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Post by SSHoya on Jun 12, 2019 18:27:40 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 12, 2019 18:36:58 GMT -5
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 13, 2019 5:41:45 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 13, 2019 8:06:18 GMT -5
A misleading report on many fronts: 1. It conflates admissions spaces with those who play on a team, i.e, not all athletes are guaranteed admission by a school. 2. It doesn't explain the percentage of athletes to a school: Wisconsin has only 3 percent of athletes in its undergraduate student body compared to 10 percent for Georgetown...but has four times as many students. 3. The comments in the article below belie the narrative that someone with an admissions slot must be unqualified for admission when in many cases, they are qualified but athletic activity is an intangible plus in the process. It also fails to state the obvious: admissions slots help maintain the consistent ability to field teams at some schools. If no one was accepted at Williams on a regular basis that played baseball, for instance, what does that do to maintaining a team? 4. Those that argue for pure meritocracy in admissions argue from an ivory tower. If a college simply accepted the top 1500 people in its pool regardless of factors, does that put 80 percent in the business school and not enough to fill entire departments elsewhere? State schools have caps on out of state enrollment which may give a tip to the local kid at the expense of high caliber candidates elsehwere, but it is considered to be in the best interests of the state. Is it still the University "of" Michigan if most of its students aren't from Michigan? Then there's the other side of admissions. The Harvard lawsuit could win changes for its applicants at the expense of ending affirmative action. There are no easy answers. blogs.berkeley.edu/2019/02/11/affirmative-actions-last-stand-harvard-vs-sffa/
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Post by Elvado on Jun 13, 2019 8:27:27 GMT -5
A misleading report on many fronts: 1. It conflates admissions spaces with those who play on a team, i.e, not all athletes are guaranteed admission by a school. 2. It doesn't explain the percentage of athletes to a school: Wisconsin has only 3 percent of athletes in its undergraduate student body compared to 10 percent for Georgetown...but has four times as many students. 3. The comments in the article below belie the narrative that someone with an admissions slot must be unqualified for admission when in many cases, they are qualified but athletic activity is an intangible plus in the process. It also fails to state the obvious: admissions slots help maintain the consistent ability to field teams at some schools. If no one was accepted at Williams on a regular basis that played baseball, for instance, what does that do to maintaining a team? 4. Those that argue for pure meritocracy in admissions argue from an ivory tower. If a college simply accepted the top 1500 people in its pool regardless of factors, does that put 80 percent in the business school and not enough to fill entire departments elsewhere? State schools have caps on out of state enrollment which may give a tip to the local kid at the expense of high caliber candidates elsehwere, but it is considered to be in the best interests of the state. Is it still the University "of" Michigan if most of its students aren't from Michigan? Then there's the other side of admissions. The Harvard lawsuit could win changes for its applicants at the expense of ending affirmative action. There are no easy answers. blogs.berkeley.edu/2019/02/11/affirmative-actions-last-stand-harvard-vs-sffa/Well said. Admissions will always be, to some large extent, a whose ox got gored discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 11:47:22 GMT -5
1 day? That will stop them...
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Jun 13, 2019 11:59:24 GMT -5
Different fact pattern. It appears that he took the money he was paid and put it into the sailing program at Stanford, buying uniforms and the like, and did not keep any of the money for himself. He also pled guilty, instead of going through a trial. Not quite what the other coaches are accused of having done, and certainly not what the parents did.
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Post by seaweed on Jun 13, 2019 13:56:48 GMT -5
Different fact pattern. It appears that he took the money he was paid and put it into the sailing program at Stanford, buying uniforms and the like, and did not keep any of the money for himself. He also pled guilty, instead of going through a trial. Not quite what the other coaches are accused of having done, and certainly not what the parents did. $610000 buys a lot of sailing jerseys
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Jack
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Post by Jack on Sept 6, 2019 8:36:18 GMT -5
Scant details, but it appears there may still be more to come on Gordie Ernst (possible paywall):
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Post by seaweed on Sept 7, 2019 7:43:57 GMT -5
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Post by C86 on Sept 26, 2019 17:43:07 GMT -5
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Sept 27, 2019 13:42:28 GMT -5
They said that Lori Loughlin and her husband paid $500,000 to get their daughters into USC. So that is larger than was paid to Ernst, but Semprvivo's bribe was the largest based on a per student payment.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Sept 27, 2019 16:57:53 GMT -5
Can you use your 529 Plan for educational bribes? 😉
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Post by C86 on Oct 22, 2019 15:04:04 GMT -5
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Post by C86 on Dec 9, 2019 16:33:56 GMT -5
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 9, 2019 17:19:09 GMT -5
Hmmm. A bachelors degree was awarded to the defendant's son in May 2018...guessing that degree may not be worth the sheepskin upon which it's printed before long.
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on May 23, 2020 12:20:13 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 28, 2020 14:31:19 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 2, 2020 15:00:08 GMT -5
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Post by C86 on Sept 15, 2021 12:26:59 GMT -5
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