Filo
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Post by Filo on Sept 2, 2018 10:16:16 GMT -5
Senator McCain was a dignified, graceful man. Sadly, his memorial was neither. Senator McCain's memorial appears to have been exactly what Senator McCain intended it to be.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Sept 2, 2018 10:26:26 GMT -5
Senator McCain was a dignified, graceful man. Sadly, his memorial was neither. Senator McCain's memorial appears to have been exactly what Senator McCain intended it to be. Then he was lesser in death than he was in life and that is unfortunate.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 11:06:56 GMT -5
Senator McCain's memorial appears to have been exactly what Senator McCain intended it to be. Then he was lesser in death than he was in life and that is unfortunate. Still 100x more of a man than the people criticizing him currently. It's unfortunate no Republican of any significance chose to stand up for McCain as the leader of their party mocked and tormented a dying man and his family for the last year. It's a shame that people had to stick up for this man, his morals, values, and all he stood for in his many years of service to this country because No Republican of any significance had the balls or integrity to... Instead you guys want to cry about how he chose to deliver his final message to a country he had given his life to because it was IMPLICITLY critical of a man who has sacrificed nothing...
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Sept 2, 2018 11:19:06 GMT -5
Blah blah blah. As you love to point out ad nauseam, the answer to one’s bad behavior is not to point out the misdeeds of others.
The speeches yesterday were coarse. That is only my opinion. If they reflected what the Senator wanted, then he is less the statesman in death than he was in life.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 11:29:05 GMT -5
Blah blah blah. As you love to point out ad nauseam, the answer to one’s bad behavior is not to point out the misdeeds of others. The speeches yesterday were coarse. That is only my opinion. If they reflected what the Senator wanted, then he is less the statesman in death than he was in life. Ehhh, not really, but ok... TFW you think people praising McCain's values and how they contrast with our current status is the same as mocking a dying man and claiming he wasn't a war hero... You said nothing then, but It's amazing how you always find your voice when it's time to defend poor Trump.. I shouldn't have to say this, but It's not bad behavior to point out who McCain was, and what he stood for. It's not bad behavior to speak on his behalf, according to his wishes. It's bad behavior to mock a dying man and his family, and question his military service. That's not remotely close to the same thing. Can you link us to the quotes you found so upsetting?
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Sept 2, 2018 11:50:25 GMT -5
As always Ibrespect and acknowledge your opinion though I do not concur.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 12:18:21 GMT -5
It says a lot that Republicans are upset over messages like this.. This is who McCain was, and who the GOP used to claim to be...
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TC
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Post by TC on Sept 2, 2018 15:07:45 GMT -5
As always Ibrespect and acknowledge your opinion though I do not concur. Guy who pretends not to have voted for Trump decries John McCain's funeral, can't point to any specific quote or speech that was "coarse" but they just were.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Sept 2, 2018 15:49:46 GMT -5
I didn't catch the whole service but I didn't hear Trump mentioned by name.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 9:32:45 GMT -5
I didn't catch the whole service but I didn't hear Trump mentioned by name. Saw some kids reading the 2nd amendment out loud and in public, in an obvious rebuke to Trump. I'm not going to try and argue some of the lines weren't directly targeting Trump, but a lot of what they are upset about is people talking about honor, decency, character, bipartisanship, and placing country over party. The fact those are seen as attacks on the President says a lot...
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 3, 2018 9:40:48 GMT -5
I didn't catch the whole service but I didn't hear Trump mentioned by name. I did. He wasn't.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Sept 3, 2018 22:19:28 GMT -5
If Senator McCain had been a prisoner of war for a week and he explicitly chose to call out the President for decimating his party and denigrating his service, I'd have been fine with it. As it stands, it's preposterous that Republicans, who've largely abandoned all that Senator McCain stood for in favor of bettering their chances of re-election, are griping about true statements about the moral turpitude and lack of fitness of the President made by those that loved the Senator. If a life of service, conviction of one's beliefs and working for the betterment of one's constituency stand in opposition to qualities of the sitting president, the problem isn't the statements highlighting the stark contrast. It's the President.
I believe it was Elvado that described Senator McCain as graceful. I've never heard that description of him. Maybe Vadi is correct. I thought of him more as the military man he was and, along those same lines, would tell you to go in your hat if he felt it necessary. I admire people like that. It's one of the things I admired about Senator McCain.
Regardless of the faux outrage, may he rest in peace and may his family and loved ones find some as well.
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