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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 12, 2019 14:36:07 GMT -5
Gonzaga's Mark Few was in earlier this week as well. Hoping Coach Ewing makes a trip soon to see Holmgren...
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Sept 12, 2019 16:40:45 GMT -5
I'll second that, Hoyas4Ever. Holmgren was impressed with Ewing and the Hilltop. We need to pursue him aggressively.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 17:40:30 GMT -5
Love his game, but I think resources would be better spent elsewhere..
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 12, 2019 18:13:47 GMT -5
Love his game, but I think resources would be better spent elsewhere.. You think Coach Ewing visiting Banchero in Seattle is a better use of resources?
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 12, 2019 18:14:24 GMT -5
Love his game, but I think resources would be better spent elsewhere.. No offense, YaBoy, but you always rushing in to throw the wet blanket whenever folks get excitable about Holmgren. But this kid is one who name-dropped Ewing during a Q&A and even mentioned how the two of them text one another often. Those small remarks displayed a sort of enthusiasm for Ewing that other recruits whom we have either successfully or failed to recruit over the past two years failed to demonstrate in interviews. Whatever the chances are for Gtown to get him, the kid has formed some sort of cordial bond with Ewing, actually made a visit to Gtown and came away gushing about the campus and facilities. You really want Ewing to stop recruiting THIS guy? You were also pushing for Cisse as a more realistic, even if unlikely, option for the team, but that kid appears to have sold himself to Memphis already if reports from various sources are to be taken seriously. Count me as one who wants Ewing to stay locked in on Holmgren.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 18:17:42 GMT -5
Love his game, but I think resources would be better spent elsewhere.. No offense, YaBoy, but you always rushing in to throw the wet blanket whenever folks get excitable about Holmgren. But this kid is one who name-dropped Ewing during a Q&A and even mentioned how the two of them text one another often. Those small remarks displayed a sort of enthusiasm for Ewing that other recruits whom we have either successfully or failed to recruit over the past two years failed to demonstrate in interviews. Whatever the chances are for Gtown to get him, the kid has formed some sort of cordial bond with Ewing, actually made a visit to Gtown and came away gushing about the campus and facilities. You really want Ewing to stop recruiting THIS guy? You were also pushing for Cisse as a more realistic, even if unlikely, option for the team, but that kid appears to have sold himself to Memphis already if reports from various sources are to be taken seriously. Count me as one who wants Ewing to stay locked in on Holmgren. No offense taken. He's a long shot and still more realistic than this kid. Since he moved own to Memphis though not sure how much tim I'd spend on him either tbh.
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Post by prhoya on Sept 12, 2019 18:20:23 GMT -5
Love his game, but I think resources would be better spent elsewhere.. Why? He is interested.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 18:21:23 GMT -5
Love his game, but I think resources would be better spent elsewhere.. You think Coach Ewing visiting Banchero in Seattle is a better use of resources? Nope. Unless they have some built in connection I'm not aware of I don't see it working out in our favor. I will say this, since it's likely to be a short recruitment I don't mind it as much, but definitely not expecting anything. Unless the staff has a built in connection ala Cole Anthony it's not really worth going after these types of kids right now in my view...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 18:21:53 GMT -5
Love his game, but I think resources would be better spent elsewhere.. Why? He is interested. Kind of, but not really imo...
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Post by prhoya on Sept 12, 2019 18:24:09 GMT -5
Kind of, but not really imo... I think if Pat takes the leading recruiting role on this one, we have a great chance of getting him or being there until the end.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 18:29:58 GMT -5
Kind of, but not really imo... I think if Pat takes the leading recruiting role on this one, we have a great chance of getting him or being there until the end. I fell you but it only really matters if you win.... My feeling is they could lock in on a kid in the 25-40 range and win that battle by showing him a lot of love. Depending on the kid there's not a lot of difference in impact to your program in the long run mainly because those kids usually stay around for multiple years, but are still high level players. I wish we were trying to recruit like UVA more than UK. They can win those battles more easily. Kyle Guy #32 rsci. Ty Jerome #46 rsci Either way I hope it works out in our favor regardless, and I'm not a future teller, so I guess we'll see..
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 12, 2019 18:55:59 GMT -5
You think Coach Ewing visiting Banchero in Seattle is a better use of resources? Nope. Unless they have some built in connection I'm not aware of I don't see it working out in our favor. I will say this, since it's likely to be a short recruitment I don't mind it as much, but definitely not expecting anything. Unless the staff has a built in connection ala Cole Anthony it's not really worth going after these types of kids right now in my view... So if the staff has a connection with Banchero, your okay with them recruiting him. Yet the staff has a connection with Holmgren. He has established an interest on his part by choosing to visit the campus, staff and team on his own dime. The staff has been obviously recruiting Holmgren for some amount of time before visited the campus. He has mentioned in a recent interview that he's in contact with Coach Ewing more then any other college coach, and you believe the staff should just quit recruiting him and use their resources elsewhere? I get it you feel the staff's sweet spot is recruiting kids "ranked" between 40-200. Usually I agree with you on that but if you have an elite player taking the time & money to come see you and showing you interest, you have to pursue and see where it takes you. That's like having. a really smart & attractive women hitting on you decide not to pursue her because you already have in your mind that it's not going to work out. We don't know if Holmgren or his family has Georgetown ties, grow up a fan of the Hoyas, or weirdly actually interested in the academic opportunities unique to Georgetown. I'm not saying the staff should be chasing all the "5⭐" prospects but when you have one showing you interest you gotta see where it goes especially one that is 2 classes out. You can recruit multiple prospects of the same position at the same time. They can recruit Holmgren and if by next spring they feel there is no traction, they have plenty of time to pivot. The staff can walk & chew gum at the same time....
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 12, 2019 18:57:56 GMT -5
At least with Holmgren I'm not worried about Gtown matching up with the home state team...unless the Gophers start paying him or something.
Anyway its all about personal connections as gurus like to say.
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Post by MCIGuy on Sept 12, 2019 19:00:07 GMT -5
Nope. Unless they have some built in connection I'm not aware of I don't see it working out in our favor. I will say this, since it's likely to be a short recruitment I don't mind it as much, but definitely not expecting anything. Unless the staff has a built in connection ala Cole Anthony it's not really worth going after these types of kids right now in my view... So if the staff has a connection with Banchero, your okay with them recruiting him. Yet the staff has a connection with Holmgren. He has established an interest on his part by choosing to visit the campus, staff and team on his own dime. The staff has been obviously recruiting Holmgren for some amount of time before visited the campus. He has mentioned in a recent interview that he's in contact with Coach Ewing more then any other college coach, and you believe the staff should just quit recruiting him and use their resources elsewhere? I get it you feel the staff's sweet spot is recruiting kids "ranked" between 40-200. Usually I agree with you on that but if you have an elite player taking the time & money to come see you and showing you interest, you have to pursue and see where it takes you. That's like having. a really smart & attractive women hitting on you decide not to pursue her because you already have in your mind that it's not going to work out. We don't know if Holmgren or his family has Georgetown ties, grow up a fan of the Hoyas, or weirdly actually interested in the academic opportunities unique to Georgetown. I'm not saying the staff should be chasing all the "5⭐" prospects but when you have one showing you interest you gotta see where it goes especially one that is 2 classes out. You can recruit multiple prospects of the same position at the same time. They can recruit Holmgren and if by next spring they feel there is no traction, they have plenty of time to pivot. The staff can walk & chew gum at the same time.... I agree with every word of this.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 12, 2019 19:09:09 GMT -5
I think if Pat takes the leading recruiting role on this one, we have a great chance of getting him or being there until the end. I fell you but it only really matters if you win.... My feeling is they could lock in on a kid in the 25-40 range and win that battle by showing him a lot of love. Depending on the kid there's not a lot of difference in impact to your program in the long run mainly because those kids usually stay around for multiple years, but are still high level players. I wish we were trying to recruit like UVA more than UK. They can win those battles more easily. Kyle Guy #32 rsci. Ty Jerome #46 rsci Either way I hope it works out in our favor regardless, and I'm not a future teller, so I guess we'll see.. You don't know where Holmgren will fall in the "rankings" two years out. He might end up being in that "25-40 ranking" when it's all said and done. Players "rankings" move all over the place during their last two years of high school. Some shoot up the rankings out of nowhere and others fall. I personally don't give 2 $hits about rankings. If you think the young man can play and help you win and he's showing mutual interest, you gotta pursue. You'll never win making assumptions about the outcome...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 19:11:59 GMT -5
Nope. Unless they have some built in connection I'm not aware of I don't see it working out in our favor. I will say this, since it's likely to be a short recruitment I don't mind it as much, but definitely not expecting anything. Unless the staff has a built in connection ala Cole Anthony it's not really worth going after these types of kids right now in my view... So if the staff has a connection with Banchero, your okay with them recruiting him. Yet the staff has a connection with Holmgren. He has established an interest on his part by choosing to visit the campus, staff and team on his own dime. The staff has been obviously recruiting Holmgren for some amount of time before visited the campus. He has mentioned in a recent interview that he's in contact with Coach Ewing more then any other college coach, and you believe the staff should just quit recruiting him and use their resources elsewhere? I get it you feel the staff's sweet spot is recruiting kids "ranked" between 40-200. Usually I agree with you on that but if you have an elite player taking the time & money to come see you and showing you interest, you have to pursue and see where it takes you. That's like having. a really smart & attractive women hitting on you decide not to pursue her because you already have in your mind that it's not going to work out. We don't know if Holmgren or his family has Georgetown ties, grow up a fan of the Hoyas, or weirdly actually interested in the academic opportunities unique to Georgetown. I'm not saying the staff should be chasing all the "5⭐" prospects but when you have one showing you interest you gotta see where it goes especially one that is 2 classes out. You can recruit multiple prospects of the same position at the same time. They can recruit Holmgren and if by next spring they feel there is no traction, they have plenty of time to pivot. The staff can walk & chew gum at the same time.... That’s not a connection, or I should say the type I’m talking about. Patrick Ewing playing with Cole Anthony’s dad and knowing him since he was a baby is a connection. In the end he chose UNC who has his Godfather, Hubert Davis on staff. I think the staff can pull kids in the 25-40 range also if the recruit them like 5 stars. Especially if they are local.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 19:20:20 GMT -5
I fell you but it only really matters if you win.... My feeling is they could lock in on a kid in the 25-40 range and win that battle by showing him a lot of love. Depending on the kid there's not a lot of difference in impact to your program in the long run mainly because those kids usually stay around for multiple years, but are still high level players. I wish we were trying to recruit like UVA more than UK. They can win those battles more easily. Kyle Guy #32 rsci. Ty Jerome #46 rsci Either way I hope it works out in our favor regardless, and I'm not a future teller, so I guess we'll see.. You don't know where Holmgren will fall in the "rankings" two years out. He might end up being in that "25-40 ranking" when it's all said and done. Players "rankings" move all over the place during their last two years of high school. Some shoot up the rankings out of nowhere and others fall. I partially don't give 2 $hits about rankings. If you think the young man can play and help you win and he's showing mutual interest, you gotta pursue. You'll never win making assumptions about the outcome... Unless he has a major major injury that’s not going to happen. He’s more likely to be in the conversation for best player in the class imo.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 12, 2019 19:48:45 GMT -5
So if the staff has a connection with Banchero, your okay with them recruiting him. Yet the staff has a connection with Holmgren. He has established an interest on his part by choosing to visit the campus, staff and team on his own dime. The staff has been obviously recruiting Holmgren for some amount of time before visited the campus. He has mentioned in a recent interview that he's in contact with Coach Ewing more then any other college coach, and you believe the staff should just quit recruiting him and use their resources elsewhere? I get it you feel the staff's sweet spot is recruiting kids "ranked" between 40-200. Usually I agree with you on that but if you have an elite player taking the time & money to come see you and showing you interest, you have to pursue and see where it takes you. That's like having. a really smart & attractive women hitting on you decide not to pursue her because you already have in your mind that it's not going to work out. We don't know if Holmgren or his family has Georgetown ties, grow up a fan of the Hoyas, or weirdly actually interested in the academic opportunities unique to Georgetown. I'm not saying the staff should be chasing all the "5⭐" prospects but when you have one showing you interest you gotta see where it goes especially one that is 2 classes out. You can recruit multiple prospects of the same position at the same time. They can recruit Holmgren and if by next spring they feel there is no traction, they have plenty of time to pivot. The staff can walk & chew gum at the same time.... That’s not a connection, or I should say the type I’m talking about. Patrick Ewing playing with Cole Anthony’s dad and knowing him since he was a baby is a connection. In the end he chose UNC who has his Godfather, Hubert Davis on staff. You want layups. The easy way! A Cole Anthony situation doesn't happen but maybe once in a generation. When they do happen they don't always workout. Look at Ben Simmons. He got the staff at LSU fired. That's another topic. Recruiting is hard work. By your logic, every time the staff is recruiting a prospect and one of the "Blue Bloods" starts showing interest,they should pack up & move on to another prospect, connections and interest be Damned. What if this year's squad makes a Final 4 run? You can't predict the future. If you would have told me three years ago that Texas Tech would have been playing for a National Championship, or Loyola Chicago would be a Final 4 team three years out, I would have LMAO. Not every top players is on the take $$$. As of today, Holmgren IMO is not a one & done because his body is going to need to develop a bit more. He makes college KD look chunky. It's not about Holmgren's "ranking", it's about his game and how he feels about Georgetown & vice versa. To stop recruiting him 2 years out because of assumptions, insecurities, or both is weak minded. It's as if Georgetown isn't worthy of the top talent or doesn't have a lot to offer them. By your theory, Coach Thompson shouldn't have recruited Patrick Ewing. Sometimes you gotta step outside of your comfort zone and go after what you want to become great.
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Post by prhoya on Sept 12, 2019 19:48:53 GMT -5
There was more traffic for Cole in front of him here than at UNC. The Tar Heels lost six key rotation players, including their five leading scorers. He has the PG all for himself. If he picked GU, then he would have had to shared it with Akinjo. At UNC, he'll get to play 35 mpg for one year and be gone.
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 12, 2019 20:53:46 GMT -5
Nope. Unless they have some built in connection I'm not aware of I don't see it working out in our favor. I will say this, since it's likely to be a short recruitment I don't mind it as much, but definitely not expecting anything. Unless the staff has a built in connection ala Cole Anthony it's not really worth going after these types of kids right now in my view... So if the staff has a connection with Banchero, your okay with them recruiting him. Yet the staff has a connection with Holmgren. He has established an interest on his part by choosing to visit the campus, staff and team on his own dime. The staff has been obviously recruiting Holmgren for some amount of time before visited the campus. He has mentioned in a recent interview that he's in contact with Coach Ewing more then any other college coach, and you believe the staff should just quit recruiting him and use their resources elsewhere? I get it you feel the staff's sweet spot is recruiting kids "ranked" between 40-200. Usually I agree with you on that but if you have an elite player taking the time & money to come see you and showing you interest, you have to pursue and see where it takes you. That's like having. a really smart & attractive women hitting on you decide not to pursue her because you already have in your mind that it's not going to work out. We don't know if Holmgren or his family has Georgetown ties, grow up a fan of the Hoyas, or weirdly actually interested in the academic opportunities unique to Georgetown. I'm not saying the staff should be chasing all the "5⭐" prospects but when you have one showing you interest you gotta see where it goes especially one that is 2 classes out. You can recruit multiple prospects of the same position at the same time. They can recruit Holmgren and if by next spring they feel there is no traction, they have plenty of time to pivot. The staff can walk & chew gum at the same time.... Fwiw Holmgren visited while he was in the area for the NBPA top 100 camp, not sure if his family has to pay to attend or not but it wasn't like he went out of his way. He also took visits to UVA & Maryland during that time... Again fwiw, In the interview by 247 on 8/15 that Holmgren mentioned PE texting him a lot he was later asked about possible official visits he stated “I want to go see Gonzaga, get down to Purdue, Texas, Ohio State and then figure out my last one,” I believe you have to sort out the love for PE the basketball legend and the interest in PE the coach of Gtown when reading recruiting information...
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