hoyainla
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 14, 2019 15:35:09 GMT -5
This is where I am. They spent millions of dollars to get something made that seemingly is meant to be a mix of KenPom and RPI which they seem to value. I don't see how it's not going to play a big part. It would be a big egg on the face. That being said they usually screw the mid majors with great metrics so those aren't as big as a worry as the big conference teams with the mediocre records and great metrics. Honestly, with the way Google Cloud Services is trying to compete with Amazon Web Services, I wouldn’t be surprised if they created the NET metric for a lot less than millions. I think the intention behind NET was a step in the right direction, but it seems obvious it wasn’t tested enough or coaches realized early on that uncapped net efficiency was important. Well the cost is drops in the buckets whatever it was but they clearly decided they needed something different than what they had. I don't see how you can take all the time and gathering so many different people and then just not sticking to it. I would guess any program with an analytics teams quickly figured it out and started running scores up. Teams were only blind for the first 5 or 6 games. I am not sure if it was an intended consequence but this is going to make major conference school schedules even worse (or for us normal 😉) next year with mid majors getting even less games. The way the NCAA coddles the major conference teams maybe that is intentional.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 14, 2019 15:35:15 GMT -5
Gutty win by X. Hankins was a beast down the stretch.
The door is cracking open for the Hoyas. Question is, will we walk through?
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Mar 14, 2019 15:40:20 GMT -5
Gutty win by X. Hankins was a beast down the stretch. The door is cracking open for the Hoyas. Question is, will we walk through? The front gate is unlocked and slowly opening. No electric fences!!! Make it happen tonight. Git’er duhn. Hoya Saxa!!!
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 14, 2019 15:47:25 GMT -5
Us and Xavier have about as identical resumes as two teams can have. I don't see how we jump them unless we win 2 and they win 1.
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Post by tribeninerhoya on Mar 14, 2019 15:49:00 GMT -5
Us and Xavier have about as identical resumes as two teams can have. I don't see how we jump them unless we win 2 and they win 1. Or we win by more, or the teams we beat are higher rated, etc.
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Post by trillesthoya on Mar 14, 2019 15:51:10 GMT -5
Nevada struggling against Boise State. Can’t have any more bid stealers like St. Mary’s.
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 14, 2019 15:54:44 GMT -5
Us and Xavier have about as identical resumes as two teams can have. I don't see how we jump them unless we win 2 and they win 1. Or we win by more, or the teams we beat are higher rated, etc. They are already ahead of us and considering Creighton was ahead on Seton Hall and Nova is ahead of Marquette I dont see that happening.
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Post by hoyas315 on Mar 14, 2019 16:01:19 GMT -5
TCU lost too.
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Post by hoyaduck on Mar 14, 2019 16:08:01 GMT -5
Nevada struggling against Boise State. Can’t have any more bid stealers like St. Mary’s. Nevada pulled it off, fortunately.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Mar 14, 2019 16:22:18 GMT -5
And Washington barely held on. Nevada and Washington have to win out.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Mar 14, 2019 16:24:44 GMT -5
For what it's worth, during the SJU/DePaul telecast last night Gus Johnson asked Bill Raftery, seemingly in a hopeful manner, what he thought about Georgetown's chances for a bid. Raftery pretty much dismissed any chance and said they needed to win 3 to get in.
I was a little surprised...
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 14, 2019 16:27:39 GMT -5
Or we win by more, or the teams we beat are higher rated, etc. They are already ahead of us and considering Creighton was ahead on Seton Hall and Nova is ahead of Marquette I dont see that happening. I think our resume is very, very slightly better than theirs. Slightly better overall wins. More road wins. Our schedule is a bit worse. So...I think if we get to the same point in the tournament as they do, we're likely OK vis-a-vis them. Too close to call, obviously, and reasonable minds could differ.
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Post by hoyaduck on Mar 14, 2019 16:30:33 GMT -5
And Washington barely held on. Nevada and Washington have to win out. Georgetown is my first love (undergrad), so I'm a Hoya fan first, but can't help but cheer for my Ducks in the PAC12 tournament!
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 14, 2019 16:33:34 GMT -5
They are already ahead of us and considering Creighton was ahead on Seton Hall and Nova is ahead of Marquette I dont see that happening. I think our resume is very, very slightly better than theirs. Slightly better overall wins. More road wins. Our schedule is a bit worse. So...I think if we get to the same point in the tournament as they do, we're likely OK vis-a-vis them. Too close to call, obviously, and reasonable minds could differ. Agree. If we win 2 in NYC and they fall to Nova, we will be no worse than 6-7 vs. Q1. They'd be 4-9. That's probably the biggest difference between the two teams profile wise. The NETs, bad losses (2 apiece), H2H and conference records are a dead heat. The other thing working against them is the next loss for them when it comes is #15. Historically, that has been the point of no return for most at-larges. Also why teams like Indiana, Alabama and Texas are fighting battles that I'd say are more uphill than even ours.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 14, 2019 16:43:24 GMT -5
In the meteor game tonight, I want Syracuse working for us. I haven't looked into it, but if they beat Duke, I'm guessing it improves our math. Plus, it would knock Duke out of a #1 seed which is always fun...
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Post by tribeninerhoya on Mar 14, 2019 16:47:52 GMT -5
In the meteor game tonight, I want Syracuse working for us. I haven't looked into it, but if they beat Duke, I'm guessing it improves our math. Plus, it would knock Duke out of a #1 seed which is always fun... True, but it strengthens NCSU's win over them.
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Post by mdtd on Mar 14, 2019 17:03:28 GMT -5
Us and Xavier have about as identical resumes as two teams can have. I don't see how we jump them unless we win 2 and they win 1. Georgetown is better vs q1 at 5-6 vs X's 4-8, better vs q2 because we have played one more game (at this point, tonight would be 2) and have one more win. Very similar NET plus we have a high-quality q1 win (at Marquette) and they don't. We're better on the road too, 5-6 vs their 4-7. Georgetown is ahead, though the teams are close. Just better in most categories and equal in others. Not denying they aren't similar at all as they are, but we are ahead.
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Post by mdtd on Mar 14, 2019 17:05:48 GMT -5
In the meteor game tonight, I want Syracuse working for us. I haven't looked into it, but if they beat Duke, I'm guessing it improves our math. Plus, it would knock Duke out of a #1 seed which is always fun... True, but it strengthens NCSU's win over them. A team that has scored 24 points in a game and lost to Wake should be banned from the tourney. Not to mention, they had the worst Non-con SOS in the country as of yesterday. I'd be very angry if they are let in over us (even with a loss today) or a good mid-major like Belmont.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 14, 2019 17:31:56 GMT -5
For what it's worth, going into tonight, Lunardi still has NC State in the field (last team in). The other last 3 are Florida, Texas, and TCU. Indiana, Clemson, Belmont, and Bama are first four out. We're the only team in the 'next four out' still playing.
So...only us and Bama can move up realistically. It's just a question of how many teams we can jump with each win. (And, of course, we need the other teams still playing to lose....)
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 14, 2019 17:37:09 GMT -5
Us and Xavier have about as identical resumes as two teams can have. I don't see how we jump them unless we win 2 and they win 1. Georgetown is better vs q1 at 5-6 vs X's 4-8, better vs q2 because we have played one more game (at this point, tonight would be 2) and have one more win. Very similar NET plus we have a high-quality q1 win (at Marquette) and they don't. We're better on the road too, 5-6 vs their 4-7. Georgetown is ahead, though the teams are close. Just better in most categories and equal in others. Not denying they aren't similar at all as they are, but we are ahead. Yea I could see it. I was just going more on the fact they are ahead of us albeit slightly in NET, RPI and BPI and significantly ahead of us in KenPom. On a different note its funny how this arbitrary quadrant system could be what saves the Big East since we currently have NET 62, 64, 65, 69, and 70 which are quad 1 road games.
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