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Post by tashoya on Jul 23, 2023 18:00:11 GMT -5
Thank goodness we're living in such a near utopia that "Republicans" have the time to spend on such frivolities.
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Post by hoyajinx on Jul 23, 2023 19:04:04 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 23, 2023 19:25:24 GMT -5
The statistics and political implications you cite will be lost on the ignorant, racist and xenophobic MAGA GOP base, not just in Texas but all over the country. All the ignorant base knows is that it is an "invasion" at the border and so they will support such cruel and inhumane ineffective performative political stunts. But am I right in assuming that you do not support Abbott's political stunt only because of its ineffectiveness? Or do you believe that as a humanitarian and moral issue, Abbott is correct? It's entirely unnecessary and a cheap political stunt that plays to Abbott's visible efforts to fend off other conservative challengers. His combatants are not Democrats but other Republicans funded with Trump dark money, and now that the legislature is adjourned until January 2025, there's not much for him to do. That said, as long as the Democrats put up ineffectual candidates for governor (Beto O'Rourke, Lupe Valdez, Wendy Davis, et al.) he doesn't have much worry other than within the base. There have been only three governors in Texas since 1995 and Abbott is almost assured of running in 2026. Of the three, people in DC and points left would be hard pressed to believe that George W Bush was easily the most popular of the three. In 1998, he ran on a bipartisanship campaign theme and was reelected with 68 percent of the vote statewide (Abbott won with 54 percent). Bush won 27% of the black vote and led among Hispanics 51-31. He even carried the very Democratic stronghold of Austin by 20 points, 60-40. By the time Bush got to DC, 9/11 (and Dick Cheney) changed all that.
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Post by tashoya on Jul 23, 2023 22:24:58 GMT -5
The statistics and political implications you cite will be lost on the ignorant, racist and xenophobic MAGA GOP base, not just in Texas but all over the country. All the ignorant base knows is that it is an "invasion" at the border and so they will support such cruel and inhumane ineffective performative political stunts. But am I right in assuming that you do not support Abbott's political stunt only because of its ineffectiveness? Or do you believe that as a humanitarian and moral issue, Abbott is correct? It's entirely unnecessary and a cheap political stunt that plays to Abbott's visible efforts to fend off other conservative challengers. His combatants are not Democrats but other Republicans funded with Trump dark money, and now that the legislature is adjourned until January 2025, there's not much for him to do. That said, as long as the Democrats put up ineffectual candidates for governor (Beto O'Rourke, Lupe Valdez, Wendy Davis, et al.) he doesn't have much worry other than within the base. There have been only three governors in Texas since 1995 and Abbott is almost assured of running in 2026. Of the three, people in DC and points left would be hard pressed to believe that George W Bush was easily the most popular of the three. In 1998, he ran on a bipartisanship campaign theme and was reelected with 68 percent of the vote statewide (Abbott won with 54 percent). Bush won 27% of the black vote and led among Hispanics 51-31. He even carried the very Democratic stronghold of Austin by 20 points, 60-40. By the time Bush got to DC, 9/11 (and Dick Cheney) changed all that. People in 2023 would also be hard-pressed to believe that the reasons that Texas votes "Republican" is because the Dems put up "ineffectual candidates" unless you're playing REALLY fast and loose with the definition of, "ineffectual."
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 24, 2023 5:36:53 GMT -5
The statistics and political implications you cite will be lost on the ignorant, racist and xenophobic MAGA GOP base, not just in Texas but all over the country. All the ignorant base knows is that it is an "invasion" at the border and so they will support such cruel and inhumane ineffective performative political stunts. But am I right in assuming that you do not support Abbott's political stunt only because of its ineffectiveness? Or do you believe that as a humanitarian and moral issue, Abbott is correct? It's entirely unnecessary and a cheap political stunt that plays to Abbott's visible efforts to fend off other conservative challengers. His combatants are not Democrats but other Republicans funded with Trump dark money, and now that the legislature is adjourned until January 2025, there's not much for him to do. That said, as long as the Democrats put up ineffectual candidates for governor (Beto O'Rourke, Lupe Valdez, Wendy Davis, et al.) he doesn't have much worry other than within the base. There have been only three governors in Texas since 1995 and Abbott is almost assured of running in 2026. Of the three, people in DC and points left would be hard pressed to believe that George W Bush was easily the most popular of the three. In 1998, he ran on a bipartisanship campaign theme and was reelected with 68 percent of the vote statewide (Abbott won with 54 percent). Bush won 27% of the black vote and led among Hispanics 51-31. He even carried the very Democratic stronghold of Austin by 20 points, 60-40. By the time Bush got to DC, 9/11 (and Dick Cheney) changed all that. "Entirely unnecessary and a cheap political stunt" . . . Words you don't see in your response: cruel, inhumane and immoral. Great with the stats and politics so it's the Democrats's fault for running bad candidates? Weak tea as if you're only discussing a Bridgegate episode in New Jersey and even that potentially put lives at risk by delaying emergency responses. A Spock-like response. Or a Dukakis "wife murdered" death penalty debate response. This question remains unanswered: "But am I right in assuming that you do not support Abbott's political stunt only because of its ineffectiveness?" Inferentially, the answer seems to be "yes." "Above all I ask leaders and legislators and the entire international community above all to confront the reality of those who have been displaced by force, with effective projects and new approaches in order to protect their dignity, to improve the quality of their life and to face the challenges that are emerging from modern forms of persecution, oppression and slavery." -- Pope Francis “A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges is not Christian,” Pope Francis said. “This is not in the Gospel.” -- comment on Mango's border wall.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 24, 2023 6:34:19 GMT -5
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Post by hoyajinx on Jul 24, 2023 6:49:38 GMT -5
Ah yes. He’s just paraphrasing Matthew 23:18: “And the Lord said unto his disciples, ‘snitches get stitches.’” It’s not surprising he only has two virtues, neither of which is kindness, compassion, empathy, honesty, integrity, etc. Completely checks out.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 24, 2023 8:15:09 GMT -5
"Entirely unnecessary and a cheap political stunt" . . . Words you don't see in your response: cruel, inhumane and immoral. Great with the stats and politics so it's the Democrats's fault for running bad candidates? Weak tea as if you're only discussing a Bridgegate episode in New Jersey and even that potentially put lives at risk by delaying emergency responses. A Spock-like response. Or a Dukakis "wife murdered" death penalty debate response. We've never met, but you have a habit of leading the witness. You don't know me or my views, whether on CBP, migrant rights or Catholic social teaching, and this conversation won't go very far if you continue to make assumptions to the contrary. Otherwise, it's almost time for college football. Perhaps you could offer some encouragement to the Hoyas over at that board, because it's going to be another long season.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 24, 2023 8:36:55 GMT -5
"Entirely unnecessary and a cheap political stunt" . . . Words you don't see in your response: cruel, inhumane and immoral. Great with the stats and politics so it's the Democrats's fault for running bad candidates? Weak tea as if you're only discussing a Bridgegate episode in New Jersey and even that potentially put lives at risk by delaying emergency responses. A Spock-like response. Or a Dukakis "wife murdered" death penalty debate response. We've never met, but you have a habit of leading the witness. You don't know me or my views, whether on CBP, migrant rights or Catholic social teaching, and this conversation won't go very far if you continue to make assumptions to the contrary. Otherwise, it's almost time for college football. Perhaps you could offer some encouragement to the Hoyas over at that board, because it's going to be another long season. So I'll assume you agree that Abbott's actions are cruel and inhumane. I'll leave it at that. I just don't understand the inability of some to simply agree to the obvious proposition of what "Republicans" and some of their public policies are all about. It is not that difficult.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 24, 2023 11:22:56 GMT -5
The cult that wouldn't die, enabled by the complicity of normal "Republicans" if such creatures exist anymore. Just keep sticking your collective heads in the sand. A Republican nightmare seems about to become real For years now, some Republicans — and, to a large extent, the mainstream media — have harbored the notion that the GOP eventually would come to its senses. Surely, it would eventually dump the unhinged, disloyal, undemocratic and unfit Donald Trump, right? But if Republicans did not wake from their slumber after the first impeachment or the second, after a jury decided he had lied about sexually assaulting E. Jean Carroll, after an indictment accusing him of obstruction and violating the Espionage Act (set out in shocking detail), and after replete evidence of his alleged role in an attempted coup, it is hard to imagine what would bring them to their senses. There is scant evidence that Trump would flee the race to focus on his legal defense; to the contrary, the worse his legal position, the more desperate he becomes to regain power. Elected Republicans and right-wing media figures have contributed to the predicament as they have minimized, rationalized and denied jaw-dropping allegations against Trump. They have made it easy for Republicans to cling to Trump. Listen, stealing and bandying about top-secret documents isn’t so bad, is it? And, after all, he didn’t do all that much on Jan. 6, 2021, did he? www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/25/trump-nomination-gop-doomed/
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 24, 2023 16:48:12 GMT -5
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Post by hoyarooter on Jul 24, 2023 17:43:51 GMT -5
The Hispnic population surpassed the white population in Texas in 2023, with 40.2% of the state population. But unlike other states where Hispanic growth is solely by immigration, Texas Hispanics could be newcomers, or sixth generation Texans. As such, there's not always a specific voting bloc, which politicians take advantage of. The statistics and political implications you cite will be lost on the ignorant, racist and xenophobic MAGA GOP base, not just in Texas but all over the country. All the ignorant base knows is that it is an "invasion" at the border and so they will support such cruel and inhumane ineffective performative political stunts. But am I right in assuming that you do not support Abbott's political stunt only because of its ineffectiveness? Or do you believe that as a humanitarian and moral issue, Abbott is correct? Afterall, among the MAGA GOP cult, the cruelty is the point. Accordingly, this is the absolutely correct performative politcal move, as Abbott races to bottom against DeSantis, right? Tax dollars well spent for his performative politics if not effectiveness? Governor Abbott is a shrewd operator. He has combined media savvy and audacious use of government funds and powers to secure billions of dollars and heaps of political capital for his notion of a military-style crackdown at the border. He has charged ahead with little resistance, even though governors and presidents have spent decades taking this iron-fisted approach with little empirical success to show for it. In mid-July, state contractors were nearly complete installing the floating border barrier, a $1m, 1,000-foot pearl string of giant orange buoys with strong netting in between, anchored to the river floor. According to leaks from the Texas Department of Public Safety, which oversees the state’s border scheme, this policy includes intentionally putting migrants into harm’s way. In a series of emails shared with news outlets including The Independent, a border medic described questioning orders from superiors to push exhausted migrants back into the river and to refrain from giving them water if captured. “We were given orders to push the people back into the water to go to Mexico. We decided that this was not the correct thing to do. With the very real potential of exhausted people drowning,” the trooper wrote. The DPS source also claimed in the span of one week in late June, a teen mother was trapped in razor wire at the border while having a miscarriage, a 15-year-old broke his leg as he tried to find a way around the deterrence buoys, and a man lacerated his leg while trying to rescue his child from razor wire placed on a buoy. Texas officials have defended the use of the razor wire while denying reports troopers were told to push people into the river. www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/greg-abbott-rio-grande-buoys-migrants-b2379629.htmlMost people with an ounce of compassion wouldn't treat a dog this way, but I guess this is ok.
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Post by tashoya on Jul 24, 2023 21:57:15 GMT -5
The statistics and political implications you cite will be lost on the ignorant, racist and xenophobic MAGA GOP base, not just in Texas but all over the country. All the ignorant base knows is that it is an "invasion" at the border and so they will support such cruel and inhumane ineffective performative political stunts. But am I right in assuming that you do not support Abbott's political stunt only because of its ineffectiveness? Or do you believe that as a humanitarian and moral issue, Abbott is correct? Afterall, among the MAGA GOP cult, the cruelty is the point. Accordingly, this is the absolutely correct performative politcal move, as Abbott races to bottom against DeSantis, right? Tax dollars well spent for his performative politics if not effectiveness? Governor Abbott is a shrewd operator. He has combined media savvy and audacious use of government funds and powers to secure billions of dollars and heaps of political capital for his notion of a military-style crackdown at the border. He has charged ahead with little resistance, even though governors and presidents have spent decades taking this iron-fisted approach with little empirical success to show for it. In mid-July, state contractors were nearly complete installing the floating border barrier, a $1m, 1,000-foot pearl string of giant orange buoys with strong netting in between, anchored to the river floor. According to leaks from the Texas Department of Public Safety, which oversees the state’s border scheme, this policy includes intentionally putting migrants into harm’s way. In a series of emails shared with news outlets including The Independent, a border medic described questioning orders from superiors to push exhausted migrants back into the river and to refrain from giving them water if captured. “We were given orders to push the people back into the water to go to Mexico. We decided that this was not the correct thing to do. With the very real potential of exhausted people drowning,” the trooper wrote. The DPS source also claimed in the span of one week in late June, a teen mother was trapped in razor wire at the border while having a miscarriage, a 15-year-old broke his leg as he tried to find a way around the deterrence buoys, and a man lacerated his leg while trying to rescue his child from razor wire placed on a buoy. Texas officials have defended the use of the razor wire while denying reports troopers were told to push people into the river. www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/greg-abbott-rio-grande-buoys-migrants-b2379629.htmlMost people with an ounce of compassion wouldn't treat a dog this way, but I guess this is ok. NOW can we admit that there's only one political party left in America? Even the intelligent "Republicans" can't give a straight answer or justification for what they support at the ballot box. It's been a wrap for quite a while now. The first step to sobriety is admitting that there's a problem.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 25, 2023 5:02:04 GMT -5
Bribery in plain sight?? Yee Haw! Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, who is presiding over the impeachment trial of suspended Attorney General Ken Paxton, received $3 million in campaign support last month from a top group campaigning against Paxton’s impeachment. In a campaign-finance report published Tuesday, Patrick — who is not up for reelection until 2026 — reported a $1 million contribution and a $2 million loan from Defend Texas Liberty PAC. The political action committee was by far his biggest benefactor on the report, which covered Patrick’s fundraising from June 19-30. It was the first opportunity state officials had to fundraise since the House impeached Paxton in late May. www.texastribune.org/2023/07/18/ken-paxton-impeachment-dan-patrick/
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 25, 2023 11:08:43 GMT -5
Good to see those willing to do master's bidding...
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Post by hoyajinx on Jul 25, 2023 12:14:19 GMT -5
I’m all for going ahead and trying to impeach Biden for nothing. It ends in one of two ways as far I can tell: 1) Biden gets impeached by the slim majority, including reps from districts that went for Biden. People in those districts recognize that the whole Republican Party is now a clown show and switch to Democratic reps. 2) The vote fails because the aforementioned reps don’t vote for it, making McCarthy look like the moron he is, and deepening the division in the party. I don’t see how this ends well for Republicans. Anything that is bad for Republicans is good for the country.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 26, 2023 14:45:07 GMT -5
Can't wait for the MAGA GOP cult's view of McConnell's health since they hate him as an "establishment" Republican. Mitch McConnell freezes mid-sentence, escorted away at press conference Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) on Wednesday abruptly left a news conference after he froze midway through his opening remarks and appeared to be unable to resume speaking immediately. McConnell began the GOP’s leadership weekly news conference by saying lawmakers were on a path to finishing a major defense budget bill this week. “We’ve had good bipartisan cooperation and a string of —” McConnell said. He then froze and remained silent for about 20 seconds, staring straight ahead, before other members of GOP leadership intervened. Sens. John Barrasso (R-Wyo.) and Joni Ernst (R-Iowa), standing at McConnell’s side, asked if he was okay but McConnell did not respond verbally. “Do you want to say anything else to the press?” Barrasso asked McConnell, before suggesting that McConnell take a break. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/26/mitch-mcconnell-freezes-press-conference/
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Post by hoyarooter on Jul 26, 2023 19:59:46 GMT -5
Not a doctor, but from hanging around a neurologist, it could be that he had a TIA (i.e., a mini-stroke to we laypeople). Dan?
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 26, 2023 20:21:18 GMT -5
That's what it looked like to me. That or an absence seizure (I threw that one in there for your wife). But I'm not once of those fancy TV doctors commenting on somebody else's illness.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 26, 2023 20:28:06 GMT -5
President Biden called Sen McConnell to ask how he was doing, which is what decent people do, especially those who worked together in the Senate.
Unfortunately, we're also accustomed to awaiting the mean-spirited message from the past president in the next few days.
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