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Post by Admin on Sept 15, 2018 12:01:07 GMT -5
Updates here--catch the game on ESPN+.
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Post by Admin on Sept 15, 2018 12:39:13 GMT -5
1st quarter series:
Georgetown: Three and out, punt to D36. Johnson nearly threw INT's on both 1st and 3rd down. Dartmouth: 8 plays, 44 yards, 37 yd FG. D 3-0 9:48 1st Georgetown: Three and out, punt to D16. Dartmouth: 7 plays, 75 yards, 26 yd FG. D 6-0 4:37 1st Georgetown: Three and out, punt to D46. Dartmouth: Three and out, punt to G16.
End of 1, 6-0. Hoyas have 12 total yards.
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Post by Admin on Sept 15, 2018 13:12:33 GMT -5
2nd quarter series:
Georgetown: Three and out, punt to D23 Dartmouth: 5 plays, 77 yds, 31 yd TD pass. D 13-0 11:43 Georgetown: Six plays, punt to D17 Dartmouth: Six plays, punt to G28 Georgetown: Three and out, punt returned to G45 Dartmouth: Nine plays, 45 yds, 5 yd TD run D 20-0 0:22
Halftime, 20-0.
Dartmouth 260 total yards, Georgetown 46 passing, -4 rushing. First downs: Indians 11, Hoyas 1.
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Post by Admin on Sept 15, 2018 14:13:40 GMT -5
3rd quarter:
Dartmouth: 7 plays, 61 yards, 13 yd TD run. D 27-0 11:09 3rd Georgetown: Three and out, punt to D20. Dartmouth: Three plays, INT at D30. Georgetown: Three and out, FG blocked and returned to D30. Hoyas still have only one first down. Dartmouth: Three and out, punt to G27 Georgetown: 1 play, fumble at G27 Dartmouth: 7 plays, 27 yds, 3 yd TD run. D 33-0 1:05 3rd Georgetown: Kick return to midfield, 1 play, INT to D48 (+ 15 yds. G personal foul)
End of 3, 33-0.
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Post by Admin on Sept 15, 2018 14:49:26 GMT -5
4th quarter series:
Dartmouth: Two plays, 36 yards. 31 yd TD run. D 41-0, 14:52 4th Georgetown: Johnson benched for Linsey. Three plays, RB fumble at D34. Dartmouth: Holding penalty forces a three and out, punt to G15. Georgetown: Three plays, INT at G20. Dartmouth: Two plays, fumble at G2. Georgetown: Three and out, punt returned to G26. 7:42 4th Dartmouth: Three and out, missed FG (why?) Georgetown: Six plays, fails on 4th and 3 at the D36. Dartmouth: Four plays, game.
Final 41-0. Worst loss since Oct. 25, 2008 (Richmond, 48-0)
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 15, 2018 18:13:27 GMT -5
Div. II looks better every year.
Yeah, I know we can't.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 15, 2018 20:54:52 GMT -5
Maybe if football was allowed to recruit and admit players the same way every other sport at Georgetown can, this wouldn't be an issue.
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Post by reformation on Sept 15, 2018 21:42:57 GMT -5
A few sports at gtown can recruit whoever they want, most are pretty limited. Obviously the current situation does not work--I guess you meant to say we'd be competitive if we could recruit like our competitors -not sure. There has obviously been a fundamental change in the competitive landscape due to PL scholarships and ivy financial aid increases. Gtown as usual does nothing. Really not a lot of good options for Gtwn though.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 17, 2018 12:12:54 GMT -5
A few sports at gtown can recruit whoever they want, most are pretty limited. Obviously the current situation does not work--I guess you meant to say we'd be competitive if we could recruit like our competitors -not sure. There has obviously been a fundamental change in the competitive landscape due to PL scholarships and ivy financial aid increases. Gtown as usual does nothing. Really not a lot of good options for Gtwn though. No sport at Georgetown has to use SAT bands as does football, e.g., admitting two kids to Georgetown with a 1250 SAT is acceptable but three is against the rules, never mind that the same 1250 SAT may get ten football prospects into Fordham or eight into Holy Cross. Putting aside the inherent bias of the SAT as a test, admissions decisions should ultimately rest with a university, not a conference. www.mka.org/uploaded/college_counseling/Publications/AI_Guidelines_Worksheet.pdf
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Post by reformation on Sept 17, 2018 15:14:39 GMT -5
Some of the sports at Gtwn would be better off with the SAT bands than the current somewhat random system which places a lot of focus on comparison to athletes peers at respective high schools. . Ivies use an academic index including sat for their sports. Agree in the big picture is that admissions/recrtg process is not working for football-need to figure out something that does work.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Sept 17, 2018 17:41:49 GMT -5
The index is not nearly our biggest problem. Get rid of the index and admit kids in the same stratosphere as the other non-fully funded scholarship programs, while still maintaining the same facilities and no scholarships, and we're still right at the bottom of the PL.
We will never fund the number of scholarships required to be competitive with PL schools funding 60+ and we'll never have the financial aid resources to be competitive with most of the Ivies.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 17, 2018 21:33:49 GMT -5
We will never fund the number of scholarships required to be competitive with PL schools funding 60+ and we'll never have the financial aid resources to be competitive with most of the Ivies. What if, just as an example, if Georgetown only recruited full need prospects? Take out the index and the difference between 60 "grants" and 60 on aid isn't that much, isn't it?
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Post by Problem of Dog on Sept 23, 2018 18:12:36 GMT -5
We will never fund the number of scholarships required to be competitive with PL schools funding 60+ and we'll never have the financial aid resources to be competitive with most of the Ivies. What if, just as an example, if Georgetown only recruited full need prospects? Take out the index and the difference between 60 "grants" and 60 on aid isn't that much, isn't it? Not a great example. We would not be able to fill a full class, or even close to it, with full need students who would be admittable on the non-scholarship sports standard, D1 caliber football players, AND would choose us over other places where their full need would be met. Also, do you think the school would continue a football program if it meant 60 more students receiving money from the university on a yearly basis when we already are woefully inadequate on that front?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 23, 2018 18:26:36 GMT -5
We would not be able to fill a full class, or even close to it, with full need students who would be admittable on the non-scholarship sports standard, D1 caliber football players, AND would choose us over other places where their full need would be met. Also, do you think the school would continue a football program if it meant 60 more students receiving money from the university on a yearly basis when we already are woefully inadequate on that front? What is the "non-scholarship sports standard"? And are you implying that only recruits from high net worth families should be recruited?
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Post by Problem of Dog on Sept 23, 2018 18:40:34 GMT -5
We would not be able to fill a full class, or even close to it, with full need students who would be admittable on the non-scholarship sports standard, D1 caliber football players, AND would choose us over other places where their full need would be met. Also, do you think the school would continue a football program if it meant 60 more students receiving money from the university on a yearly basis when we already are woefully inadequate on that front? What is the "non-scholarship sports standard"? And are you implying that only recruits from high net worth families should be recruited? What a weird way to read that and then an even weirder way to put words in my mouth. I mean kids that would be admitted if they were also golfers or field hockey players or swimmers, since we're talking a non-scholarship program that the school clearly does not want to devote scholarship resources to.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 23, 2018 19:42:19 GMT -5
What a weird way to read that and then an even weirder way to put words in my mouth. I mean kids that would be admitted if they were also golfers or field hockey players or swimmers, since we're talking a non-scholarship program that the school clearly does not want to devote scholarship resources to. Not the intent. Point restated: If Georgetown does not want to devote dollars to scholarship football, then end the artificial barrier of Patriot League admissions which prevents admittable kids from attending, regardless of need.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Sept 23, 2018 21:39:22 GMT -5
What a weird way to read that and then an even weirder way to put words in my mouth. I mean kids that would be admitted if they were also golfers or field hockey players or swimmers, since we're talking a non-scholarship program that the school clearly does not want to devote scholarship resources to. Not the intent. Point restated: If Georgetown does not want to devote dollars to scholarship football, then end the artificial barrier of Patriot League admissions which prevents admittable kids from attending, regardless of need. "Admittable kids". I don't think that group (admittable, gets as much aid at Georgetown as they would get elsewhere OR willing to forgo a better offer elsewhere, AND a PL/Ivy caliber player) is much larger than who we're recruiting now.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 23, 2018 22:27:57 GMT -5
What is the "non-scholarship sports standard"? And are you implying that only recruits from high net worth families should be recruited? What a weird way to read that and then an even weirder way to put words in my mouth. I mean kids that would be admitted if they were also golfers or field hockey players or swimmers, since we're talking a non-scholarship program that the school clearly does not want to devote scholarship resources to. I will interject here... differing standards aren't really scholarship vs. non-scholarship, but rather sport-by-sport within the context of the academic program as a whole. The D-I caliber talent pool for golf, field hockey, and swimming has waaay more kids in it who are in or within striking distance of the Georgetown overall ('unaided' may be a better term? 'Untipped?') competitive range than do basketball, football, sprints, or lacrosse (especially men's). The allotment of...'leeway' each sport gets is directly tied to that sports landscape, as well as the size of the team. So while it's not the case that football would be subject to similar restrictions as golf or swimming, the Academic Index does serve as a double-edged sword at present. On the one hand, it does put Georgetown at a disadvantage relative to the rest of the Patriot League. On the other hand, it offers a ready-made justification when defending the academic allowances made for football to both internal and external audiences - we're playing by the same type of rule as the Ivies. And since at this point one of the main reasons we're still keeping football around is because the Ivies do, that argument is one the administration is very comfortable with. Last point: many football players are getting need-based financial aid as it is now, so it would not be a "0-to-60" type of situation, even disregarding the scholarship equivalencies money we dole out now.
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Post by eb59 on Sept 24, 2018 2:00:11 GMT -5
Does anyone happen to know what the "Minimum Acceptable Standards" are for the Football Recruits at Top Academic schools in FBS?
- Stanford, Notre Dame, Northwestern, Vandy, Rice, Duke, Etc
It seems to me that since we DON'T offer scholarships like the rest of the league, an argument should be made to the Patriot league that we are at a MASSIVE disadvantage and that we shouldn't have to adhere to the league AI policy. That is, as long as All Accepted Football Players meet some "Minimum Acceptable Standard" that is simple and clear - perhaps similar to the schools above - like 3.2 / 1250!
An argument also could be made that this makes it possible for what I consider to be obviously still very bright kids (3.2 / 1250) who perhaps come from disadvantaged areas more of an oppty to attend Gtown. Even better, Rice now provides free tuition for families making < $130k, I believe a lot of the Ivys do too. Gtown should get on board with this concept and it would allow us to recruit from a much bigger pool and effectively "scholarship" those kids that fall into a less economically fortune bracket.
Finally, it seems to me that the traditionally Extremely Liberal Minded Faculty should be open on the principle that it is providing oppty to a more diversified (race and socioeconomic) student body. At the end of the day a person with a 3.2 / 1250 is clearly a bright person and sports could be giving them an oppty they may otherwise never have to attend Gtown and I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of these kids would graduate with close or nearly identical results as the kids today admitted under the AI restrictions.
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Post by eb59 on Sept 24, 2018 10:15:09 GMT -5
BTW - Despite what our Faculty may think, I personally believe that Gtown is more closely comparable to some of the Smaller Top Notch Universities like Notre Dame, Northwestern, Vandy, Rice, Duke & Wake Forest vs The Ivy League! All of these schools baring Duke which is larger at like 17k Undergrad I think are in the 4k - 8k Undergraduate student size....just like Gtown. The Ivy League is the Ivy League, it has been in place for hundreds of years and they do what they do - not saying any better or worse than the schools above....but it is a Club that no matter how much people at Gtown may want to be included into - it will never happen! We need to recognize this, we compete for many of the same students with the Ivy as do the schools above - but at the end of the day We Are Not Ivy and Never Will Be Ivy! (See this as Good, Bad, Indifferent - who cares its just the truth). The only thing that makes us a bit closer to Ivy schools than those above is Gtown's location on the East Coast!
However, for some reason unlike these other schools that are not totally adverse to offering scholarships and assistance to a portion of the student body (Sports / Band / Theater, Etc) and provide to their students both opportunity from these skills in helping them to get into said elite school and aide them in the payment of their education. It is also very much in my opinion, helping to provide the larger student body and the alumni base a really fun and well rounded college experience filled with traditions and student cohesiveness - driven at times by Football, Etc.
SORRY - BUT AN AVERAGE D-1 BASKETBALL TEAM ON AN ANNUAL BASIS FOR THE PAST +20 YEARS DOES NOT CUT IT!
Whereas, Gtown seems constantly to be pleading Poverty and is for whatever reason Very Unwilling to offer aide to its student body...except at what seems to me to be the absolute minimum level possible. I mean would it absolutely kill the school to Offer 60 Football Scholarships and then in turn be able to increase the what I understand to usually be very / very small Partial Scholarships in most of the Women's Sports currently to an equivalent 60 Full Rides for these ladies....or if it meets Title 9 - give 60 to the Ladies in the Band and maybe build the thing from the somewhat comical "scramble band" that it is into a REAL BAND - like all of the very similar schools to Gtown referenced above already have?
I just can't imagine that 120 Total Full Scholarships to Women and likely a higher number of Minorities than standard in the student body is bad and/or something that this Substantial / Wanting to be Globally Recognized and Respected University can't afford.....
The schools listed above are able to do it and some are even thriving! Maybe if we had bigger football, we would also have significantly Bigger and More Annual Donations from the Alumni Base - which is the case for most if not all of the schools above and is not the case as I understand it for Gtown! These scholarships COULD ultimately drive a substantial increase in the schools Coffers - but that would likely require a move to FBS at some point further down the road to be totally honest.
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