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Post by rockhoya on Jun 23, 2020 14:16:12 GMT -5
So what is this a shot at Mac? Q was the best NBA prospect last year but not by a long way. Not over Yurt or Mac. Hell not even Morko... He's no question a better NBA prospect than those three, but it wasn't a shot at any of the three. Just facts. Mac isn't an NBA prospect at all Yert might be able to sneak onto a roster because he can shoot. But he's much more likely an overseas guy because he can't defend at all and his best skill (back to the basket scoring) isn't something the league currently looks for Morko has NBA length, and could be an NBA defender, but has to become a 40 percent 3-point shooter in order to stick. He actually has a chance As far as what the league is looking for, Q right now definitively checks two NBA skill boxes that will give him a nice chance at sticking in the league Okay, but your original statement was still inaccurate though, despite all the words you’ve added to rationalize a position that wasn’t unclear. You are presenting opinion as fact...I know that usually works around here but do better.
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Post by s4hoyas on Jun 23, 2020 15:20:10 GMT -5
Go Qudus!...righty jump hook...lefty jump hook...master the moves (use the glass when you have an angle)...oh yeah, and the up and under move after the pump fake...unstoppable...
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Post by hoyazeke on Jun 23, 2020 17:20:52 GMT -5
He's no question a better NBA prospect than those three, but it wasn't a shot at any of the three. Just facts. Mac isn't an NBA prospect at all Yert might be able to sneak onto a roster because he can shoot. But he's much more likely an overseas guy because he can't defend at all and his best skill (back to the basket scoring) isn't something the league currently looks for Morko has NBA length, and could be an NBA defender, but has to become a 40 percent 3-point shooter in order to stick. He actually has a chance As far as what the league is looking for, Q right now definitively checks two NBA skill boxes that will give him a nice chance at sticking in the league Okay, but your original statement was still inaccurate though, despite all the words you’ve added to rationalize a position that wasn’t unclear. You are presenting opinion as fact...I know that usually works around here but do better. Yeah rock I disagree with what Daytona stated completely but my biggest gripe is when states "by a long way". I know that I may be on a island with very few people accompanying me but I believe if Mac is healthy he will be drafted....but we'll see...
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Jun 23, 2020 17:51:20 GMT -5
He's no question a better NBA prospect than those three, but it wasn't a shot at any of the three. Just facts. Mac isn't an NBA prospect at all Yert might be able to sneak onto a roster because he can shoot. But he's much more likely an overseas guy because he can't defend at all and his best skill (back to the basket scoring) isn't something the league currently looks for Morko has NBA length, and could be an NBA defender, but has to become a 40 percent 3-point shooter in order to stick. He actually has a chance As far as what the league is looking for, Q right now definitively checks two NBA skill boxes that will give him a nice chance at sticking in the league Okay, but your original statement was still inaccurate though, despite all the words you’ve added to rationalize a position that wasn’t unclear. You are presenting opinion as fact...I know that usually works around here but do better.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Jun 23, 2020 17:53:23 GMT -5
Okay, but your original statement was still inaccurate though, despite all the words you’ve added to rationalize a position that wasn’t unclear. You are presenting opinion as fact...I know that usually works around here but do better. Yeah rock I disagree with what Daytona stated completely but my biggest gripe is when states "by a long way". I know that I may be on a island with very few people accompanying me but I believe if Mac is healthy he will be drafted....but we'll see... Q currently has two definitive NBA skillsets, with upside to add more. Mac currently has zero definitive NBA skillset. He's going to have to work hard to get those. I hope he does, I think he's a good kid and a talented guy.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 23, 2020 18:06:05 GMT -5
Okay, but your original statement was still inaccurate though, despite all the words you’ve added to rationalize a position that wasn’t unclear. You are presenting opinion as fact...I know that usually works around here but do better. Yeah rock I disagree with what Daytona stated completely but my biggest gripe is when states "by a long way". I know that I may be on a island with very few people accompanying me but I believe if Mac is healthy he will be drafted....but we'll see... True, “by a wide margin” is the part that sinks the argument.
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 23, 2020 18:07:18 GMT -5
Okay, but your original statement was still inaccurate though, despite all the words you’ve added to rationalize a position that wasn’t unclear. You are presenting opinion as fact...I know that usually works around here but do better. I'll do whatever I want to, and I'm 100 percent sure you can't do about it. Don't bark up this tree, clown So you’re arguing something that’s highly debatable and objectively inaccurate and haven’t backed it up at all but you choose this opportunity to call me a clown rather than try to make sense. Tracks. Do better.
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 23, 2020 18:11:14 GMT -5
Yeah rock I disagree with what Daytona stated completely but my biggest gripe is when states "by a long way". I know that I may be on a island with very few people accompanying me but I believe if Mac is healthy he will be drafted....but we'll see... Q currently has two definitive NBA skillsets, with upside to add more. Mac currently has zero definitive NBA skillset. He's going to have to work hard to get those. I hope he does, I think he's a good kid and a talented guy. Maybe you’re confusing “prospect” and “potential”. Q has shown signs, but he’s further from reaching the “signs“ than A few others on last year’s roster. Now if you’re arguing he has the most potential that’s one thing, but as far as being the better prospect at the time (and now), he still has a lot of development to go. He’s still developing everything, but especially his fundamentals as a big (positioning/leverage/reads/etc). His skills helped mask a lot of that. You throw Yurt/Mac/Morko/Q from last season into the nba right now, you seriously think Q would adapt the best?
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jun 23, 2020 18:14:07 GMT -5
I don't think Mac is an NBA player, ever.
I think that Wahab has the most upside of anyone on the roster from last year, but it's far from a sure thing that he'll get there. He's one of those guys who you look at and say "oh, if he just puts on 35 lbs and gets a consistent jump shot, maybe extend his range to the 3 PT line, then he's a lotto pick." Yeah, but do you realize how hard it is to do any of those things, let alone one of them?
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 23, 2020 18:23:24 GMT -5
I don't think Mac is an NBA player, ever. I think that Wahab has the most upside of anyone on the roster from last year, but it's far from a sure thing that he'll get there. He's one of those guys who you look at and say "oh, if he just puts on 35 lbs and gets a consistent jump shot, maybe extend his range to the 3 PT line, then he's a lotto pick." Yeah, but do you realize how hard it is to do any of those things, let alone one of them? Agreed, though I will say Mac could be an NBA player if he had a better IQ/mindset. He has the tools, but similar to you I’m doubtful he ever reaches them.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Jun 23, 2020 18:38:04 GMT -5
Q currently has two definitive NBA skillsets, with upside to add more. Mac currently has zero definitive NBA skillset. He's going to have to work hard to get those. I hope he does, I think he's a good kid and a talented guy. Maybe you’re confusing “prospect” and “potential”. Q has shown signs, but he’s further from reaching the “signs“ than A few others on last year’s roster. Now if you’re arguing he has the most potential that’s one thing, but as far as being the better prospect at the time (and now), he still has a lot of development to go. He’s still developing everything, but especially his fundamentals as a big (positioning/leverage/reads/etc). His skills helped mask a lot of that. You throw Yurt/Mac/Morko/Q from last season into the nba right now, you seriously think Q would adapt the best? If you put Q into an NBA game right now, he does two things that help an NBA team: He protects the rim, and he's switchable defensively, which in today's NBA is an invaluable skill for a big to have. I agree with you that he has a long way to go, and that he has a lot of developing yet to do. But the two things he does best are already translatable to what the league needs its big men to do. Mac does nothing well - right now - at an NBA level Yurt shoots it well, and even with that, he doesn't shoot threes at a high clip. But he can shoot it, and that gives him a fighting chance, even if he can't defend Morko has ideal NBA size and length for his position....but hasn't done anything else at this point at an NBA level....But, I think even in his senior season, he still has the upside to give himself a fighting chance. With his physical attribute, if he so much as becomes a reliable NBA 3-point shooter, he can make it at the next level. I think he's a better player than Hollis and Hollis carved out a few seasons. But it's up to Morko That's why I said "by far"....Q already does two things that will get him onto an NBA floor. And he plays hard. Like you said, he still has a long way to go, but if he never improves at another skill area, he already has a good chance to make it at the next level
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Post by guru on Jun 23, 2020 19:20:16 GMT -5
Okay, but your original statement was still inaccurate though, despite all the words you’ve added to rationalize a position that wasn’t unclear. You are presenting opinion as fact...I know that usually works around here but do better. I'll do whatever I want to, and I'm 100 percent sure you can't do about it. Don't bark up this tree, clown Seems like you left out a word or something, Aren’t you supposed to be a professional “writer”? Bahahaha. At least you’re still clearly interested in level-headed debate. Take your clown show elsewhere, clowny clown clownheim.
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Post by mdtd on Jun 23, 2020 20:55:59 GMT -5
I'll do whatever I want to, and I'm 100 percent sure you can't do about it. Don't bark up this tree, clown Seems like you left out a word or something, Aren’t you supposed to be a professional “writer”? Bahahaha. At least you’re still clearly interested in level-headed debate. Take your clown show elsewhere, clowny clown clownheim. I'm pretty sure this is a joke, but on the chance it isn't, I don't like this thought process one bit. He has an opinion people disagree with, which is fine. But, we shouldn't try to tell him not to speak just for expressing that. Let him talk Georgetown basketball if that's what he wants to do. This sentiment is very corrosive and toxic. As for Q, I think he can be something in the future. I think he's the main guy to watch and monitor his development. I've seen some really high expectations for the kid, but I think he can be a very good BE player. He's got skills and I hope (and think) he can develop them. He did a lot of what he did in short spurts, let's hope that can translate to when he's starting next season.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Jun 23, 2020 20:59:00 GMT -5
Seems like you left out a word or something, Aren’t you supposed to be a professional “writer”? Bahahaha. At least you’re still clearly interested in level-headed debate. Take your clown show elsewhere, clowny clown clownheim. I'm pretty sure this is a joke, but on the chance it isn't, I don't like this thought process one bit. He has an opinion people disagree with, which is fine. But, we shouldn't try to tell him not to speak just for expressing that. Let him talk Georgetown basketball if that's what he wants to do. This sentiment is very corrosive and toxic. As for Q, I think he can be something in the future. I think he's the main guy to watch and monitor his development. I've seen some really high expectations for the kid, but I think he can be a very good BE player. He's got skills and I hope (and think) he can develop them. He did a lot of what he did in short spurts, let's hope that can translate to when he's starting next season. You're right, Q has to do a lot of developing. I'm just simply saying he already has two NBA definitive skills. One thing he has to learn to do is play without fouling. If he can bring that kind of energy to his game and stay on the floor, we have a chance to be a good team next season. Q is one of those guys who have potential to dominate games without having to run a play through him
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Post by blueandgray on Jun 24, 2020 9:27:28 GMT -5
I do not want to interject myself into this Editeding match. I will say this however, I think we all appreciate Q’s upside and he showed stretches where he could be very effective. That said, he is still quite raw and I would be pleasantly surprised if he were on most draft boards next year. I just think he has a lot of work to do still.
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Post by hoyazeke on Jun 24, 2020 11:25:01 GMT -5
Maybe you’re confusing “prospect” and “potential”. Q has shown signs, but he’s further from reaching the “signs“ than A few others on last year’s roster. Now if you’re arguing he has the most potential that’s one thing, but as far as being the better prospect at the time (and now), he still has a lot of development to go. He’s still developing everything, but especially his fundamentals as a big (positioning/leverage/reads/etc). His skills helped mask a lot of that. You throw Yurt/Mac/Morko/Q from last season into the nba right now, you seriously think Q would adapt the best? If you put Q into an NBA game right now, he does two things that help an NBA team: He protects the rim, and he's switchable defensively, which in today's NBA is an invaluable skill for a big to have. I agree with you that he has a long way to go, and that he has a lot of developing yet to do. But the two things he does best are already translatable to what the league needs its big men to do. Mac does nothing well - right now - at an NBA level Yurt shoots it well, and even with that, he doesn't shoot threes at a high clip. But he can shoot it, and that gives him a fighting chance, even if he can't defend Morko has ideal NBA size and length for his position....but hasn't done anything else at this point at an NBA level....But, I think even in his senior season, he still has the upside to give himself a fighting chance. With his physical attribute, if he so much as becomes a reliable NBA 3-point shooter, he can make it at the next level. I think he's a better player than Hollis and Hollis carved out a few seasons. But it's up to Morko That's why I said "by far"....Q already does two things that will get him onto an NBA floor. And he plays hard. Like you said, he still has a long way to go, but if he never improves at another skill area, he already has a good chance to make it at the next level Daytona we will just have to disagree on Mac. I believe he has NBA level handles and 3pt range. Don't waste time throwing his stats at me because I won't be moved off what he did when healthy and JA gone. I know it's a small sample size but you won't find others that put up those numbers and %s that aren't draftable players. I'll stand on my rock....
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Post by hoyainla on Jun 24, 2020 12:15:04 GMT -5
Maybe you’re confusing “prospect” and “potential”. Q has shown signs, but he’s further from reaching the “signs“ than A few others on last year’s roster. Now if you’re arguing he has the most potential that’s one thing, but as far as being the better prospect at the time (and now), he still has a lot of development to go. He’s still developing everything, but especially his fundamentals as a big (positioning/leverage/reads/etc). His skills helped mask a lot of that. You throw Yurt/Mac/Morko/Q from last season into the nba right now, you seriously think Q would adapt the best? If you put Q into an NBA game right now, he does two things that help an NBA team: He protects the rim, and he's switchable defensively, which in today's NBA is an invaluable skill for a big to have. I agree with you that he has a long way to go, and that he has a lot of developing yet to do. But the two things he does best are already translatable to what the league needs its big men to do. Mac does nothing well - right now - at an NBA level Yurt shoots it well, and even with that, he doesn't shoot threes at a high clip. But he can shoot it, and that gives him a fighting chance, even if he can't defend Morko has ideal NBA size and length for his position....but hasn't done anything else at this point at an NBA level....But, I think even in his senior season, he still has the upside to give himself a fighting chance. With his physical attribute, if he so much as becomes a reliable NBA 3-point shooter, he can make it at the next level. I think he's a better player than Hollis and Hollis carved out a few seasons. But it's up to Morko That's why I said "by far"....Q already does two things that will get him onto an NBA floor. And he plays hard. Like you said, he still has a long way to go, but if he never improves at another skill area, he already has a good chance to make it at the next level I assume when you are talking prospects you mean after the great defection? As for Q he is already pretty old. I think that is why he looked so good for a freshman. I don't see him as good as a potential NBA defender as you do right now because I don't think he's an elite level athlete. I think he is going to be a great college player but just not sure how it translates to the pros. His offensive game is non existent for the pro level right now. I think I would still take Jamorko as the better prospect as he shot pretty well last year and his path to 3 and D seems more realistic. It would be close though.
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Post by prhoya on Jun 24, 2020 12:40:07 GMT -5
If you put Q into an NBA game right now, he does two things that help an NBA team: He protects the rim, and he's switchable defensively, which in today's NBA is an invaluable skill for a big to have. If it is that simple, then we have three future NBA players in Qudus, Tim and Malcolm. We’ve seen Qudus and Tim cover the court defensively and, from his hs highlights, Malcolm is a natural shot blocker and the fastest of the three (if his injury hasn’t slowed him down). His body just needs to catch up.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 24, 2020 13:09:53 GMT -5
It's actually OK to have differing opinions about basketball players without taking shots at those whose opinions differ from your own. Seriously.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 24, 2020 15:48:12 GMT -5
It's actually OK to have differing opinions about basketball players without taking shots at those whose opinions differ from your own. Seriously. You must be a cotton-headed ninnymuggins for even suggesting such a thing.
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