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Post by gav11 on Mar 12, 2019 20:48:28 GMT -5
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Post by drquigley on Mar 12, 2019 20:53:17 GMT -5
My reaction is that this scandal is sorta like "bribery for people who have a lot of money but not enough". Had these parents had real money, like $10+ million to give directly to these schools, then I'm sure there was some quasi-legal way for them to get their kids in (yes I'm talking to you Fred Trump). But they only had maybe $100-$500k so they needed the shortcuts this guy provided. As a 1968 grad whose parents, while not rich could afford the $3,000 a year tuition (including room and board) I find this whole mess a symptom of our country's dysfunctional system of higher education.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 12, 2019 23:24:53 GMT -5
My reaction is that this scandal is sorta like "bribery for people who have a lot of money but not enough". Had these parents had real money, like $10+ million to give directly to these schools, then I'm sure there was some quasi-legal way for them to get their kids in (yes I'm talking to you Fred Trump). But they only had maybe $100-$500k so they needed the shortcuts this guy provided. As a 1968 grad whose parents, while not rich could afford the $3,000 a year tuition (including room and board) I find this whole mess a symptom of our country's dysfunctional system of higher education. Innocent until proven guilty, I suppose. But Doc, there's an aspect of moral relativism to ths post that makes me think the real Dr. Quigley might not approve. Bribery is bribery. It's not bribery with qualification.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 12, 2019 23:37:19 GMT -5
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Post by ksf42001 on Mar 13, 2019 8:02:11 GMT -5
I'd personally like to know what Georgetown said to Rhode Island when they were performing reference checks. If it was done in writing, FOIAing URI would provide access.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 13, 2019 8:35:12 GMT -5
I'd personally like to know what Georgetown said to Rhode Island when they were performing reference checks. If it was done in writing, FOIAing URI would provide access. Ernst was a popular figure in RI and it begs the question what check was done at all. From a legal point of view GU probably couldn’t have said anything.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 13, 2019 8:40:00 GMT -5
I'd personally like to know what Georgetown said to Rhode Island when they were performing reference checks. If it was done in writing, FOIAing URI would provide access. Ernst was a popular figure in RI and it begs the question what check was done at all. From a legal point of view GU probably couldn’t have said anything. As noted by DFW, Ernst is a Brown alum and also in the Tennis Hall of Fame in Newport, RI. He's a homeboy --- no references required.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 13, 2019 8:55:39 GMT -5
Ernst was a popular figure in RI and it begs the question what check was done at all. From a legal point of view GU probably couldn’t have said anything. As noted by DFW, Ernst is a Brown alum and also in the Tennis Hall of Fame in Newport, RI. He's a homeboy --- no references required. Then this is really a "hear no evil, see no evil" act by URI. The GU Facebook coverage indicates that Ernst was placed on leave in December 2017 for "irregularities in his recruitment practices" and was later separated for violating "University rules concerning admissions." That's quite a pass for a homie.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 13, 2019 8:59:02 GMT -5
As noted by DFW, Ernst is a Brown alum and also in the Tennis Hall of Fame in Newport, RI. He's a homeboy --- no references required. Then this is really a "hear no evil, see no evil" act by URI. The GU Facebook coverage indicates that Ernst was placed on leave in December 2017 for "irregularities in his recruitment practices" and was later separated for violating "University rules concerning admissions." That's quite a pass for a homie. It is but URI also said that Ernst was not involved in recruiting and no current recruits are his on the URI tennis team. It's an inside deal for the homeboy. Yes, I am that cynical. The University of Rhode Island today was made aware of an indictment of head women’s tennis coach Gordon Ernst related to incidents that allegedly took place while he was head coach at Georgetown University. As a result, the University has placed Ernst on administrative leave while it continues to review the matter. Ernst was hired by URI in August 2018 as head coach. He has not been involved in the recruitment of any current players nor in the signing of any new recruits. today.uri.edu/news/gordon-ernst-statement/Ernst's family has deep roots in Rhode Island. Gordon Ernst played hockey and tennis at Brown University, Rollice Ernst said, graduating in 1990 after a semester off in Canada. The family didn’t worry much about his or his brother’s acceptance at Brown because Rollice Ernst’s father was a graduate in 1949 and a big fundraiser and booster for the university, so she hoped their academic and athletic abilities would allow them to attend. She has been proud of him, she said: “I still am.” Rollice Ernst was reading about the case Tuesday, she said. “These colleges, they do whatever they want. They have so many slots that they give coaches, a certain number of slots they give coaches so they can recruit . . . . As soon as you put money into the equation, they get upset, apparently.” When he left Georgetown, his lawyer assured him he did nothing illegal or immoral, Rollice Ernst said. “We’ll see; you never know how these things turn out.” www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/actors-designers-distillery-owners-here-are-some-of-those-charged-in-the-college-admissions-scheme/2019/03/12/3c2f5316-4500-11e9-8aab-95b8d80a1e4f_story.html?utm_term=.f47255da37a6
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Mar 13, 2019 9:10:24 GMT -5
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 13, 2019 9:17:03 GMT -5
Then this is really a "hear no evil, see no evil" act by URI. The GU Facebook coverage indicates that Ernst was placed on leave in December 2017 for "irregularities in his recruitment practices" and was later separated for violating "University rules concerning admissions." That's quite a pass for a homie. It is but URI also said that Ernst was not involved in recruiting and no current recruits are his on the URI tennis team. It's an inside deal for the homeboy. Yes, I am that cynical. The University of Rhode Island today was made aware of an indictment of head women’s tennis coach Gordon Ernst related to incidents that allegedly took place while he was head coach at Georgetown University. As a result, the University has placed Ernst on administrative leave while it continues to review the matter. Ernst was hired by URI in August 2018 as head coach. He has not been involved in the recruitment of any current players nor in the signing of any new recruits. today.uri.edu/news/gordon-ernst-statement/Perhaps nobody cares, but this is still a state school operating with public funds. There ought to be some egg on somebody's face. I don't find the "has not been involved in the recruitment of any current players nor in the signing of any new recruits" particularly exculpatory when we're talking about the head coach. Also note it does not say he was not involved in recruiting of anyone who was not signed.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 13, 2019 9:26:49 GMT -5
It is but URI also said that Ernst was not involved in recruiting and no current recruits are his on the URI tennis team. It's an inside deal for the homeboy. Yes, I am that cynical. The University of Rhode Island today was made aware of an indictment of head women’s tennis coach Gordon Ernst related to incidents that allegedly took place while he was head coach at Georgetown University. As a result, the University has placed Ernst on administrative leave while it continues to review the matter. Ernst was hired by URI in August 2018 as head coach. He has not been involved in the recruitment of any current players nor in the signing of any new recruits. today.uri.edu/news/gordon-ernst-statement/Perhaps nobody cares, but this is still a state school operating with public funds. There ought to be some egg on somebody's face. I don't find the "has not been involved in the recruitment of any current players nor in the signing of any new recruits" particularly exculpatory when we're talking about the head coach. Also note it does not say he was not involved in recruiting of anyone who was not signed. I agree but the cynic in me says the state will do its best to protect its own and RI isn't known as a "clean" government state which likely includes the governance of its state university. Public corruption has been a serious problem in Rhode Island for years. Former House Speaker Gordon Fox, for example, resides in federal prison for bribery and misuse of campaign funds. The political culture promotes it. Politicians routinely use their power to advance themselves and their allies rather than consider the public good. Habituated to such thinking, they lose a sense of the line between right and wrong, then between legal and illegal. This sad betrayal is one more reminder that Rhode Island must change its ways if it wants to compete in the modern world. It remains a political backwater, notorious for bad government. Its politicians’ intense focus on serving special interests at the expense of the public has led to crumbling and poorly performing public schools, bad infrastructure and one of the worst business climates — if not the worst — in America. www.providencejournal.com/opinion/20170701/editorial-culture-promotes-ri-corruption
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Post by hoyas315 on Mar 13, 2019 11:46:44 GMT -5
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Post by teddy16 on Mar 13, 2019 14:23:48 GMT -5
if true the tennis coach was stealing from GU. plenty of people pay to get their progeny accepted into GU. that's totally ok and acceptable as a private institution. the athletic and admissions departments were not aware of this guy's corrupt practices until 2017 when he was basically forced to resign. that's the issue - why was this behavior allowed to go on for this extended period and why didn't GU take action on tennis coach directly?
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Post by 1789 on Mar 13, 2019 15:14:51 GMT -5
My reaction is that this scandal is sorta like "bribery for people who have a lot of money but not enough". Had these parents had real money, like $10+ million to give directly to these schools, then I'm sure there was some quasi-legal way for them to get their kids in (yes I'm talking to you Fred Trump). But they only had maybe $100-$500k so they needed the shortcuts this guy provided. As a 1968 grad whose parents, while not rich could afford the $3,000 a year tuition (including room and board) I find this whole mess a symptom of our country's dysfunctional system of higher education.
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Post by 1789 on Mar 13, 2019 15:16:13 GMT -5
The students named in the Voice Article should be adjudicated and perhaps expelled. Name and Shame. Zero Tolerance for Corruption. How dare you Seprevivo, and Henriquez. You are blacklisted.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Mar 13, 2019 15:26:28 GMT -5
Georgetown was somewhat on the ball here. Our internal investigation found that something was amiss and Ernst was fired. It takes awhile to establish that something is truly amiss especially considering there were years between each deal. And it's next to impossible to know that he was taking bribes.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 13, 2019 15:44:57 GMT -5
Georgetown was somewhat on the ball here. Our internal investigation found that something was amiss and Ernst was fired. It takes awhile to establish that something is truly amiss especially considering there were years between each deal. And it's next to impossible to know that he was taking bribes. I can live with "somewhat." But I'd feel more comfortable with answers to some questions, although it seems unlikely we'll get them. How obvious was it, or should it have been, that the students in question were undeserving of admissions consideration as tennis players? Did any actually play? What were the "recruiting irregularities," presumably not to include bribery, that led to Ernst's suspension and eventual dismissal? Did negotiations with Ernst and his legal counsel affect the University's willingness to disclose more about his situation at the time?
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Post by teddy16 on Mar 13, 2019 16:16:02 GMT -5
it appears GU was tipped off about this corruption by U.S. Attorney's office. they probably agreed not to prosecute Ernst as the Feds were closing in on him.
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Post by seaweed on Mar 13, 2019 18:10:23 GMT -5
This kid needs to be off campus by the AM. She knowingly cheated on her entrance exam and has lied about is since. Reserving the right to make enrollment decisions is not enough - we have enough Brock Turners already.
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