sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Feb 4, 2019 9:56:04 GMT -5
Too bad we played our “C” game and got beat. Shake it off and move on to Providence. Truth be told, Nova also didn’t play their “A” game as Booth and Paschall missed a bunch of shots they usually make. I would have liked to see us go with a lineup with Leblanc at 5 and Kaleb at the 4 rather than having Mourning on the floor for 27 minutes, but that’s a quibble. We had a chance to steal one but couldn’t make any shots down the stretch. Defense was ok so that’s something. Yeah, I will get over it, but I still feel differently about this game than most. I thought had a good game plan and played well defensively, and it just sucks that this was literally Govan's worst game in 3 years. Had we got anything out of him, and a little more out of Mac, we would have won that game. The return game will be fun, but I just have a feeling it will be a completely different game. Oh well. Yea I agree with this. Game plan was excellent, not sure we'll have the same advantage with Nova getting to prep for it next time.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Feb 4, 2019 9:56:08 GMT -5
Just a reminder: Our bigs having difficulty with foul trouble in big games is a Hoya tradition like no other. Jesse got nailed for some fouls that he probably could have easily avoided. It didn't help that the refs were looking for them. I don't really need to remind this board that Roy's foul trouble was a huge part of the Davidson upset. And, back in the 1980s, the Hoyas always needed to adjust to the tighter calls of the NCAA tournament. Ewing himself sat for many of the first and second round games (by later rounds, he had adjusted). I am not a big fan of reading into body language. So, we all need to move on. And let's see whether Jesse adjusts. I'm betting that this makes him a better player for us down the stretch. Depth at the 4 & 5 spots will help alot.
Personally, this game made me proud to be a Hoya fan. The team is improving and has a lot of fight. Akinjo was very good. The bench was everything we could have asked for. Pickett's work is showing. When he was in the game, Jesse was getting good looks that he normally makes. If they had fallen, a different ball game.
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OldHoyafan
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Post by OldHoyafan on Feb 4, 2019 12:59:45 GMT -5
Grant you, the BE is down this year but Nova is still the “bell cow” for the league as for as the media is concerned,and the Hoyas went toe to toe with them for 35 plus minutes.The announcers said that even though Nova lost four starters from last year, they were still the oldest team in the league, with lead senior being Booth. The Hoyas vocal leaders are freshmen. If anyone watched the game yesterday and was not impressed with the game plan designed by the coaching staff is not paying attention. This team has some serious individual defensive ability, starting with Govan. Govan’s offensive ability usually negates that but in this game the refs inequality of same calls against Pasquale magnified it. This team is one all around forward from being an elite team for the next three years. Would have loved to have seen if Carter could have added anything to the mix yesterday with Govan’s foul problems.
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lda05816
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Post by lda05816 on Feb 4, 2019 13:14:46 GMT -5
In regards to the defense yesterday, only Providence has held Nova to a lower point per possession in conference play. If we get that kind of effort and continue to take care of the ball (9 TO's in the last 76 mins of play) we're going to be in good shape down the stretch.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 4, 2019 15:59:09 GMT -5
Scary to think what would happen when Govan Mac and Akinjo are all on. (LeBlanc is a given, shows up every night.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 4, 2019 16:26:00 GMT -5
Just a reminder: Our bigs having difficulty with foul trouble in big games is a Hoya tradition like no other. Jesse got nailed for some fouls that he probably could have easily avoided. It didn't help that the refs were looking for them. I don't really need to remind this board that Roy's foul trouble was a huge part of the Davidson upset. And, back in the 1980s, the Hoyas always needed to adjust to the tighter calls of the NCAA tournament. Ewing himself sat for many of the first and second round games (by later rounds, he had adjusted). I am not a big fan of reading into body language. So, we all need to move on. And let's see whether Jesse adjusts. I'm betting that this makes him a better player for us down the stretch. Depth at the 4 & 5 spots will help alot. Personally, this game made me proud to be a Hoya fan. The team is improving and has a lot of fight. Akinjo was very good. The bench was everything we could have asked for. Pickett's work is showing. When he was in the game, Jesse was getting good looks that he normally makes. If they had fallen, a different ball game. Ditto to Henry Sims in NCAA loss to NCSU...
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seaweed
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Post by seaweed on Feb 4, 2019 17:01:01 GMT -5
Finally getting a chance to watch - there is no way we can ever win a game when the refs are dead set on confusing and sidelining our guys. There was no consistency that would allow our guys to adjust to how the game was being played - their guys bump and nothing happens, our guys get in the neighborhood and they get whistled. Pat needs to bitchout some refs damned soon or our guys will never be able to compete on a level playing field and will in fact get hurt.
Riddle me this - on a single possession, nova committed five fouls and in the other 39+ minutes of the game they committed thirteen. Those odds seem infinitesimally small.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 4, 2019 17:55:12 GMT -5
Random question, but who is the guy on our bench, taller white guy who sort of has a man-bun (hair tied back)? I though it could be a new walk on, but don't see any on the roster, and he looks nothing like Muresan or Yurtseven.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Feb 4, 2019 18:01:22 GMT -5
Random question, but who is the guy on our bench, taller white guy who sort of has a man-bun (hair tied back)? I though it could be a new walk on, but don't see any on the roster, and he looks nothing like Muresan or Yurtseven. It is Muresan.
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LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 4, 2019 19:36:56 GMT -5
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Post by bearsandbulls on Feb 4, 2019 23:19:33 GMT -5
Just a reminder: Our bigs having difficulty with foul trouble in big games is a Hoya tradition like no other. Jesse got nailed for some fouls that he probably could have easily avoided. It didn't help that the refs were looking for them. I don't really need to remind this board that Roy's foul trouble was a huge part of the Davidson upset. And, back in the 1980s, the Hoyas always needed to adjust to the tighter calls of the NCAA tournament. Ewing himself sat for many of the first and second round games (by later rounds, he had adjusted). I am not a big fan of reading into body language. So, we all need to move on. And let's see whether Jesse adjusts. I'm betting that this makes him a better player for us down the stretch. Depth at the 4 & 5 spots will help alot. Personally, this game made me proud to be a Hoya fan. The team is improving and has a lot of fight. Akinjo was very good. The bench was everything we could have asked for. Pickett's work is showing. When he was in the game, Jesse was getting good looks that he normally makes. If they had fallen, a different ball game. Not playing smart and having a schollie at G'town is a crime. I love this team but a near seven footer fouling at least twice 20 feet from the basket is nothing short of stoopid. Jesse was his own worst enemy in this game, and totally is responsible for the loss with his lack of smarts, compounded by the fact that he is a senior. And the funny thing, as harsh as this post is, I think he would be the first to agree.
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Feb 5, 2019 19:06:54 GMT -5
Jessie always fouls on the perimeter and it drives me nuts. If he didn’t commit those cheap ones, he would never be in foul trouble.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 6, 2019 10:42:52 GMT -5
I want to let this game thread die but do people not realize that what happened to Jessie is the exact point of the pick and roll offense? You try to pull a less mobile center away from the basket and force them to make a difficult decision. Do they hedge? Where a foul is likely if the guard knows how to draw it. Do they show and recover? Which may be too slow to stop the ball handler or picker. Do they immediately roll with the picker? Which allows the ball-handler extra space. Your best bet is to have a big that is mobile enough to do option B, unfortunately Jessie is not and our guards are not great at fighting through picks. So what happens? Jessie has to hedge hard and if you get a team that is coached like Villanova, they seek contact with the hedger. Then the game is put in the ref's hands. As we saw this weekend, that is not the way you want to go. How can Jessie solve this? It's not easy. The main key is that you treat the hedge like taking a charge, get to your spot and plant your feet. If you aren't going to be able to beat the guard to the spot, just show and recover...no hedging. Unfortunately, when a big is put into that position every time down the court, they are bound to make a mistake a few times. This game, it just came back and bit Jessie.
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seaweed
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Post by seaweed on Feb 6, 2019 11:06:51 GMT -5
I want to let this game thread die but do people not realize that what happened to Jessie is the exact point of the pick and roll offense? You try to pull a less mobile center away from the basket and force them to make a difficult decision. Do they hedge? Where a foul is likely if the guard knows how to draw it. Do they show and recover? Which may be too slow to stop the ball handler or picker. Do they immediately roll with the picker? Which allows the ball-handler extra space. Your best bet is to have a big that is mobile enough to do option B, unfortunately Jessie is not and our guards are not great at fighting through picks. So what happens? Jessie has to hedge hard and if you get a team that is coached like Villanova, they seek contact with the hedger. Then the game is put in the ref's hands. As we saw this weekend, that is not the way you want to go. How can Jessie solve this? It's not easy. The main key is that you treat the hedge like taking a charge, get to your spot and plant your feet. If you aren't going to be able to beat the guard to the spot, just show and recover...no hedging. Unfortunately, when a big is put into that position every time down the court, they are bound to make a mistake a few times. This game, it just came back and bit Jessie. Jessie also needs to keep his hand up and out of the defenders gut. He gets to the spot but frequently gets called because he is reaching in, which is just the silliest thing at that spot. Put your big body in the guard's lane for about 1.5 seconds, then get the heck back to your man.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 6, 2019 11:46:37 GMT -5
I want to let this game thread die but do people not realize that what happened to Jessie is the exact point of the pick and roll offense? You try to pull a less mobile center away from the basket and force them to make a difficult decision. Do they hedge? Where a foul is likely if the guard knows how to draw it. Do they show and recover? Which may be too slow to stop the ball handler or picker. Do they immediately roll with the picker? Which allows the ball-handler extra space. Your best bet is to have a big that is mobile enough to do option B, unfortunately Jessie is not and our guards are not great at fighting through picks. So what happens? Jessie has to hedge hard and if you get a team that is coached like Villanova, they seek contact with the hedger. Then the game is put in the ref's hands. As we saw this weekend, that is not the way you want to go. How can Jessie solve this? It's not easy. The main key is that you treat the hedge like taking a charge, get to your spot and plant your feet. If you aren't going to be able to beat the guard to the spot, just show and recover...no hedging. Unfortunately, when a big is put into that position every time down the court, they are bound to make a mistake a few times. This game, it just came back and bit Jessie. Jessie also needs to keep his hand up and out of the defenders gut. He gets to the spot but frequently gets called because he is reaching in, which is just the silliest thing at that spot. Put your big body in the guard's lane for about 1.5 seconds, then get the heck back to your man. Three of his fouls were bad fouls he could have easily avoided. No doubt, he played badly, but he's our best player, and we need to move on. Govan commits, on average, 3.4 fouls per 40 minutes (and he usually doesn't play that much). So, for now, at least, this game seems like an outlier. Even good players have bad games.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 6, 2019 12:20:03 GMT -5
Jessie also needs to keep his hand up and out of the defenders gut. He gets to the spot but frequently gets called because he is reaching in, which is just the silliest thing at that spot. Put your big body in the guard's lane for about 1.5 seconds, then get the heck back to your man. Three of his fouls were bad fouls he could have easily avoided. No doubt, he played badly, but he's our best player, and we need to move on. Govan commits, on average, 3.4 fouls per 40 minutes (and he usually doesn't play that much). So, for now, at least, this game seems like an outlier. Even good players have bad games. Agreed. Part of my point is that it was a bad match-up too. Nova has the offense and the players to put him in a position he is not comfortable in.
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