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Post by hoyarooter on Nov 26, 2020 19:22:44 GMT -5
Pardon me for not taking much solace in this. In reality the percentage should have been around 5%, which allows for fringe wackos. It's helpful, of course, that the percentage is going up, but the fact (and I consider this a real fact, not a Trump fact) that these are the numbers is extremely disheartening. As SS says, malignant Republicans.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 26, 2020 19:53:02 GMT -5
Pardon me for not taking much solace in this. In reality the percentage should have been around 5%, which allows for fringe wackos. It's helpful, of course, that the percentage is going up, but the fact (and I consider this a real fact, not a Trump fact) that these are the numbers is extremely disheartening. As SS says, malignant Republicans. I would also add that the Confederacy, the Lost Cause, and the glorification of Robert E. Lee and the Southerners (and others throughout the country) who continue to glorify them are the epitome of sore losers. And they have survived for 160 years. These same White supremacists Republicans are seeing their grasp on power slowly slipping through their fingers and Trumpism will be their new Lost Cause because they will ignorantly continue to believe the 2020 election was stolen from them. Sadly, 73 million sore losers compel me as a non-White Anerican to view my country in a wholly different light.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 26, 2020 20:25:30 GMT -5
I would also add that the Confederacy, the Lost Cause, and the glorification of Robert E. Lee and the Southerners (and others throughout the country) who continue to glorify them are the epitome of sore losers. And they have survived for 160 years. These same White supremacists Republicans are seeing their grasp on power slowly slipping through their fingers and Trumpism will be their new Lost Cause because they will ignorantly continue to believe the 2020 election was stolen from them. Sadly, 73 million sore losers compel me as a non-White American to view my country in a wholly different light. FWIW, the Lost Cause was a distinctly Democratic cause through much of its history--Woodrow Wilson, Ted Bilbo, George Wallace, etc. were all proud Democrats. The John Birchers were shunned from the Republican base in the 1950's, albeit unsucessfully because they eventually folded into Nixon's Silent Majority. Not all Trump voters are white supremacists (certainly not in Miami-Dade County or the Rio Grande Valley). In some but not all cases, they live in states with little or no Democratic representation and are force-fed a cable TV narrative that Democrats do not tolerate their cultural and social interests. Try being a pro-hunting or pro-life Democrat and see how far you get. This is the problem with two tribes instead of two parties. Conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans served as checks and balance on unfettered windbags on both parties. No one is there to do so now.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 26, 2020 20:53:44 GMT -5
I would also add that the Confederacy, the Lost Cause, and the glorification of Robert E. Lee and the Southerners (and others throughout the country) who continue to glorify them are the epitome of sore losers. And they have survived for 160 years. These same White supremacists Republicans are seeing their grasp on power slowly slipping through their fingers and Trumpism will be their new Lost Cause because they will ignorantly continue to believe the 2020 election was stolen from them. Sadly, 73 million sore losers compel me as a non-White American to view my country in a wholly different light. FWIW, the Lost Cause was a distinctly Democratic cause through much of its history--Woodrow Wilson, Ted Bilbo, George Wallace, etc. were all proud Democrats. The John Birchers were shunned from the Republican base in the 1950's, albeit unsucessfully because they eventually folded into Nixon's Silent Majority. Not all Trump voters are white supremacists (certainly not in Miami-Dade County or the Rio Grande Valley). In some but not all cases, they live in states with little or no Democratic representation and are force-fed a cable TV narrative that Democrats do not tolerate their cultural and social interests. Try being a pro-hunting or pro-life Democrat and see how far you get. This is the problem with two tribes instead of two parties. Conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans served as checks and balance on unfettered windbags on both parties. No one is there to do so now. I'm well aware of the Dixiecrats and how Nixon's Southern Strategy brought all the racists into the Republican Party. The core of the Trump Republican Party is racism and xenophobia. I'll take Stuart Stevens word for it -- the party of White grievance. “I saw the warning signs but ignored them,” confessed Republican strategist Stuart Stevens in his 2020 New York Times op-ed, going on to acknowledge racism as “the original sin of the modern Republican Party.” Stevens was introducing his book It Was All a Lie: How the Republican Party Became Donald Trump¹: I spent decades working to elect Republicans, including Mr. Romney and four other presidential candidates, and I am here to bear reluctant witness that Mr. Trump didn’t hijack the Republican Party. He is the logical conclusion of what the party became over the past 50 or so years, a natural product of the seeds of race-baiting, self-deception and anger that now dominate it. I saw the warning signs but ignored them and chose to believe what I wanted to believe: The party wasn’t just a white grievance party; there was still a big tent; the others guys were worse. Many of us in the party saw this dark side and told ourselves it was a recessive gene. We were wrong. It turned out to be the dominant gene. “And it’s all about race. The Republican Party is a white party and there still are more white people than non-white people.” So that is whom the party aims at—even if this will eventually be a losing proposition as the nation’s demographics continue to shift. Ronald Reagan achieved a landslide victory in 1980 by bagging 56 percent of white voters; 28 years later, John McCain lost with 55 percent of white voters. Perhaps the party’s fixation on white voters can work one more time with Trump in 2020. “But we’re talking about the Confederacy—literally,” Stevens said. www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/08/racism-republican-party-stuart-stevens/
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 26, 2020 21:04:23 GMT -5
"Cultural war" is simply a proxy for race in the Trump Republican Party. That figure is now 73 million Americans who are complicit in the GOP's overt racism. About a year ago, I finished writing a book in which I posited that race was the original sin of the modern Republican Party and that the rise of President Donald Trump is based more on white grievance than any other factor. It was a conviction I had come to after over 30 years of working in Republican politics, including five presidential campaigns. To me it seemed an inescapable if depressing reality. It’s clear his instinct is to make the 2020 election a cultural war, which in his interpretation is just a socially acceptable term for a race war. Why? How does this make any political sense? The answer is that it doesn’t but it is what Trump wants to do. Steve Bannon liked to say of Trump, “Dude, he’s Archie Bunker, Whenever I tell my Republican friends that I think racial animosity is the root of Trump’s appeal, the inevitable and often angry rejoinder is, “Are you saying that 63 million Americans are racists?” What I try to point out to them is that you don’t have to consider yourself a racist (and, of course, most racists don’t consider themselves racists) but you do have to be willing to accept that having a racist president is less important than something else you are getting from that president. www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2020/08/02/republicans-embrace-trump-racism-give-up-on-black-voters-column/5559249002/Since the civil rights revolution triggered an influx of resentful Southern whites, the GOP has catered to white grievance and anxiety. Trump’s transformative contribution has been to make racial antagonism overt—a badge of pride that bonds him to his followers in opposition to a pluralist democracy that threatens their imperiled social and political hegemony. thebulwark.com/trumps-gop-is-increasingly-racist-and-authoritarian-and-here-to-stay/
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Post by tashoya on Nov 26, 2020 21:21:21 GMT -5
People choose to watch propaganda TV. Regardless of where they live, it's not as though there aren't other ways to consume content. People aren't "force-fed" anything at this point. They've decided that they like eating in that place and keep returning because it suits their own narrative, however well or poorly informed. If one has formed their political stances based on sheer laziness, that's not an excuse. It's a problem. Fox, and now OANN and Newscast, are pushing the narrative that the viewers want because it's what resonates with them. A lot of that, indisputably, is filled with lies and thinly-veiled white supremacy rhetoric. The sheep aren't going there to drink because it's the only place with water. They're surrounded by oases. They choose these outlets.
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Post by hoyajinx on Nov 26, 2020 21:29:56 GMT -5
People choose to watch propaganda TV. Regardless of where they live, it's not as though there aren't other ways to consume content. People aren't "force-fed" anything at this point. They've decided that they like eating in that place and keep returning because it suits their own narrative, however well or poorly informed. If one has formed their political stances based on sheer laziness, that's not an excuse. It's a problem. Fox, and now OANN and Newscast, are pushing the narrative that the viewers want because it's what resonates with them. A lot of that, indisputably, is filled with lies and thinly-veiled white supremacy rhetoric. The sheep aren't going there to drink because it's the only place with water. They're surrounded by oases. They choose these outlets. To a large extent, I agree, but I think you are underestimating the effect of social media on the population. I highly recommend “The Social Dilemma” on Netflix. Former high ranking employees of various social media outlets discuss how these networks actively manipulate their users to keep them engaged. Oftentimes, this results in the radicalization of users. I think this past election and the rampant misinformation that sprung up everywhere is proof positive of the disastrous effect that social media has had on society.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 26, 2020 21:37:12 GMT -5
"Cultural war" is simply a proxy for race in the Trump Republican Party. That figure is now 73 million Americans who are complicit in the GOP's overt racism. About a year ago, I finished writing a book in which I posited that race was the original sin of the modern Republican Party and that the rise of President Donald Trump is based more on white grievance than any other factor. It was a conviction I had come to after over 30 years of working in Republican politics, including five presidential campaigns. To me it seemed an inescapable if depressing reality. It’s clear his instinct is to make the 2020 election a cultural war, which in his interpretation is just a socially acceptable term for a race war. Why? How does this make any political sense? America has to stop seeing this on a white-black axis. The largest minority group in the US (18% in 2020, 25% of the electorate within 25 years) is Hispanic, and their votes are not as predictable as either group. I do not subscribe to the argument that this group are de facto white supremacists. www.as-coa.org/articles/chart-how-us-latinos-voted-2020-presidential-election
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 26, 2020 21:45:23 GMT -5
"Cultural war" is simply a proxy for race in the Trump Republican Party. That figure is now 73 million Americans who are complicit in the GOP's overt racism. About a year ago, I finished writing a book in which I posited that race was the original sin of the modern Republican Party and that the rise of President Donald Trump is based more on white grievance than any other factor. It was a conviction I had come to after over 30 years of working in Republican politics, including five presidential campaigns. To me it seemed an inescapable if depressing reality. It’s clear his instinct is to make the 2020 election a cultural war, which in his interpretation is just a socially acceptable term for a race war. Why? How does this make any political sense? America has to stop seeing this on a white-black axis. The largest minority group in the US (18% in 2020, 25% of the electorate within 25 years) is Hispanic, and their votes are not as predictable as either group. I do not subscribe to the argument that this group are de facto white supremacists. www.as-coa.org/articles/chart-how-us-latinos-voted-2020-presidential-electionThe flight to whiteness - 3 articles from 2014, 2016 and 2018. It's not a trend reversing in 2020. And while they may not identify as White supremacists the self-identification as White will continue. Consider a new study of census returns reported on by the Pew Research Center. It showed, apparently, that significant numbers of Hispanics are now identifying as white. The research was presented at the recent Population Association of America meeting. Some news reports suggested that Hispanics, rather than solidifying a distinct ethnic identity and becoming the driving force of a "majority-minority" future, might instead try to be just the latest group of immigrants, such as Italians or Jews, to "become white." www.cnn.com/2014/05/29/opinion/liu-study-hispanics-favor-whiteness/index.htmlA similar preference for whiteness is present among Hispanics who select a single category as their racial identity. In the 2010 census, the majority of Hispanic respondents, 53 percent, said they are white, a mere 2.5 percent said they are black, and more than 35 percent chose a category other than black or white (some choosing "Hispanic" itself or their national origin as their racial classification). A majority of "single race" Hispanics selected a white racial identity. prospect.org/civil-rights/latino-flight-whiteness/Despite a decade of research and testing of a new Latino identity question for the 2020 Census, the Trump administration announced in January it was sticking with the two-part 2010 question for Hispanics. It won't have a "Hispanic origin" category as one of the race options, which would have allowed people to also mark a second ethno-racial category like "white" and thus reflect more accurately how some Hispanics see themselves. www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/will-2020-census-miss-reality-latino-numbers-identity-n897976
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Post by tashoya on Nov 26, 2020 21:48:57 GMT -5
People choose to watch propaganda TV. Regardless of where they live, it's not as though there aren't other ways to consume content. People aren't "force-fed" anything at this point. They've decided that they like eating in that place and keep returning because it suits their own narrative, however well or poorly informed. If one has formed their political stances based on sheer laziness, that's not an excuse. It's a problem. Fox, and now OANN and Newscast, are pushing the narrative that the viewers want because it's what resonates with them. A lot of that, indisputably, is filled with lies and thinly-veiled white supremacy rhetoric. The sheep aren't going there to drink because it's the only place with water. They're surrounded by oases. They choose these outlets. To a large extent, I agree, but I think you are underestimating the effect of social media on the population. I highly recommend “The Social Dilemma” on Netflix. Former high ranking employees of various social media outlets discuss how these networks actively manipulate their users to keep them engaged. Oftentimes, this results in the radicalization of users. I think this past election and the rampant misinformation that sprung up everywhere is proof positive of the disastrous effect that social media has had on society. I've seen it but I do appreciate the reco. I think it's worth a watch for everyone. Especially, those with younger kids. I do understand its point and yours as well. I'm only saying that there are choices involved. Yes, the sites are designed to addict people and compete for attention. But, at the end of the day, there's still an element of choice and there are plenty of actual news outlets that are accessible to many if not most. Having said that, I was more responding to DFW's post about certain states being deep red and Fox being THE outlet. There are plenty of outlets. But, I very much agree that people getting their news from links on FB, Twitter, etc., is hugely problematic.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2020 23:43:55 GMT -5
How can you run around calling everybody "snowflake" and then vote for this man because "he's tough." 🤔😅
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Post by RusskyHoya on Nov 27, 2020 10:30:17 GMT -5
It probably says something that even NFL franchises, whose fanbase is decidedly in the pro-Trump demographic, are now openly mocking the Sore-Loser-in-Chief
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