Jack
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Post by Jack on Mar 12, 2019 11:28:34 GMT -5
So many people need to be asleep at the wheel or otherwise compromised for this scam to go undetected. If you only get 3 competitive admit slots, and all 3 are not real tennis players, the following people should notice:
1. The assistant coach (who is now head coach, by the way), who should be quite familiar with teen tennis circles and should ask "who are these kids?" 2. Your athletic department liaison, who should be asking "whatever happened to the three kids you recruited?" or at least, "why didn't you sign anyone this year?" 3. The SID who would put out a press release about your recruits and find nothing about them as tennis players 4. The recruit's high school guidance counselor (although they could be forgiven for not wondering how a rich kid got into a good school despite mediocre academics)
With that said, the admissions office is innocent until proven guilty here - their job is to confirm the academic credentials of the recruits, not their athletic record, and so long as the recruits were reasonably competent students, the coach gets to have them admitted into their available slots.
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Post by ksf42001 on Mar 12, 2019 11:31:51 GMT -5
Reading through the relevant indictment, it is alleged that Ernst received $2.7 million in bribes to enable "at least" twelve admissions applicants to be designated as tennis recruits, although in many cases they were not even competitive players. It appears that he is accused of involvement in the lion's share of payments. The scale of the bribes and the sudden departure concerns me from a "did gtown find out and what did they do with that info" perspective, but I guess that'll come out in time...
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Mar 12, 2019 11:33:15 GMT -5
Our former tennis coach used to coach at Penn.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 12, 2019 12:07:39 GMT -5
Reading through the relevant indictment, it is alleged that Ernst received $2.7 million in bribes to enable "at least" twelve admissions applicants to be designated as tennis recruits, although in many cases they were not even competitive players. It appears that he is accused of involvement in the lion's share of payments. The scale of the bribes and the sudden departure concerns me from a "did gtown find out and what did they do with that info" perspective, but I guess that'll come out in time... I'd be curious as to how much the admissions office representatives knew and when they knew. Seems improbable that someone in the office didn't see what was happening.
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Post by jctnhoya4ever on Mar 12, 2019 12:38:03 GMT -5
dfw does this involve the basketball program and if not will the basketball program be affected by it? Thanks
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Post by jctnhoya4ever on Mar 12, 2019 12:55:35 GMT -5
Wouldn’t this be a criminal issue not a ncaa issue?
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Post by jctnhoya4ever on Mar 12, 2019 13:00:13 GMT -5
Do we know when we will find out about this and if it is the tennis program,will it effect the men’s basketball program at all ?please respond if anybody knows,I really am worried about this affecting the basketball program now? Thanks if anyone knows please respond
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 12, 2019 13:03:44 GMT -5
Doesn't appear to involve any revenue generating sport, such as basketball, at any of the named institutions. I don't see any effect on the GU basketball program, based upon what has come out so far.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 12, 2019 13:14:12 GMT -5
dfw does this involve the basketball program and if not will the basketball program be affected by it? Thanks Read the posts previous to this in this thread and it will be clear to you that this only involves the previously departed tennis team coach and has nothing to do with the basketball program.
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Post by DoctorHoya on Mar 12, 2019 13:18:01 GMT -5
The investigator said they received a tip about 1 year ago that set off the investigation. Would be interesting if gtown found out, told and then let the coach go.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 12, 2019 13:19:35 GMT -5
So many people need to be asleep at the wheel or otherwise compromised for this scam to go undetected. If you only get 3 competitive admit slots, and all 3 are not real tennis players, the following people should notice: 1. The assistant coach (who is now head coach, by the way), who should be quite familiar with teen tennis circles and should ask "who are these kids?" 2. Your athletic department liaison, who should be asking "whatever happened to the three kids you recruited?" or at least, "why didn't you sign anyone this year?" 3. The SID who would put out a press release about your recruits and find nothing about them as tennis players 4. The recruit's high school guidance counselor (although they could be forgiven for not wondering how a rich kid got into a good school despite mediocre academics) With that said, the admissions office is innocent until proven guilty here - their job is to confirm the academic credentials of the recruits, not their athletic record, and so long as the recruits were reasonably competent students, the coach gets to have them admitted into their available slots. Would think Lee Reed would probably assume some level of responsibility here as well for the lack of oversight of the old tennis coach. "Hey, I just paid for 3 tennis schollies this year, why are none of those kids playing?" would be a basic question. Either he was aware of the scheme or he was so grossly negligent in not bothering to ask that he should be relieved anyways. FWIW, the school has taken down the page of Ernst resigning (linked earlier in this thread). Probably trying to destroy any trace of news regarding him before it gets worse.
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Post by guru on Mar 12, 2019 13:23:01 GMT -5
dfw does this involve the basketball program and if not will the basketball program be affected by it? Thanks Read the posts previous to this in this thread and it will be clear to you that this only involves the previously departed tennis team coach and has nothing to do with the basketball program. I think we have ample evidence that our basketball program hasn’t been cheating the past few years.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 12, 2019 13:23:30 GMT -5
I interviewed one of the Georgetown tennis recruits. But she was an honest to goodness tennis player ranked #1 in Las Vegas, I believe. She graduated last year or the year before.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 12, 2019 13:24:38 GMT -5
Would think Lee Reed would probably assume some level of responsibility here as well for the lack of oversight of the old tennis coach. "Hey, I just paid for 3 tennis schollies this year, why are none of those kids playing?" would be a basic question. Correct me if I'm wrong, but tennis does not have scholarships to give. The scam was going after the academic slots available for the tennis coach to recommend to Admissions for preferable treatment.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 12, 2019 13:24:51 GMT -5
Do we know when we will find out about this and if it is the tennis program,will it effect the men’s basketball program at all ?please respond if anybody knows,I really am worried about this affecting the basketball program now? Thanks if anyone knows please respond This is a criminal matter and only involves those charged; none are current employees of the University. Basketball is not a party to the case. The strong likelihood is that the students admitted falsely never showed up for the team or teams. But the DOJ knows who they are, and Georgetown does, too.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 12, 2019 13:28:37 GMT -5
Do we know when we will find out about this and if it is the tennis program,will it effect the men’s basketball program at all ?please respond if anybody knows,I really am worried about this affecting the basketball program now? Thanks if anyone knows please respond This is a criminal matter and only involves those charged; none are current employees of the University. Basketball is not a party to the case. The strong likelihood is that the students admitted falsely never showed up for the team or teams. But the DOJ knows who they are, and Georgetown does, too. Still, depending on the timing and number, the point that the scam should have been noticeable by someone is a good one.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 12, 2019 13:30:19 GMT -5
Would think Lee Reed would probably assume some level of responsibility here as well for the lack of oversight of the old tennis coach. "Hey, I just paid for 3 tennis schollies this year, why are none of those kids playing?" would be a basic question. Correct me if I'm wrong, but tennis does not have scholarships to give. The scam was going after the academic slots available for the tennis coach to recommend to Admissions for preferable treatment. Thanks for clearing that up. Certainly makes Reed far less culpable than I initially thought. Still, given that this was happening over the course of several years, as an AD if I was keeping a list of kids that were being recommended due to tennis and those kids ended up not playing for the school repeatedly, I'd want to know why.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 12, 2019 13:35:00 GMT -5
I interviewed one of the Georgetown tennis recruits. But she was an honest to goodness tennis player ranked #1 in Las Vegas, I believe. She graduated last year or the year before. Some but certainly not all recruits were part of the scam. It's more likely that the admits never joined the team to begin with. A DOJ official said that this investigation has been going on "for about a year", which is about the time Ernst resigned.
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Post by Filo on Mar 12, 2019 13:36:36 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but tennis does not have scholarships to give. The scam was going after the academic slots available for the tennis coach to recommend to Admissions for preferable treatment. Thanks for clearing that up. Certainly makes Reed far less culpable than I initially thought. Still, given that this was happening over the course of several years, as an AD if I was keeping a list of kids that were being recommended due to tennis and those kids ended up not playing for the school repeatedly, I'd want to know why. But, by all means recommend that he be relieved of his job without having all the facts...
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Post by Jack on Mar 12, 2019 13:47:12 GMT -5
I interviewed one of the Georgetown tennis recruits. But she was an honest to goodness tennis player ranked #1 in Las Vegas, I believe. She graduated last year or the year before. Some but certainly not all recruits were part of the scam. It's more likely that the admits never joined the team to begin with. Ethics question: If the students knew that they got help to get admitted and knew that had no intention of playing tennis, is that academic fraud and terms for dismissal? If they didn't know, that then? honorcouncil.georgetown.edu/system/practice/sanctioning-guidelines/determination-of-initial-sanctionReading the full complaint, either the students knew what was going on or they were otherwise fraudulently allowing someone else to write their applications. There are specific examples given of what was written about their tennis credentials in their admissions essays. Which also suggests that Georgetown has been aware of this issue for some time, as the admissions files and related communications must have been produced to DOJ for that level of detail to be found in the complaints.
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