rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on May 15, 2020 19:48:02 GMT -5
How about stop recruiting top 20 guys because we don't want the program bashers to have to eat crow when we land one? How about we win games, not finish 9th in the conference and not have half our team bail in a few month period? Then stop recruiting kids that pay lip service to our coach and our program from 25 years ago. It’s sad to see this fan base not realize we are one step ahead of DePaul. To your last sentence I think everyone realizes that - you’re not some savant with this uncanny vision to see things that are borne out with data, everyone else sees us flailing too. Some around here aren’t ready to lie down yet though, you make it sound like you threw in the towel months ago when you expect (and seemingly root for) the results to repeat themselves, if nothing else so you can claim you saw something others didn’t. I think everyone around here realizes we haven’t advanced in the BET in years and haven’t won multiple games in the tourney in like a decade.....it’s not a hidden fact. Some things go without saying, but thanks again for reminding everyone.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on May 15, 2020 20:16:45 GMT -5
Never said lay down. I actually believe Pat will become a great college coach but he needs to learn from his mistakes. Stop wasting time on kids that aren’t coming here. Focus on kids that will come and contribute in the program they way they were recruited to do. He also needs a new staff, young hungry dogs who can develop kids and relate to a different generation of kids. Pat can turn it around but kids like Chet aren’t the answer.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on May 15, 2020 20:23:19 GMT -5
Never said lay down. I actually believe Pat will become a great college coach but he needs to learn from his mistakes. Stop wasting time on kids that aren’t coming here. Focus on kids that will come and contribute in the program they way they were recruited to do. He also needs a new staff, young hungry dogs who can develop kids and relate to a different generation of kids. Pat can turn it around but kids like Chet aren’t the answer. I can respect that. To me, your tone reads like you’re throwing in the towel but it’s a message board it happens
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on May 16, 2020 6:17:30 GMT -5
As Gretzky said, “you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.” And you fail to sign100% of the kids you fail to recruit.
I saw somewhere that 2020 Top 10 recruits were more dispersed than ever before. Even Oklahoma State pulled in a Top 10 player. This stop recruiting narrative doesn’t seem wise to me.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on May 16, 2020 6:44:43 GMT -5
As Gretzky said, “you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.” And you fail to sign100% of the kids you fail to recruit. I saw somewhere that 2020 Top 10 recruits were more dispersed than ever before. Even Oklahoma State pulled in a Top 10 player. This stop recruiting narrative doesn’t seem wise to me. And there’s consequences for chasing players that have no real desire to become a Hoya. And we’ve seen what happens when you recruit players at the last moment because your first handful of targets chose another school. Bringing in kids you’ve recruited for half an hour doesn’t give you enough time to do your research or intel. As we saw this season. I really like the crew the program has brought in for this class. Not star studded but seemingly a good fit. Now slowly add some more talent, talent that fits but also you can legitimately land. Not OAD’s looking for a handout.
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 16, 2020 6:49:59 GMT -5
I like the fact that Pat goes after top recruits. He seems to cast a wide net. I also like how he picks up the unheralded second leading scorer for top programs. These are kids that have gone up against the best and succeed. The problem I had with JT3 was that he tended to put all his eggs in one basket and scrambled once we missed out.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on May 16, 2020 7:54:51 GMT -5
As Gretzky said, “you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.” And you fail to sign100% of the kids you fail to recruit. I saw somewhere that 2020 Top 10 recruits were more dispersed than ever before. Even Oklahoma State pulled in a Top 10 player. This stop recruiting narrative doesn’t seem wise to me. And there’s consequences for chasing players that have no real desire to become a Hoya. And we’ve seen what happens when you recruit players at the last moment because your first handful of targets chose another school. Bringing in kids you’ve recruited for half an hour doesn’t give you enough time to do your research or intel. As we saw this season. I really like the crew the program has brought in for this class. Not star studded but seemingly a good fit. Now slowly add some more talent, talent that fits but also you can legitimately land. Not OAD’s looking for a handout. Not sure which consequences you’re imagining...you’re being vague because there’s nothing to point to...
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on May 16, 2020 9:13:33 GMT -5
How about stop recruiting top 20 guys because we don't want the program bashers to have to eat crow when we land one? How about we win games, not finish 9th in the conference and not have half our team bail in a few month period? Then stop recruiting kids that pay lip service to our coach and our program from 25 years ago. It’s sad to see this fan base not realize we are one step ahead of DePaul. A very short step.
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Post by njhoyalawya on May 16, 2020 9:20:05 GMT -5
How about we win games, not finish 9th in the conference and not have half our team bail in a few month period? Then stop recruiting kids that pay lip service to our coach and our program from 25 years ago. It’s sad to see this fan base not realize we are one step ahead of DePaul. A very short step. I think people do see where we are. Just some are not as "doom and gloom" as others. No doubt there are problems, but there is not going to be a coaching change at this point and the current staff seems determined to make this successful. Time will tell. Next year (if we play) will be an important one.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on May 16, 2020 9:51:08 GMT -5
And there’s consequences for chasing players that have no real desire to become a Hoya. And we’ve seen what happens when you recruit players at the last moment because your first handful of targets chose another school. Bringing in kids you’ve recruited for half an hour doesn’t give you enough time to do your research or intel. As we saw this season. I really like the crew the program has brought in for this class. Not star studded but seemingly a good fit. Now slowly add some more talent, talent that fits but also you can legitimately land. Not OAD’s looking for a handout. Not sure which consequences you’re imagining...you’re being vague because there’s nothing to point to... If you could do it over, would you want Akinjo? Alexander? You recruit kids in a short time span because they suddenly become available or you just find out about them, but the reality is you haven’t really gotten to know them or delve too deeply into who they are. Those consequences have hit this program hard.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on May 16, 2020 9:51:57 GMT -5
I think people do see where we are. Just some are not as "doom and gloom" as others. No doubt there are problems, but there is not going to be a coaching change at this point and the current staff seems determined to make this successful. Time will tell. Next year (if we play) will be an important one. I don’t think they do see where the program is.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on May 16, 2020 10:31:00 GMT -5
Not sure which consequences you’re imagining...you’re being vague because there’s nothing to point to... If you could do it over, would you want Akinjo? Alexander? You recruit kids in a short time span because they suddenly become available or you just find out about them, but the reality is you haven’t really gotten to know them or delve too deeply into who they are. Those consequences have hit this program hard. What do those factors have to do with recruiting too flight talent? And yes I’d absolutely take Alexander again.
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Eurostar
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Post by Eurostar on May 16, 2020 10:43:14 GMT -5
Players from non blue blood schools get drafted in the lottery all the time. If the kid is highly ranked and has expressed an interest in Georgetown, we have to recruit. If we stop going after top targets, then there is no realistic hope to get back to Final 4 caliber teams. Half of you people say that the problem with the teams in the last 5 or so years has been lack of top major talent. How are we going to get top major talent if we don't recruit them? We landed Greg Monroe when he was the #1 ranked recruit.
Need to set the bar high. We Are Georgetown. Awesome city and part of the country to live in, top notch education, NBA HOF coach, track record getting guys into the league, NBA arena, new on campus facilities.
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Post by njhoyalawya on May 16, 2020 10:54:34 GMT -5
I think people do see where we are. Just some are not as "doom and gloom" as others. No doubt there are problems, but there is not going to be a coaching change at this point and the current staff seems determined to make this successful. Time will tell. Next year (if we play) will be an important one. I don’t think they do see where the program is. You can ask them? lol I tend to look for the positive, but do realize where we are, and would say that if asked ....
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 16, 2020 12:24:53 GMT -5
Every Hoya fan realizes that the program is at or near the bottom of the Big East, that it is extremely otimistic to expect anything above 9th or 10th place next season, and that 11th would not be a shock. But we can hope for a little better without being labelled delusional. The odds are certainly against a team with only 3 returning players, and a recruiting class that is less than overwhelming on paper, and at best would be expected to take 2 or even 3 years to develop together.
And we all know that Ewing's results on the court have been disappointing so far, and that the off-court issues and transfers just magnify the concerns.
But in any program there will be some fans who are overly optimistic, which can lead to exaggerating what they believe to be silver linings. Just like in any program there will be some fans who tend to focus almost exclusively on the negative developments.
These characterizations of "giant" groups of Pollyanna types who ignore all realities just aren't accurate.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on May 16, 2020 12:31:56 GMT -5
Can we keep the Chet thread on Chet?
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hoyas315
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Post by hoyas315 on Jun 12, 2020 17:10:07 GMT -5
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Post by hoyas315 on Jun 22, 2020 15:14:49 GMT -5
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Post by hoyas315 on Jun 22, 2020 15:17:55 GMT -5
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dchoya72
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Post by dchoya72 on Jun 22, 2020 21:25:15 GMT -5
It would be great to pull this guy. Would be big, but he can play #4!
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