big Man U is outdated and in the past. Focus on players that play a more modern style of basketball if you want success.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Feb 27, 2020 16:57:47 GMT -5
Big Man U is outdated and in the past. Focus on players that play a more modern style of basketball if you want success. Like Chet.
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Post by trillesthoya on Feb 27, 2020 17:09:03 GMT -5
Idk if we'd have any idea how to even use a Chet. Never seen a kid with that kind of skillset in program history. Don't the the Hornets ever had a guy like that either for Ewing to coach up.
That said, I doubt anyone currently coaching D1 basketball has either lol. Regardless, Chet does not fit the "Big Man U" mould for sure if that's what you're looking for.
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Post by kbones17 on Feb 27, 2020 17:27:28 GMT -5
Chet has had some positive things to say about PE/GTown so I’d stay on him at this point. But I do agree we have been spending too much time and resources focusing on 4/5 star recruits out of our region that have little connection or chance of ever coming.
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Post by justsaying on Feb 27, 2020 17:59:20 GMT -5
Jarmari Sibley, WI 4* we landed him
Tyler Beard, Ill just maybe a underated as a 3 and probably could have been in that 4* category, we landed him
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Post by Problem of Dog on Feb 27, 2020 17:59:51 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with the staff recruiting highly rated recruits if they get feedback from the recruit that there is a legit chance he comes to Georgetown. I don't think it makes sense to just give up on every top 50 recruit just because other big programs are pursuing them. There are no guarantees in recruiting, but if you don't pursue a kid who shows some interest then you have no chance at all. As many people have said it is about making a connection with the player and his family and then finding the right kid who wants to be part of what your trying to develop. Not every top 50 kid goes to a blue blood program, so it works for other programs and can work at Georgetown, it just has not happened yet for the staff. At the same time, I don't think chasing kids just because they are highly rated makes sense. The staff has to be able to determine quickly if the kid has real interest in Georgetown, and if the player is just being respectful to Coach Ewing because he was an NBA All Star, then move on quickly. There is only so much money and hours in the day that can be devoted to recruiting, and using those resources wisely is key. The one thing about this Holmgren kid that scares me, is he looks so much like the Will Baker kid who decided to go to Texas and has been awful as a freshman. I just don't see this kid being a great fit for the way Ewing seems to want to play. I know he is highly rated by people who pay a lot more attention to recruiting than I do, but I am underwhelmed watching his highlights. Holmgren isn't a top 50 player, he's a top 5 player, there's a big difference between the two groups in my view... Quincy Allen or Benny Williams or Frankie Collins are top 50 type kids who I have no problem with the staff chasing hard.. Imho chasing players like Holmgren or Paolo Banchero Isn't the best use of their time and energy... Quincy Allen isn't a high major player, so I do have an issue there, but I get your point. If Ewing had shown he could recruit out of a national footprint like Juwan Howard or even Avery Johnson did, then it might make sense. But right now, we don't have the recruiters to sell a program that is thousands of miles away, in a conference that does not get a lot of love out of the region, and hasn't been a tourney team for years.
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