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Post by Ranch Dressing on Jul 8, 2019 7:25:57 GMT -5
Seems that only after a couple Kenner games, the projected lineup and depth chart is precisely what most of us expect...
James and Mac at guards with Jagan and Blair off the bench. Not expecting much from Allen at this point.
Pickett v. Alexander v. Gardner at the 3. Losers back up the winner and all may get spot minutes at the 4 too.
Leblanc at the 4. No natural backup.
Yurt at the 5 with Q backing up the 5, and maybe some 4 too. Wilson is an understudy in Year 1. Tim-Iggy a major question mark at this point.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 8, 2019 7:57:31 GMT -5
Ranch, mostly agree, but I think that projected lineup is seriously underestimating Allen.
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Post by prhoya on Jul 8, 2019 8:27:27 GMT -5
Ranch, mostly agree, but I think that projected lineup is seriously underestimating Allen. Exactly, esp. when Allen is a proven NCAAT player used to facilitating to a big. His 4.3 assistspg is second only to Akinjo’s avg and no one else on our roster is close. Next one is Jagan at 2.2.
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Post by professorhoya on Jul 8, 2019 8:56:18 GMT -5
Ranch, mostly agree, but I think that projected lineup is seriously underestimating Allen. Yea, Allen will be the 3rd Guard. And backup/starting point if Akinjo is out. He has legitimate handles and is fast and a true point guard. I'm actually not sure how much time Jagan and Blair will get since Galen Alexander has handles and can play shooting guard.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jul 8, 2019 9:11:23 GMT -5
Ranch, mostly agree, but I think that projected lineup is seriously underestimating Allen. Yea, Allen will be the 3rd Guard. And backup/starting point if Akinjo is out. He has legitimate handles and is fast and a true point guard. I'm actually not sure how much time Jagan and Blair will get since Galen Alexander has handles and can play shooting guard. Jagan plays good D and racks up charges on D. Blair is a bucket getter with a scary handle (in a bad way). Every player on this team has + skills which will allow Ewing to plug & play as needed. People love slotting guys into a line-up but I think you will see fluid line-ups based off of match-ups. Everybody was saying player X was transferring forgetting about what player X brings to the table. Let's enjoy these kids who want to stay four years versus writing them off if they don't take off in year one. The one thing I noted in Kenner is Ewing has a vision for his line-up not only this year but in the future. Wahab/Wilson/Ighoefe will be desperately needed next year with minimal time this year. That makes sense for kids who aren't five star centers. Mosely & Allen fill a spot this year for D & back up handling that will be gone next year. Our recruiting is reflecting that need. This is going to be the key to building a perennial tourney team that can make extended 2nd weekend runs.
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Post by beenaround on Jul 8, 2019 9:20:20 GMT -5
Allen is a very good defender..possibly the best we have at the guard position. Can also handle and distribute. He will play plenty.
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Post by professorhoya on Jul 8, 2019 9:23:08 GMT -5
Yea, Allen will be the 3rd Guard. And backup/starting point if Akinjo is out. He has legitimate handles and is fast and a true point guard. I'm actually not sure how much time Jagan and Blair will get since Galen Alexander has handles and can play shooting guard. Jagan plays good D and racks up charges on D. Blair is a bucket getter with a scary handle (in a bad way). Every player on this team has + skills which will allow Ewing to plug & play as needed. People love slotting guys into a line-up but I think you will see fluid line-ups based off of match-ups. Everybody was saying player X was transferring forgetting about what player X brings to the table. Let's enjoy these kids who want to stay four years versus writing them off if they don't take off in year one. The one thing I noted in Kenner is Ewing has a vision for his line-up not only this year but in the future. Wahab/Wilson/Ighoefe will be desperately needed next year with minimal time this year. That makes sense for kids who aren't five star centers. Mosely & Allen fill a spot this year for D & back up handling that will be gone next year. Our recruiting is reflecting that need. This is going to be the key to building a perennial tourney team that can make extended 2nd weekend runs. Allen was a 30 min starter on an NCAA tourney team that probably goes even further if not for the Duke shenanigans. He’s a proven commodity.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 10:42:02 GMT -5
Allen needs structure to be effective. He's not going to blow you away in a Summer league setting, so I wouldn't worry too much about his Kenner league performance.
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Post by SoCal Hoya85 on Jul 8, 2019 10:44:18 GMT -5
Seems that only after a couple Kenner games, the projected lineup and depth chart is precisely what most of us expect... James and Mac at guards with Jagan and Blair off the bench. Not expecting much from Allen at this point. Pickett v. Alexander v. Gardner at the 3. Losers back up the winner and all may get spot minutes at the 4 too. Leblanc at the 4. No natural backup. Yurt at the 5 with Q backing up the 5, and maybe some 4 too. Wilson is an understudy in Year 1. Tim-Iggy a major question mark at this point. I mostly agree with this. I had Myron starting at the three but am guessing it will be Alexander now based on reports. Saw Allen play and waa underwhelmed. I think he gives you exaxtly what Mosley gives you--above average d, low turnovers, shoot only as last option. I think only one of this duo will play significant backup minutes. I give the edge to Allen for now as he has a tighter handle and the stats say at least he should be able to hit the 3 at a higher clip. Dont think we see Q at the 4 at all. Not his natural position and we will need him to back up Omer if he gets in foul trouble or needs a breather. More likely we see alexander or pickett slide down. I was impressed with Omers stamina, you dont get 30 in a half without hustling your butt off and being in good shape.
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Post by smokeyjack on Jul 8, 2019 11:32:01 GMT -5
Seems that only after a couple Kenner games, the projected lineup and depth chart is precisely what most of us expect... James and Mac at guards with Jagan and Blair off the bench. Not expecting much from Allen at this point. Pickett v. Alexander v. Gardner at the 3. Losers back up the winner and all may get spot minutes at the 4 too. Leblanc at the 4. No natural backup. Yurt at the 5 with Q backing up the 5, and maybe some 4 too. Wilson is an understudy in Year 1. Tim-Iggy a major question mark at this point. I mostly agree with this. I had Myron starting at the three but am guessing it will be Alexander now based on reports. Saw Allen play and waa underwhelmed. I think he gives you exaxtly what Mosley gives you--above average d, low turnovers, shoot only as last option. I think only one of this duo will play significant backup minutes. I give the edge to Allen for now as he has a tighter handle and the stats say at least he should be able to hit the 3 at a higher clip. Dont think we see Q at the 4 at all. Not his natural position and we will need him to back up Omer if he gets in foul trouble or needs a breather. More likely we see alexander or pickett slide down. I was impressed with Omers stamina, you dont get 30 in a half without hustling your butt off and being in good shape. Agree with a lot of this. Think we'll see more Myron and Blair than I expected and a little less Allen and Pickett based on first few in-person impressions. Yurt and Galen are straight-up studs who start from Day 1.
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Post by calhoya on Jul 8, 2019 12:00:29 GMT -5
First weekend of Kenner. Fairly wide-open unstructured playing style with little defense and a bunch of players who are not used to each other. Seems a little early to speculate on line-ups and roles for the coming year. Much better feel after we see this group as a team in August.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Jul 8, 2019 12:29:53 GMT -5
First weekend of Kenner. Fairly wide-open unstructured playing style with little defense and a bunch of players who are not used to each other. Seems a little early to speculate on line-ups and roles for the coming year. Much better feel after we see this group as a team in August. Cal, it's never too early to speculate!! Hahaha. Sample size of 2 games is certainly small and there is a lot of time and room to adjust expectations based on actual performance. However, I'm very glad to hear reports that 1) Yurt looks the part of a starting Big East center; and 2) Alexander is seemingly capable of playing the 3 position (and possibly the 2 and 4) effectively in the Big East. We add those pieces to James, Mac, and Josh a year older as sophomores, it's hard to imagine the team not improving upon the 2018-19 campaign.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 8, 2019 13:04:24 GMT -5
First weekend of Kenner. Fairly wide-open unstructured playing style with little defense and a bunch of players who are not used to each other. Seems a little early to speculate on line-ups and roles for the coming year. Much better feel after we see this group as a team in August. Cal, it's never too early to speculate!! Hahaha. Sample size of 2 games is certainly small and there is a lot of time and room to adjust expectations based on actual performance. However, I'm very glad to hear reports that 1) Yurt looks the part of a starting Big East center; and 2) Alexander is seemingly capable of playing the 3 position (and possibly the 2 and 4) effectively in the Big East.We add those pieces to James, Mac, and Josh a year older as sophomores, it's hard to imagine the team not improving upon the 2018-19 campaign. You needed Kenner to tell you that Yurt7 could compete as a starting Center in the BIG EAST after he averaged 13 & 7 with 2 BPG as a sophomore in another high level and very comparable ACC?? Also the staff has yet to whiff on a recruit. They have brought in 5 BIG EAST All Freshman Team members. Transfers like Malinowski and Dickerson have had successful moments. So I expect Alexander who was a JUCO All American to contribute in the BIG EAST. Outside of seeing the freshman, I don't think Kenner tells anyone anything. Calhoya is right. We will learn more from the week in the Bahamas then the month in Kenner. To many people let essentially pick-up games dictate what they think of players. There is no upside for the players to play hard in this rec league type setting..
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 8, 2019 13:19:36 GMT -5
The folks I expect to start and contribute have brought it the first weekend of Kenner.
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Post by wponds on Jul 8, 2019 13:42:36 GMT -5
Haven't been to a game yet - and sorry if this has already been mentioned - but is the 3 point line the new distance? or the old one? Haven't had a chance to read this page in full
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Post by SoCal Hoya85 on Jul 8, 2019 13:48:32 GMT -5
Haven't been to a game yet - and sorry if this has already been mentioned - but is the 3 point line the new distance? or the old one? Haven't had a chance to read this page in full New distance
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Post by professorhoya on Jul 8, 2019 14:23:20 GMT -5
Haven't been to a game yet - and sorry if this has already been mentioned - but is the 3 point line the new distance? or the old one? Haven't had a chance to read this page in full They have both lines painted. some times I see players go to the old line. MacClung did that on one of his makes.
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Post by professorhoya on Jul 8, 2019 14:51:40 GMT -5
First weekend of Kenner. Fairly wide-open unstructured playing style with little defense and a bunch of players who are not used to each other. Seems a little early to speculate on line-ups and roles for the coming year. Much better feel after we see this group as a team in August. Actually it's always been a highly accurate gauge of who can actually play and who can't, or the borderline guys who will make the NBA. It's especially true for the transfers and freshmen.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Jul 8, 2019 15:26:21 GMT -5
Cal, it's never too early to speculate!! Hahaha. Sample size of 2 games is certainly small and there is a lot of time and room to adjust expectations based on actual performance. However, I'm very glad to hear reports that 1) Yurt looks the part of a starting Big East center; and 2) Alexander is seemingly capable of playing the 3 position (and possibly the 2 and 4) effectively in the Big East.We add those pieces to James, Mac, and Josh a year older as sophomores, it's hard to imagine the team not improving upon the 2018-19 campaign. You needed Kenner to tell you that Yurt7 could compete as a starting Center in the BIG EAST after he averaged 13 & 7 with 2 BPG as a sophomore in another high level and very comparable ACC?? Also the staff has yet to whiff on a recruit. They have brought in 5 BIG EAST All Freshman Team members. Transfers like Malinowski and Dickerson have had successful moments. So I expect Alexander who was a JUCO All American to contribute in the BIG EAST. Outside of seeing the freshman, I don't think Kenner tells anyone anything. Calhoya is right. We will learn more from the week in the Bahamas then the month in Kenner. To many people let essentially pick-up games dictate what they think of players. There is no upside for the players to play hard in this rec league type setting.. Somebody has a bad case of the Mondays, Mr. Grumpity McGrumps. I'm just sayin' in the sleepy doldrums of summer that it's great fun to receive reports from Kenner confirming that Yurt and Galen look every part the players we expect to make an immediate impact. Bright, new, fun days lie ahead...!
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Post by SoCal Hoya85 on Jul 8, 2019 16:19:51 GMT -5
Cal, it's never too early to speculate!! Hahaha. Sample size of 2 games is certainly small and there is a lot of time and room to adjust expectations based on actual performance. However, I'm very glad to hear reports that 1) Yurt looks the part of a starting Big East center; and 2) Alexander is seemingly capable of playing the 3 position (and possibly the 2 and 4) effectively in the Big East.We add those pieces to James, Mac, and Josh a year older as sophomores, it's hard to imagine the team not improving upon the 2018-19 campaign. You needed Kenner to tell you that Yurt7 could compete as a starting Center in the BIG EAST after he averaged 13 & 7 with 2 BPG as a sophomore in another high level and very comparable ACC?? Also the staff has yet to whiff on a recruit. They have brought in 5 BIG EAST All Freshman Team members. Transfers like Malinowski and Dickerson have had successful moments. So I expect Alexander who was a JUCO All American to contribute in the BIG EAST. Outside of seeing the freshman, I don't think Kenner tells anyone anything. Calhoya is right. We will learn more from the week in the Bahamas then the month in Kenner. To many people let essentially pick-up games dictate what they think of players. There is no upside for the players to play hard in this rec league type setting.. I think Kenner can be useful when you look at efficency. Since ive been following and weve gotten pretty accurate stat data (starting with FLhoya and now with vv), ive seen players score a lot and not have great seasons, but i cant think of an example of a player that scored efficently in Kenner and went on to dissapoint during the regular season. Some great efficent Kenner season performances i remember (hopefully accurately) Roy junior/senior year, Freeman freshman year, derrikson before injuries. DSR. Rodney to an extent. Omer seems to be right up there. Defense is impossible to judge at least for me.
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