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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 3, 2021 22:25:29 GMT -5
If Wahab had Timme’s footwork he’d really be something.
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 3, 2021 22:29:08 GMT -5
If Wahab had Timme’s footwork he’d really be something. I'm sure Turgeon will coach him up. 😐
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 3, 2021 22:35:19 GMT -5
I literally spoke to an admin about how the school maintains a balancing act of people who can pay full and others who can’t, to create a modicum of diversity and it’s an issue of money, we can’t expand and our endowment is trash compared to any peer schools. This may not be the cause but no one has a single trigger to a meltdown, it’s an issue of stacking problems. There's the question: who are Georgetown's peer schools? Georgetown has changed its peer schools considerably over the years, and it's no longer the case that academic peers are aligned with athletic ones. Fifty years ago, you could have made the case that GU's peers were Holy Cross, Fordham, St. Joe's, NYU, and George Washington. None are today. Today? Some combination of Penn, Brown, Duke, and on the fringes, BC. There are other schools that can be put into the academic "peer" category but in truth Georgetown has little in common with: Johns Hopkins, Stanford, Northwestern, Notre Dame. Georgetown is as much a peer to them as Tulane is. We compete with none of these peers athletically, and that shows in the students. Duke and Carolina or Cal and Stanford are rivals because they really do compete in their regions. But no one today is choosing between Georgetown and Creighton or Georgetown and Seton Hall. The endowment isn't "trash", it's a function of the time value of money (i.e., a huge head start) that these schools had while Georgetown was sitting with a $14 million endowment a half century ago. Even a $1 billion gift to Georgetown would move it from #60 to...just #39. Penn sits at $14.8 billion. Duke is $8.4. Brown is $4.3. Georgetown is $1.8 and while that's better than any Big East school, it's never going to appreciably move into that rarified air. As Peter Krogh once said, "we fight above our weight class." The biggest drawback to a lack of a peer school is the ability to point to someone and say "let's be better than they are", whether in admissions or research or athletics. Georgetown aspires to be Georgetown but it's hard to do much else. Gtown has plenty of basketball peers, 10 of them to be exact... PE says he aspires to get the program back to what it was during his career, does the administration share that aspiration?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 3, 2021 23:24:37 GMT -5
Dead to me. Dead. Low efficiency, can't dunk deleted. Wahab was the most efficient offensive player on our team this season. Obviously, Wahab has his weaknesses, but it's weird to go after him on efficiency. If he's low efficiency, I am not sure what that says about the rest of the team.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 3, 2021 23:31:47 GMT -5
Gtown has plenty of basketball peers, 10 of them to be exact... PE says he aspires to get the program back to what it was during his career, does the administration share that aspiration? That's a very expansive definition--by extension, Rice University's peers would include Alabama-Birmingham, Middle Tennessee State, Old Dominion and Western Kentucky. Excepting the Ivy League, teams within a conference are scheduling partners, not academic peers. Why would you question the administration? They support the 20th largest basketball budget in the nation, one larger than any of this year's Final Four teams. If they did not share that aspiration then they would not fund it to that level, nor give Ewing a 100% guaranteed contract which it was reported he received in 2017.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 4, 2021 1:16:40 GMT -5
Why would you question the administration? They support the 20th largest basketball budget in the nation, one larger than any of this year's Final Four teams. If they did not share that aspiration then they would not fund it to that level, nor give Ewing a 100% guaranteed contract which it was reported he received in 2017. Weren’t we #10?
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 4, 2021 10:36:52 GMT -5
Gtown has plenty of basketball peers, 10 of them to be exact... PE says he aspires to get the program back to what it was during his career, does the administration share that aspiration? That's a very expansive definition--by extension, Rice University's peers would include Alabama-Birmingham, Middle Tennessee State, Old Dominion and Western Kentucky. Excepting the Ivy League, teams within a conference are scheduling partners, not academic peers. Why would you question the administration? They support the 20th largest basketball budget in the nation, one larger than any of this year's Final Four teams. If they did not share that aspiration then they would not fund it to that level, nor give Ewing a 100% guaranteed contract which it was reported he received in 2017. Saying they are scheduling partners as opposed to basketball peers is high-level semantics in my view but for the sake of argument ill agree with you... My question is why can't/doesn’t Gtown aspire to be the best scheduling partner in the BE? Where would Gtown stand funding wise in the nation if the rent payments were deducted? From an outsider looking in it appears to me Gtowns administration does the bare minimum. Much of this feeling comes from reading posts about the admin from you and others on the board. Plus I still can't get past Ewing’s initial staff hiring, didn't make much sense for a teacher had spent the previous decade+ in the NBA... Where would you rank the administration amongst its 10 other scheduling partners?
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Post by the_way on Apr 4, 2021 12:41:52 GMT -5
If Wahab had Timme’s footwork he’d really be something. If he had Riley's footwork, he'd really be something.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 13:25:23 GMT -5
If Wahab had Timme’s footwork he’d really be something. If he had Riley's footwork, he'd really be something. What if we could give him Allen Iverson's feet, wouldn't that be something?!!!
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Post by the_way on Apr 4, 2021 14:03:52 GMT -5
If he had Riley's footwork, he'd really be something. What if we could give him Allen Iverson's feet, wouldn't that be something?!!! Or Hakeem or even his former head coach Ewing.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 4, 2021 14:52:38 GMT -5
That's a very expansive definition--by extension, Rice University's peers would include Alabama-Birmingham, Middle Tennessee State, Old Dominion and Western Kentucky. Excepting the Ivy League, teams within a conference are scheduling partners, not academic peers. Why would you question the administration? They support the 20th largest basketball budget in the nation, one larger than any of this year's Final Four teams. If they did not share that aspiration then they would not fund it to that level, nor give Ewing a 100% guaranteed contract which it was reported he received in 2017. Saying they are scheduling partners as opposed to basketball peers is high-level semantics in my view but for the sake of argument ill agree with you... My question is why can't/doesn’t Gtown aspire to be the best scheduling partner in the BE? Where would Gtown stand funding wise in the nation if the rent payments were deducted? From an outsider looking in it appears to me Gtowns administration does the bare minimum. Much of this feeling comes from reading posts about the admin from you and others on the board. Plus I still can't get past Ewing’s initial staff hiring, didn't make much sense for a teacher had spent the previous decade+ in the NBA... Where would you rank the administration amongst its 10 other scheduling partners? Happy Easter to all. I do think Georgetown has a financial commitment to basketball. This was largely driven by John Thompson Jr.'s continued involvement, plus the Final Four in 2007 and aftermath. That's in part why we have the practice facility, and why the program is still committed to spending a fair amount of money. While DeGioia and other influential alumni are around (like Mourning on the Board), I think that is going to continue, though long-term I could see Georgetown's will to continue that financial commitment wane if there is different leadership, and if the program ends up in a long-term DePaul-like rut. However, what I do think Georgetown lacks is a true desire to be the best basketball program in the Big East. Granted, I think Georgetown WANTS to be the best program in the Big East, but I think that other aspects, like keeping the program in the "family" are more important. Take Marquette for example. They essentially fired Wojo because, while he had some moderate success, he simply isn't living up to the standard they want. Georgetown essentially only does that only when alumni get fed up and exert pressure on the administration to make a change. That happened in 2004, it certainly happened in 2017, and I imagine any future changes (for poor performance) will happen under the same circumstances. If the alumni base was fine with our getting to the tournament, let's say twice in ten years, I think DeGioia and the administration would be fine with it too.
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Post by blazeshoya on Apr 4, 2021 15:14:02 GMT -5
What if we could give him Allen Iverson's feet, wouldn't that be something?!!! Or Hakeem or even his former head coach Ewing. Doesn’t matter who’s feet he gets...I don’t believe he has the will or heart to be anything more than what he already is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 15:19:37 GMT -5
What if we could give him Allen Iverson's feet, wouldn't that be something?!!! Or Hakeem or even his former head coach Ewing. I know right? Why couldn't we just let him be himself and we just sit back and be fans and enjoy the ride, right?
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 4, 2021 15:40:27 GMT -5
Saying they are scheduling partners as opposed to basketball peers is high-level semantics in my view but for the sake of argument ill agree with you... My question is why can't/doesn’t Gtown aspire to be the best scheduling partner in the BE? Where would Gtown stand funding wise in the nation if the rent payments were deducted? From an outsider looking in it appears to me Gtowns administration does the bare minimum. Much of this feeling comes from reading posts about the admin from you and others on the board. Plus I still can't get past Ewing’s initial staff hiring, didn't make much sense for a teacher had spent the previous decade+ in the NBA... Where would you rank the administration amongst its 10 other scheduling partners? Happy Easter to all. I do think Georgetown has a financial commitment to basketball. This was largely driven by John Thompson Jr.'s continued involvement, plus the Final Four in 2007 and aftermath. That's in part why we have the practice facility, and why the program is still committed to spending a fair amount of money. While DeGioia and other influential alumni are around (like Mourning on the Board), I think that is going to continue, though long-term I could see Georgetown's will to continue that financial commitment wane if there is different leadership, and if the program ends up in a long-term DePaul-like rut. However, what I do think Georgetown lacks is a true desire to be the best basketball program in the Big East. Granted, I think Georgetown WANTS to be the best program in the Big East, but I think that other aspects, like keeping the program in the "family" are more important. Take Marquette for example. They essentially fired Wojo because, while he had some moderate success, he simply isn't living up to the standard they want. Georgetown essentially only does that only when alumni get fed up and exert pressure on the administration to make a change. That happened in 2004, it certainly happened in 2017, and I imagine any future changes (for poor performance) will happen under the same circumstances. If the alumni base was fine with our getting to the tournament, let's say twice in ten years, I think DeGioia and the administration would be fine with it too. Marquette firing Wojo is not the same as GU firing JT3 or Ewing. Apples to oranges.
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Post by the_way on Apr 4, 2021 15:52:36 GMT -5
Or Hakeem or even his former head coach Ewing. Doesn’t matter who’s feet he gets...I don’t believe he has the will or heart to be anything more than what he already is. Q had heart and will. People questioning his heart or toughness at times are off base. He was raw when he came to G-town. It was evident during his freshmen year. He has grown from year 1 into this past year under the direction of Coach Ewing. That takes will and heart. If he didn't have heart or will, we don't win the Big East tournament with him. Yes, we are all disappointed that he is gone, but he did help G-town just like Coach Ewing and the program helped Q.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 15:54:27 GMT -5
Q even though you broke my heart, I still got love for you man!
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 4, 2021 18:58:35 GMT -5
Q had his limitations, but he was improving each year and gave maximum effort. Too bad we won’t see the trajectory here. This is the oddest transfer ever. There must be something beneath the surface.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Apr 4, 2021 19:09:47 GMT -5
This was a setup...plain and simple...naming a top 5 or 6 was a smokescreen...the notion that he was not comfortable at GU is absurd when the entire student body wasn't even on campus during the year (and if he were uncomfortable, why didn't he leave at the end of last year?)...no, this was a brokered transaction and its obvious...why would he leave when he has shown continued growth/development under a top 50 all-time player, a 7'er who has played and coached as a BIG MAN, at an elite academic university and just coming off an impressive conference championsip? Because he was "uncomfortable"?...horsepucky...his circle was uncomfortable, and he's the victim...could be wrong, but that's how I see it. This was an opportunity for the handler to sell high, that's all it was. No other explanation means anything. When we recruit guys who spent time at fake schools/basketball factories (where Q was before Flint Hill) and have "handlers", then you should not be surprised when garbage like this happens.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Apr 4, 2021 19:34:30 GMT -5
Interesting, if QW does well next season and get's drafted. I wonder if Turgeon will get the credit for his "development" and getting another big in the league? I'm sure he'll probably push that to other recruits.
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Post by hsaxon on Apr 4, 2021 20:29:54 GMT -5
Saying they are scheduling partners as opposed to basketball peers is high-level semantics in my view but for the sake of argument ill agree with you... My question is why can't/doesn’t Gtown aspire to be the best scheduling partner in the BE? Where would Gtown stand funding wise in the nation if the rent payments were deducted? From an outsider looking in it appears to me Gtowns administration does the bare minimum. Much of this feeling comes from reading posts about the admin from you and others on the board. Plus I still can't get past Ewing’s initial staff hiring, didn't make much sense for a teacher had spent the previous decade+ in the NBA... Where would you rank the administration amongst its 10 other scheduling partners? Happy Easter to all. I do think Georgetown has a financial commitment to basketball. This was largely driven by John Thompson Jr.'s continued involvement, plus the Final Four in 2007 and aftermath. That's in part why we have the practice facility, and why the program is still committed to spending a fair amount of money. While DeGioia and other influential alumni are around (like Mourning on the Board), I think that is going to continue, though long-term I could see Georgetown's will to continue that financial commitment wane if there is different leadership, and if the program ends up in a long-term DePaul-like rut. However, what I do think Georgetown lacks is a true desire to be the best basketball program in the Big East. Granted, I think Georgetown WANTS to be the best program in the Big East, but I think that other aspects, like keeping the program in the "family" are more important. Take Marquette for example. They essentially fired Wojo because, while he had some moderate success, he simply isn't living up to the standard they want. Georgetown essentially only does that only when alumni get fed up and exert pressure on the administration to make a change. That happened in 2004, it certainly happened in 2017, and I imagine any future changes (for poor performance) will happen under the same circumstances. If the alumni base was fine with our getting to the tournament, let's say twice in ten years, I think DeGioia and the administration would be fine with it too. When he fired, Esherick, Jack DeGioia said the goal was to have a nationally prominent basketball team/program.
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