EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 14, 2018 9:34:08 GMT -5
he's the reason I wasn't the least bit worried about losing Walker. He needs to be in the starting lineup. He definitely needs to be starting and/or getting starter minutes. In my mind, the guy is clearly one of our five best players already and has a ton of potential. He’s a joy to watch. I prefer to have him come in as the energy spark off the bench... As the season goes on his minutes played will increase..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 10:05:55 GMT -5
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Nov 14, 2018 12:43:52 GMT -5
We are just getting 2yrs.....the kid has pro written all over him......I think we are gonna be good this year but next year will be special.... He really does...I agree. Perhaps the best nba prospect on the team. He’s so athletic, an incredible defender, plays with energy and a great finisher. yea, once he becomes proficient from three and gets a bit of an off the dribble game, it's a wrap, he's gone. He's already an NBA defender, NBA athlete and has an NBA body...if we get him for three years, that's fortunate
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 14, 2018 12:56:06 GMT -5
Josh is a really special athlete. To see him perform last night against an Illinois team, that has some big time athletes, is really impressive. I don't think the starting thing is that big a deal, but I do want him on the floor at the end of any close game to defend and rebound. He just makes plays with his length/athleticism that no one else on the team can make. I think Coach Ewing likes having Trey in the starting lineup because he knows Trey will be in the right place and try to make the correct play all the time and that helps settle down the rest of the starters, who are mostly pretty young. Trey is doing a great job so far, but what holds him back is that he is just not an explosive athlete, like Josh. He plays smart and knows his role and plays really hard and with great passion. Josh just has the ability to do some things that not many other players can. You're right in that I don't really care if LeBlanc starts but once we get to the Big East, it's hard to envision a scenario where he shouldn't be getting close to 30 minutes a game. I am sure Ewing has reasons for starting/playing Mourning, but it's already clear that LeBlanc is the better player. No doubt, Mourning seems like a good kid, but objectively, he has not done great. Most problematically, he is a turnover machine - he's turned it over 12 times playing 87 minutes so far. That is a really bad turnover rate, and the impact of that is really huge, since it's essentially handing the other team points (and in a close game would make the difference). Also, some of his fouls are head scratching. I think he's been called for at least two illegal screens so far - that's a fundamental that a smart player should avoid. And, his defense can be pretty bad at times (to be fair, so is the defense of almost everyone else on our team). Mourning does seem to do a pretty good job at passing/finding assists. I am not saying he shouldn't play, just that the balance needs to go more in favor of LeBlanc if we want to have a chance to beat better teams. Trey's 4 turnovers against Central Connecticut may not be game-deciding, but once we get into tight spots, things like that can really kill a team.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 14, 2018 13:08:05 GMT -5
He really does...I agree. Perhaps the best nba prospect on the team. He’s so athletic, an incredible defender, plays with energy and a great finisher. yea, once he becomes proficient from three and gets a bit of an off the dribble game, it's a wrap, he's gone. He's already an NBA defender, NBA athlete and has an NBA body...if we get him for three years, that's fortunate He's very far away from being proficient from 3 though, he hasn't even attempted a jumper yet that I can recall let alone a 3... Seems to me he's a ways away from being close to ready offensively to make the jump...
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Nov 14, 2018 13:29:18 GMT -5
yea, once he becomes proficient from three and gets a bit of an off the dribble game, it's a wrap, he's gone. He's already an NBA defender, NBA athlete and has an NBA body...if we get him for three years, that's fortunate He's very far away from being proficient from 3 though, he hasn't even attempted a jumper yet that I can recall let alone a 3... Seems to me he's a ways away from being close to ready offensively to make the jump... You get with the right guy and work hard enough, finding a jumper only takes a summer....He's closer than you think offensively. He's already terrific moving without the basketball. He's a great finisher and you don't have to run plays for him to make an impact for you offensively. Those are all valuable skillsets.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 14, 2018 19:21:11 GMT -5
He's very far away from being proficient from 3 though, he hasn't even attempted a jumper yet that I can recall let alone a 3... Seems to me he's a ways away from being close to ready offensively to make the jump... You get with the right guy and work hard enough, finding a jumper only takes a summer....He's closer than you think offensively. He's already terrific moving without the basketball. He's a great finisher and you don't have to run plays for him to make an impact for you offensively. Those are all valuable skillsets. I'm not sure a player with what looks to be a limited perimeter game can find a proficient 3pt game over a summer but I hope it'll happen for him... Agree completely on his existing skill set..
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Post by IDenj on Nov 14, 2018 20:23:08 GMT -5
Why isn’t his c silent? It just doesn’t sound right.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 14, 2018 20:26:23 GMT -5
You get with the right guy and work hard enough, finding a jumper only takes a summer....He's closer than you think offensively. He's already terrific moving without the basketball. He's a great finisher and you don't have to run plays for him to make an impact for you offensively. Those are all valuable skillsets. I'm not sure a player with what looks to be a limited perimeter game can find a proficient 3pt game over a summer but I hope it'll happen for him... Agree completely on his existing skill set.. Jabril Trawick.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 14, 2018 20:30:12 GMT -5
I'm not sure a player with what looks to be a limited perimeter game can find a proficient 3pt game over a summer but I hope it'll happen for him... Agree completely on his existing skill set.. Jabril Trawick. What about Jabril? He never shot above 32% from 3 until his Senior year and he came in as a wing...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 14, 2018 22:20:12 GMT -5
You referred to "a player" not "a guard". JT shot 24% as a freshman with pretty bad mechanics, improved to 30% the next year, then from 31% as a junior to over 40% over the next summer. Had a very smooth stroke by the end of his career.
A player with poor mechanics can absolutely fix those mechanics and drastically improve IF they are willing to re-learn the mechanics and shoot thousands of shots in the off-season. Not predicting Mac will be able to do it, but I have no doubt he will be willing to put in the work. If he can get up to 30% with his other skills it will make him that much harder to defend.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 14, 2018 22:34:18 GMT -5
You referred to "a player" not "a guard". JT shot 24% as a freshman with pretty bad mechanics, improved to 30% the next year, then from 31% as a junior to over 40% over the next summer. Had a very smooth stroke by the end of his career. A player with poor mechanics can absolutely fix those mechanics and drastically improve IF they are willing to re-learn the mechanics and shoot thousands of shots in the off-season. Not predicting Mac will be able to do it, but I have no doubt he will be willing to put in the work. If he can get up to 30% with his other skills it will make him that much harder to defend. Myself & Daytona were talking about Josh developing as a jump shooter, not Mac... A lot of folks have Mac mania right now...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 14, 2018 22:56:05 GMT -5
My mistake, guess Mclung fever has attacked my powers of attention! I can't say I recall seeing Josh take any shot outside 5 feet, although I am sure he has. But you are certainly right that it is hard to see him as a perimeter threat!
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 15, 2018 7:04:28 GMT -5
I saw him make at least 1 three pointer in his high school state championship game. Not saying it is a strong part of his game, but I remember because I had given him no credit for a perimeter game and then he went and did it.
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Post by 95hoya on Nov 16, 2018 11:20:25 GMT -5
I don't care about his shooting. He's an energy guy on offense and an elite defender already. He's an absolute building block.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 16, 2018 11:56:54 GMT -5
Exactly, Junkyard Dog had no perimeter game but was a critical piece of the puzzle. Josh will be a huge asset for 4 years.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 16, 2018 12:00:52 GMT -5
Exactly, Junkyard Dog had no perimeter game but was a critical piece of the puzzle. Josh will be a huge asset for 4 years. I loved that man.
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Post by SirSaxa on Nov 16, 2018 12:02:16 GMT -5
LeBlanc has already demonstrated he will have a great Hoya career. However, if he wants a career beyond that (anywhere) his game would be a lot stronger with a dependable outside shot. His value to Coach Pat would also rise if he becomes a dependable 3 Pt shooter. Pat's offense is based on having 5 kids spread the floor to shoot 3s from anywhere at any time, which also opens the floor to outstanding drives like Mackinjo.
Hey - kid is only a freshman and like many of you, I absolutely LOVE his energy, boards, D, and dunks. Doesn't mean he couldn't make his game even stronger over the next 4 years.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 16, 2018 12:30:57 GMT -5
LeBlanc has already demonstrated he will have a great Hoya career. However, if he wants a career beyond that (anywhere) his game would be a lot stronger with a dependable outside shot. His value to Coach Pat would also rise if he becomes a dependable 3 Pt shooter. Pat's offense is based on having 5 kids spread the floor to shoot 3s from anywhere at any time, which also opens the floor to outstanding drives like Mackinjo. Hey - kid is only a freshman and like many of you, I absolutely LOVE his energy, boards, D, and dunks. Doesn't mean he couldn't make his game even stronger over the next 4 years. I wouldn't worry about Josh's outside shot. Check his hs videos. He has it and it's accurate, but kind of flat. From the 3 games, I don't think there has been a chance for it or if he was in position to take a 3. It will be worked into the offense, but right now he needs to be in the paint.
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Post by centercourt400s on Nov 16, 2018 13:07:57 GMT -5
I'm very impressed by the fact that Josh looks like he's comfortable on the court in a high-major CBB game. An article on Casual compared him to Aaron Bowen primarily because of the physicality but I laughed when I read it because it took Bowen three seasons to get comfortable on the court whereas Josh is there after three games.
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