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Post by reformation on Nov 14, 2018 20:31:20 GMT -5
Any impact for Gtwn from the new Crystal City location. Wonder if we played any role in the bid
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 15, 2018 1:00:05 GMT -5
Only to the extent that we were able to influence the cheapness of real estate costs in Crystal City I'd imagine.
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Post by reformation on Nov 16, 2018 14:11:47 GMT -5
I heard that there was something in the bid re building a new university tech campus near the site--presumably not involving us(VT, George Mason, UVA?)
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 16, 2018 17:53:01 GMT -5
I was mainly being sarcastic - that would certainly be intriguing but I haven’t heard anything Hoya-specific along those lines.
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Post by sead43 on Nov 20, 2018 22:50:34 GMT -5
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 20, 2018 23:36:09 GMT -5
I wouldn’t expect GU to be innovative.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 21, 2018 0:34:08 GMT -5
It's hard to take Georgetown seriously about any land deal because there are so many examples of falling short. The talk a decade ago was about buying "the next 100 acres" within the Beltway. Walter Reed? No. Hill East (better known as DC General)? No. St. Elizabeth's? No. The AFL-CIO campus? No. Georgetown hasn't bought any significant real estate since the Law Center. Development along the Silver Line is already gobbling up Loudoun County and there aren't many parcels of land opening up inside 495. As it relates to Amazon, VPI would seem a good fit because they brought the goods. A one million SF commitment is significant, and one which Georgetown has been traditionally slow to commit to.
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Post by Elvado on Nov 21, 2018 6:17:00 GMT -5
It's hard to take Georgetown seriously about any land deal because there are so many examples of falling short. The talk a decade ago was about buying "the next 100 acres" within the Beltway. Walter Reed? No. Hill East (better known as DC General)? No. St. Elizabeth's? No. The AFL-CIO campus? No. Georgetown hasn't bought any significant real estate since the Law Center. Development along the Silver Line is already gobbling up Loudoun County and there aren't many parcels of land opening up inside 495. As it relates to Amazon, VPI would seem a good fit because they brought the goods. A one million SF commitment is significant, and one which Georgetown has been traditionally slow to commit to. Was thinking just that as the ladies played their soccer game at GW’s Mount Vernon athletic complex...
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 21, 2021 10:31:51 GMT -5
It's hard to take Georgetown seriously about any land deal because there are so many examples of falling short. The talk a decade ago was about buying "the next 100 acres" within the Beltway. Walter Reed? No. Hill East (better known as DC General)? No. St. Elizabeth's? No. The AFL-CIO campus? No. Georgetown hasn't bought any significant real estate since the Law Center. Development along the Silver Line is already gobbling up Loudoun County and there aren't many parcels of land opening up inside 495. As it relates to Amazon, VPI would seem a good fit because they brought the goods. A one million SF commitment is significant, and one which Georgetown has been traditionally slow to commit to. Somehow missed this the first time around... 'Georgetown Downtown' may not be 100 acres, but between the 91,000 square feet of the School of Continuing Studies and the 130,000 square feet at Capitol Crossing (to be fair, that was announced publicly after your 2018 post), you're talking about a pretty sizable chunk of real estate. www.georgetown.edu/news/new-building-to-expand-georgetowns-capitol-hill-presence-academic-opportunities/
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Post by hoyaguy on Mar 21, 2021 11:23:19 GMT -5
Should offer Bezos the deal that we open an applied sciences (engineering) undergrad school that bears his name if he donates a giant truckload of money that will refresh Reiss to state of the art, boost endowment, increase ranking by dumping the no-engineering bias, bounce back from pandemic easier, and make a connection to Amazon H2
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 21, 2021 12:25:19 GMT -5
The Reiss footprint is limited. I wish Bezos could buy us some adjacent land.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 21, 2021 12:50:51 GMT -5
Should offer Bezos the deal that we open an applied sciences (engineering) undergrad school that bears his name if he donates a giant truckload of money that will refresh Reiss to state of the art, boost endowment, increase ranking by dumping the no-engineering bias, bounce back from pandemic easier, and make a connection to Amazon H2 In the DMV you have three undergraduate engineering schools. University of Maryland (#20 nationally ranked), GWU (#67), Howard (#140) and CUA (in the 150s). George Mason also has an engineering school. Plus Va Tech has an Arlington campus for graduate engineering programs. I don't see Bezos ponying up $$ for a new engineering school. In order to broaden educational opportunities for its students, Georgetown University offers a 3/2 Combined Plan joint degree in partnership with the Fu Foundation School of Engineering and Applied Science (new window) at Columbia University. college.georgetown.edu/academics/majors-minors-and-certificates/science-engineering/IIRC in the 1980s(?) Georgetown had a joint math/engineering program with CUA.
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Post by hoyaguy on Mar 21, 2021 16:36:20 GMT -5
Should offer Bezos the deal that we open an applied sciences (engineering) undergrad school that bears his name if he donates a giant truckload of money that will refresh Reiss to state of the art, boost endowment, increase ranking by dumping the no-engineering bias, bounce back from pandemic easier, and make a connection to Amazon H2 In the DMV you have three undergraduate engineering schools. University of Maryland (#20 nationally ranked), GWU (#67), Howard (#140) and CUA (in the 150s). George Mason also has an engineering school. Plus Va Tech has an Arlington campus for graduate engineering programs. I don't see Bezos ponying up $$ for a new engineering school. In order to broaden educational opportunities for its students, Georgetown University offers a 3/2 Combined Plan joint degree in partnership with the Fu Foundation School of Engineering and Applied Science (new window) at Columbia University. college.georgetown.edu/academics/majors-minors-and-certificates/science-engineering/IIRC in the 1980s(?) Georgetown had a joint math/engineering program with CUA. It was more of a joke honestly because as someone said that any chance for a connection was long ago and this would've required the university to actually be proactive and push for big change LOL. Also, I could see him ponying up the money because like all billionaires he is very vain and would not mind his name on an engineering school in a top 25 college a mile from his two houses (also anything to improve his image is not bad these days). That 3/2 thing is good but probably does not help us in terms of rankings and prestige (or at least is not as effective as just having our own even if it is a small one, Dartmouth has about 100 undergrads a year in engineering), also that is just not an ideal scenario of 5 years to someone who does not have the money, time, or the desire to move during undergrad. Personally I would've just taken a stab at it with Bezos back when this was announced and the new labs were finished, since the school is balancing a very tight budget right now and could have killed multiple birds at once with this move.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 21, 2021 17:00:30 GMT -5
In the DMV you have three undergraduate engineering schools. University of Maryland (#20 nationally ranked), GWU (#67), Howard (#140) and CUA (in the 150s). George Mason also has an engineering school. Plus Va Tech has an Arlington campus for graduate engineering programs. I don't see Bezos ponying up $$ for a new engineering school. In order to broaden educational opportunities for its students, Georgetown University offers a 3/2 Combined Plan joint degree in partnership with the Fu Foundation School of Engineering and Applied Science (new window) at Columbia University. college.georgetown.edu/academics/majors-minors-and-certificates/science-engineering/IIRC in the 1980s(?) Georgetown had a joint math/engineering program with CUA. It was more of a joke honestly because as someone said that any chance for a connection was long ago and this would've required the university to actually be proactive and push for big change LOL. Also, I could see him ponying up the money because like all billionaires he is very vain and would not mind his name on an engineering school in a top 25 college a mile from his two houses (also anything to improve his image is not bad these days). That 3/2 thing is good but probably does not help us in terms of rankings and prestige (or at least is not as effective as just having our own even if it is a small one, Dartmouth has about 100 undergrads a year in engineering), also that is just not an ideal scenario of 5 years to someone who does not have the money, time, or the desire to move during undergrad. Personally I would've just taken a stab at it with Bezos back when this was announced and the new labs were finished, since the school is balancing a very tight budget right now and could have killed multiple birds at once with this move. Yes, GU not particularly forward looking. Funny thing is that I was admitted to Maryland Engineering School - twice. Once right out of high school but chose to go SFS instead then law school. Spent 4 years as a Navy JAG with GI Bill benefits and was again admitted to MD Engineering school but declined once I secured a job at DOJ. I had harbored idea of going into patent law. Two uncles and three cousins all MD-educated engineers.
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Post by reformation on Mar 21, 2021 20:55:55 GMT -5
To get someone like Bezos to seriously look at something we'd have to partner with somebody who has credibility and want to expand their footprint in the area--just guessing maybe Columbia(since we have a small connection) and Johns Hopkins--near, but not quite elite at engineering and local-maybe MIT, but not sure what we'd add to them. We do not have credibility on our own to make a serious pitch to Bezos in this area--would have been a good and somewhat obvious idea several years ago.
As an aside I was involved in setting up the Gtwn/Columbia program(Columbia approved in a few weeks--Gtwn took a few years , but eventually got to the right place!)
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 21, 2021 22:08:31 GMT -5
Yeah, realistically, so long as Georgetown continues to be subject to a strict undergraduate enrollment cap, it is not about to embark on anything like launching a truly new (I'm not talking about the NHS split) undergraduate school. If anything remotely like that were ever floated, the path forward would be to start off as a graduate-only enterprise that was not on Main Campus, and then maybe a slow expansion into some undergraduate offerings. The rule of thumb, though, is that the undergraduate experience is a residential experience, on-site Main Campus experience (study abroad and the Covid period notwithstanding). The enrollment caps act as a pretty hard constraint on the expansion of that experience to more students.
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Post by reformation on Mar 21, 2021 23:41:15 GMT -5
Just a question Russky on your above post--I understand this is somewhat theoretical but why wouldn't it make sense to have a more balanced undergrad in terms of major dist even with the enrollment cap--objectively it seems that we have relatively way too many kids in non stem fields vs pretty much all other elite schools. Would think we'd just have fewer social science and humanities majors(maybe bus too) which would be replaced by engineering, or we'd have many more joint degrees,i.e., engr + bus, engr + lib arts etc
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Just a question Russky on your above post--I understand this is somewhat theoretical but why wouldn't it make sense to have a more balanced undergrad in terms of major dist even with the enrollment cap--objectively it seems that we have relatively way too many kids in non stem fields vs pretty much all other elite schools. Would think we'd just have fewer social science and humanities majors(maybe bus too) which would be replaced by engineering, or we'd have many more joint degrees,i.e., engr + bus, engr + lib arts etc So this is an interesting question that one could take in any number of different directions. I'll tackle it here by riffing on a couple of spinoff questions of my own. Question 1: Is "balance" - however defined - necessarily desirable?I think the answer to this is "no." There's plenty of esteemed, prestigious institutions of higher learning out there that are no one's idea of balanced. Cooper Union, the Webb Institute, SCAD and RISD and FIT, CalTech, Embry-Riddle, Scripps, and so on. So balance is not, in and of itself, an unalloyed good. But is it desirable for Georgetown specifically? Here, the answer does appear to be more in the affirmative. The Jesuit philosophy emphasizes well-roundedness, with its Mind/Body/Spirit exhortations, and the university conceives of itself as being squarely in the liberal Western academic tradition. It was founded as a liberal arts college, with the multiplicity of disciplines that entails. The more explicitly pre-professional programs of the other undergraduate schools don't really detract from this, in my view - they merely add more threads to the tapestry. So OK, we're established that balance isn't the end-all be-all, but it is a value that Georgetown embraces to some extent. Question 2: Is there one true state of "balance" that every balance-seeking institution should pursue?Here, I think the answer is no. While Georgetown doesn't do the best job of providing data on the breakdowns of majors, leaving me to rely in part on decade-plus old institutional memory from my time working at admissions, I do think I have a pretty good sense of the ways in which Georgetown's student body is 'imbalances' in its academic courses of study, relative to various standards like "all the programs it offers" and "all the programs it could plausibly offer." But of course, by those standards, pretty much every liberal arts institution is unbalanced in one way or another for myriad reasons. And there's no indication that they all view themselves as falling short of some shared, unitary North Star. So if there's no one picture of balance that everyone agrees on, then... Question 3: What does an optimal balance look like at Georgetown?Since there's no one answer to this question, it stands to reason that many different people will have their own answer. The one you've articulated - which is a common one! - is that there's not enough STEM majors and too many social science/humanities ones. There seems to be little question that STEM majors are underrepresented at Georgetown (there's a pretty significant number of people doing Pre-Med on top of non-STEM majors, but still), relative to *most* peer (or near-peer, perceived-peer, aspirational-peer) institutions. But...what do we do with this information? On some level, this is a value judgment: people who weight STEM more will surely view this as a negative. Those who more heavily emphasize non-STEM pursuits are more likely to see this as a non-problem. Who is 'right?' Is that even the proper way to think about this? --- For myself, while I am very much a future-oriented person, I do also give 'great weight' (DC Advisory Neighborhood Commission inside joke) to institutional history - the past - and existing competitive advantage - the present. What I see through those lenses is that the 'hard sciences' tend to be very facility-intensive. This is a challenge for a school with a very limited footprint and located in a very expensive area. In many ways, it makes a lot more sense to throw up a bunch of labs on a greenfield owned by a land grant college somewhere out in a rural-adjacent area, a place where the barriers to bringing in swarms of undergrad and grad students to work those labs are much lower. Los Alamos is not exactly in the middle of a bustling metropolis. Neither is Sandia or Lawrence Livermore or...well, you get the idea. Point being: to me, Georgetown's competitive advantage lies in areas other than STEM... and that's ok. I see no compelling need - a desire for balance or otherwise - that requires the university to create an engineering program from scratch or to make the student body more STEM-focused.
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Point being: to me, Georgetown's competitive advantage lies in areas other than STEM... and that's ok. I see no compelling need - a desire for balance or otherwise - that requires the university to create an engineering program from scratch or to make the student body more STEM-focused. I think there's a middle ground here as it pertains to Amazon creating an H2 in Crystal City - Amazon probably doesn't need engineering students. Amazon isn't going to be building chipsets or making semiconductors in Crystal City - you don't need to have an EE or Computer Engineering or Mechanical Engineering program to take advantage of them creating a bunch of jobs there, opportunities for research, and possible internships for your students. Georgetown has had a Computer Science program for like 40 years. Maybe fund that a little bit more?
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