royski
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Post by royski on Mar 14, 2019 13:53:06 GMT -5
I think NET seems stupid, but I also think the committee is going to use it, and ours is atrocious. I honestly don't see us getting in as an at-large bid.
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DudeSlade
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Post by DudeSlade on Mar 14, 2019 13:55:05 GMT -5
Do we want Xavier or Creighton to win or does it matter?
Have to think Indiana is now out. Assuming Ohio State loses their next game, I know everyone has them last four in but I don’t understand it. They would be 18-14, 9-13 in conference and lost 7 of final 10 games. Sounds like a team that beat early OOC teams and didn’t get better.
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 14, 2019 13:56:02 GMT -5
Do we want Xavier or Creighton to win or does it matter? Have to think Indiana is now out. Assuming Ohio State loses their next game, I know everyone has them last four in but I don’t understand it. They would be 18-14, 9-13 in conference and lost 7 of final 10 games. Sounds like a team that beat early OOC teams and didn’t get better. Definitely Xavier.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 14, 2019 14:00:51 GMT -5
Do we want Xavier or Creighton to win or does it matter? Have to think Indiana is now out. Assuming Ohio State loses their next game, I know everyone has them last four in but I don’t understand it. They would be 18-14, 9-13 in conference and lost 7 of final 10 games. Sounds like a team that beat early OOC teams and didn’t get better. Only thing I can think of that would help their case is that they lost several games while Wesson was suspended and now he's back. Not sure how much the committee will take that into account.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 14, 2019 14:00:58 GMT -5
Do we want Xavier or Creighton to win or does it matter? Have to think Indiana is now out. Assuming Ohio State loses their next game, I know everyone has them last four in but I don’t understand it. They would be 18-14, 9-13 in conference and lost 7 of final 10 games. Sounds like a team that beat early OOC teams and didn’t get better. They were missing their best player (due to suspension...which one might think should matter...but it doesn't) for the final three regular season games (all losses). I think they're very likely in.
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HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 14, 2019 14:05:50 GMT -5
giving away the SU(ck), xavier and st johns games are going to cost this team.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Mar 14, 2019 14:16:09 GMT -5
Do we want Xavier or Creighton to win or does it matter? Have to think Indiana is now out. Assuming Ohio State loses their next game, I know everyone has them last four in but I don’t understand it. They would be 18-14, 9-13 in conference and lost 7 of final 10 games. Sounds like a team that beat early OOC teams and didn’t get better. Definitely Xavier, and then we need Xavier to promptly lose to Villanova tomorrow. We are in direct competition with Creighton for a bid right now. They need to lose and we need to win ~2.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Mar 14, 2019 14:20:26 GMT -5
I think NET seems stupid, but I also think the committee is going to use it, and ours is atrocious. I honestly don't see us getting in as an at-large bid. This is right, I think. We aren’t one of these teams where NET is materially different from the other widely used data points. We aren’t getting in short of winning the whole damn thing. And since we haven’t won 3 consecutive BE games all year, the likelihood of that is basically nil. I do enjoy the March tourney watching and it make for good discussion though. In any event, a NIT bid in Pat’s second year is an unqualified success IMO and the future is very bright.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 14, 2019 14:26:02 GMT -5
Big run by X to end the half up 7.
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 14, 2019 14:28:23 GMT -5
Going pretty well today. TCU I think was in already regardless.
If results continue to go our way I’d think a win tonight has us firmly in the last 4 out, poised to move up with another win.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 14, 2019 14:42:00 GMT -5
I think NET seems stupid, but I also think the committee is going to use it, and ours is atrocious. I honestly don't see us getting in as an at-large bid. I think it’s fun to keep talking about this and have hope about it, but I agree.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 14, 2019 14:43:37 GMT -5
Out of 114 brackets total:
11. TCU (108) - up vs. Kansas St. 11. Temple (105) 11. St. John's (95) - tonight vs. Marquette 11. Ohio St. (90) - W vs. Indiana 12. NC State (87) - L vs. Virginia 12. Arizona St. (85) - tonight vs. UCLA 12. Florida (78) - W vs. Arkansas 12. Indiana (68) - L vs. Ohio St. ---------------------------------- Out. Texas (59) - tonight vs. Kansas Out. Creighton (47) - down now vs. Xavier Out. Clemson (40) - finished Out. Belmont (28) - finished Out. Georgetown (7) - tonight vs. SHU Out. Alabama (6) - tonight vs. Ole Miss
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Mar 14, 2019 14:46:53 GMT -5
Out of 114 brackets total: 11. TCU (108) - up vs. Kansas St. 11. Temple (105) 11. St. John's (95) - tonight vs. Marquette 11. Ohio St. (90) - W vs. Indiana 12. NC State (87) - L vs. Virginia 12. Arizona St. (85) - tonight vs. UCLA 12. Florida (78) - W vs. Arkansas 12. Indiana (68) - L vs. Ohio St. ---------------------------------- Out. Texas (59) - tonight vs. Kansas Out. Creighton (47) - down now vs. Xavier Out. Clemson (40) - finished Out. Belmont (28) - finished Out. Georgetown (7) - tonight vs. SHU Out. Alabama (6) - tonight vs. Ole Miss Really need Creighton, Texas, Alabama, and AZ St. to blow it tonight. Unlikely to get all 4, but a sweep sets up nicely with a Hall win this evening! Cmon Hoyas!
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hoyainla
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 14, 2019 14:53:06 GMT -5
I think NET seems stupid, but I also think the committee is going to use it, and ours is atrocious. I honestly don't see us getting in as an at-large bid. This is where I am. They spent millions of dollars to get something made that seemingly is meant to be a mix of KenPom and RPI which they seem to value. I don't see how it's not going to play a big part. It would be a big egg on the face. That being said they usually screw the mid majors with great metrics so those aren't as big as a worry as the big conference teams with the mediocre records and great metrics.
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Post by CountAardvark on Mar 14, 2019 14:59:07 GMT -5
I think if we beat SHU and then Beat Marquette/St.Johns to get into the finals we have a very very good chance of being selected. That's not gonna be easy but it's certainly possible. And hell, if we win the BET then we're good too. If this season's big east play has taught us anything it's that nobody is a lock to win the tourney and nobody is a lock to lose it.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 14, 2019 15:07:21 GMT -5
I think NET seems stupid, but I also think the committee is going to use it, and ours is atrocious. I honestly don't see us getting in as an at-large bid. This is where I am. They spent millions of dollars to get something made that seemingly is meant to be a mix of KenPom and RPI which they seem to value. I don't see how it's not going to play a big part. It would be a big egg on the face. That being said they usually screw the mid majors with great metrics so those aren't as big as a worry as the big conference teams with the mediocre records and great metrics. Honestly, with the way Google Cloud Services is trying to compete with Amazon Web Services, I wouldn’t be surprised if they created the NET metric for a lot less than millions. I think the intention behind NET was a step in the right direction, but it seems obvious it wasn’t tested enough or coaches realized early on that uncapped net efficiency was important.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 14, 2019 15:09:44 GMT -5
Out of 114 brackets total: 11. TCU (108) - up vs. Kansas St. 11. Temple (105) 11. St. John's (95) - tonight vs. Marquette 11. Ohio St. (90) - W vs. Indiana 12. NC State (87) - L vs. Virginia 12. Arizona St. (85) - tonight vs. UCLA 12. Florida (78) - W vs. Arkansas 12. Indiana (68) - L vs. Ohio St. ---------------------------------- Out. Texas (59) - tonight vs. Kansas Out. Creighton (47) - down now vs. Xavier Out. Clemson (40) - finished Out. Belmont (28) - finished Out. Georgetown (7) - tonight vs. SHU Out. Alabama (6) - tonight vs. Ole Miss Really need Creighton, Texas, Alabama, and AZ St. to blow it tonight. Unlikely to get all 4, but a sweep sets up nicely with a Hall win this evening! Cmon Hoyas! If you believe that TCU, St. John's, and Ohio St. are safe now with a win, then we're really talking about a maximum of 5 spots for 11 teams. Of those 11 teams, 4 have lost or are already finished. That's 5 spots for 7 teams still in play. While we likely started the race this week from behind, I like our odds to create enough movement with 2 wins if that's what we're facing.
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 14, 2019 15:11:19 GMT -5
Really need Xavier to hold on here. Lost their 12 pt lead.
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Post by letstalkaboutsaxa on Mar 14, 2019 15:14:08 GMT -5
Thankfully NC State and Indiana lost today. Helps to diminish the bubble some, but we still have work to do for sure (and even then, only way we might get in is as an at-large).
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Post by tribeninerhoya on Mar 14, 2019 15:33:55 GMT -5
And down goes Creighton
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