Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jun 25, 2020 7:32:43 GMT -5
There is a good chance he doesn’t end up at Georgetown....just brace yourselves. Our recruiting and player retention is broken.
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madgesiq92
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jun 25, 2020 8:00:53 GMT -5
There is a good chance he doesn’t end up at Georgetown....just brace yourselves. If he doesn't end up at Georgetown, I will cease contributing to the basketball program after 28 years of donations and donate to other areas of the University.
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 25, 2020 8:22:31 GMT -5
Zero chance he becomes a Hoya. (Reverse jinx now in effect).
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Post by njhoyalawya on Jun 25, 2020 8:50:00 GMT -5
There is a good chance he doesn’t end up at Georgetown....just brace yourselves. Our recruiting and player retention is broken. Honestly, in listening to Ryan, he very much is his own man -- and an impressive one just like his father. As it relates to Ryan, it may not be about a broken system but about what path Ryan wants to pave for himself. If you recall, years ago there was a video of Ryan and his father where Ryan said he wanted to go to NC and his father said Georgetown. It does seem like he had a good visit. Perhaps, after going through the process, he decides to attend Georgetown in the end. Time will tell. But, it is nice to see him doing so well -- both on and off the court. The apple did not fall far from the tree.
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bostonfan
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Post by bostonfan on Jun 25, 2020 9:57:22 GMT -5
Our recruiting and player retention is broken. Honestly, in listening to Ryan, he very much is his own man -- and an impressive one just like his father. As it relates to Ryan, it may not be about a broken system but about what path Ryan wants to pave for himself. If you recall, years ago there was a video of Ryan and his father where Ryan said he wanted to go to NC and his father said Georgetown. It does seem like he had a good visit. Perhaps, after going through the process, he decides to attend Georgetown in the end. Time will tell. But, it is nice to see him doing so well -- both on and off the court. The apple did not fall far from the tree. I have not insights about Ryan at all, but from what I have read and seen on things he has posted it seems like he wants to enjoy the recruiting process and see what possibilities are out there for him. He does not want to just blindly choose Georgetown just because his father went there. It also sounds like he wants to make sure the Hoya staff shows him the love that a legit four star recruit deserves and that no one takes his college choice for granted. All understandable. I think the staff has shown him they really want him and did a good job on his visit, which it sounded like he really enjoyed. If he does not attend Georgetown I would think it is more a function of him 1) being concerned about the "culture" within the team that has caused so many recent defections/transfers and 2) the struggles the team has had in the win/loss column. Every major D1 recruit wants to go to a program where there is a positive culture that surrounds the team and where they feel they have a real chance of making the tournament every year. This is a big year for the program and if they can show things are going in the right direction and that they have found the right mix of players, I think Ryan may still end up being a Hoya. Fingers crossed!!!
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 25, 2020 10:34:47 GMT -5
The fact is Mutombo is a talented kid, and he's going to want to win when he's in college. Right now, Georgetown doesn't offer that.
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justsaying
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Post by justsaying on Jun 25, 2020 11:26:26 GMT -5
Players that think that they are really good always feel that they bring winning with them more than anything else.
Know the mind of the great ones.
What makes a player great is meeting the challenge laid before them amongst their other traits.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Jun 25, 2020 17:36:07 GMT -5
Wow. I come on here and Tyler Beard is taking a PG year and B&G is saying that I should be prepared for R. Mutombo to go elsewhere. Given the state of the program (multiple transfers, non-winning), these things are terrible optics. If someone handed us a million dollars right now, I'd assume that it was contaminated with coronavirus. Truly depressing.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 25, 2020 17:54:48 GMT -5
Our recruiting and player retention is broken. Honestly, in listening to Ryan, he very much is his own man -- and an impressive one just like his father. As it relates to Ryan, it may not be about a broken system but about what path Ryan wants to pave for himself. If you recall, years ago there was a video of Ryan and his father where Ryan said he wanted to go to NC and his father said Georgetown. It does seem like he had a good visit. Perhaps, after going through the process, he decides to attend Georgetown in the end. Time will tell. But, it is nice to see him doing so well -- both on and off the court. The apple did not fall far from the tree. Agreed. I’d recommend listening to the first episode of Dawg Talk with Pat Jr to those who haven’t. You simply can’t find better insight into what the young man is potentially thinking. To add to that, maybe Ewing just needs to tell the kid maybe he’s not built for pressure situations. That he’s not built to bring GU back 🤷🏽♂️
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 25, 2020 17:55:51 GMT -5
Players that think that they are really good always feel that they bring winning with them more than anything else. Know the mind of the great ones. What makes a player great is meeting the challenge laid before them amongst their other traits. Not always. Some, like Pat Jr, want to play with other talent. Some don’t want to be a one man show even though they know they can be. Some actually know what it takes to win and they’re not thinking in terms of their individual greatness and what they offer individually. It’s a team game through and through.
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on Jun 25, 2020 18:04:29 GMT -5
Maybe in an ironic way, Coronavirus helps us here. Can’t visit any other schools. Most familiar with our campus. Family knows Ewing. Etc.
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s4hoyas
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Post by s4hoyas on Jun 25, 2020 18:30:10 GMT -5
Frankly, I'd like to know the origin of B&G's shocking, to me, comments, especially the "brace yourself" narrative...this sounds very authoritative and imminent to me...as if he's gotten some word from the staff that Ryan isn't coming to G'town...I guess that's possible but would still be shocking to me at this stage...of course there's always the possibilty that he may go elsewhere, but most people have felt that G'town is the strong leader so unless something dramatic has occurred, I'd like to get some more clarification on his text due to its alarming and somewhat out of nowhere text...
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 25, 2020 18:33:35 GMT -5
Frankly, I'd like to know the origin of B&G's shocking, to me, comments, especially the "brace yourself" narrative...this sounds very authoritative and imminent to me...as if he's gotten some word from the staff that Ryan isn't coming to G'town...I guess that's possible but would still be shocking to me at this stage...of course there's always the possibilty that he may go elsewhere, but most people have felt that G'town is the strong leader so unless something dramatic has occurred, I'd like to get some more clarification on his text due to its alarming and somewhat out of nowhere text... To me, it might just have more to do with the fact that this board is horrible at managing expectations. And quite frankly where do you get the impression that GU is seen as a leader, let alone a strong one? Tbh I’m not sure GU has been in the lead in a few years now. If anything, we only recently have made up some ground since he used specific comments to open up his recruiting. My impression is that we’ve had work to do since those comments, he wasn’t saying it just to say it. Kids want to win.
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vv83
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Post by vv83 on Jun 25, 2020 18:34:34 GMT -5
There is no piece of negative news about our program that is even remotely surprising to me anymore! As Elvado noted in another thread - it has become a PTSD situation. Have zero expectations, so you can't be disappointed yet again. Not a fun way to root for your team, but it's the only way I can keep from giving up entirely.
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mdtd
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Post by mdtd on Jun 25, 2020 19:14:38 GMT -5
Frankly, I'd like to know the origin of B&G's shocking, to me, comments, especially the "brace yourself" narrative...this sounds very authoritative and imminent to me...as if he's gotten some word from the staff that Ryan isn't coming to G'town...I guess that's possible but would still be shocking to me at this stage...of course there's always the possibilty that he may go elsewhere, but most people have felt that G'town is the strong leader so unless something dramatic has occurred, I'd like to get some more clarification on his text due to its alarming and somewhat out of nowhere text... To me, it might just have more to do with the fact that this board is horrible at managing expectations. And quite frankly where do you get the impression that GU is seen as a leader, let alone a strong one? Tbh I’m not sure GU has been in the lead in a few years now. If anything, we only recently have made up some ground since he used specific comments to open up his recruiting. My impression is that we’ve had work to do since those comments, he wasn’t saying it just to say it. Kids want to win. Well... considering that the Hoyas have the only crystal ball predictions for Ryan, were the only school to get an official visit from Ryan, and other coaches, like Leonard Hamilton, were "worried I’m just going to end up at Georgetown" I'd say it's pretty safe to say that if Mutombo was to go elsewhere, it would be viewed as a loss for Georgetown. So yes, the Hoyas should be in the lead here. Georgia Tech and Florida State are legit competitors, and Mutombo should take the time to make sure he makes the right decision, but this battle favors the Hoyas.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 25, 2020 21:49:02 GMT -5
To me, it might just have more to do with the fact that this board is horrible at managing expectations. And quite frankly where do you get the impression that GU is seen as a leader, let alone a strong one? Tbh I’m not sure GU has been in the lead in a few years now. If anything, we only recently have made up some ground since he used specific comments to open up his recruiting. My impression is that we’ve had work to do since those comments, he wasn’t saying it just to say it. Kids want to win. Well... considering that the Hoyas have the only crystal ball predictions for Ryan, were the only school to get an official visit from Ryan, and other coaches, like Leonard Hamilton, were "worried I’m just going to end up at Georgetown" I'd say it's pretty safe to say that if Mutombo was to go elsewhere, it would be viewed as a loss for Georgetown. So yes, the Hoyas should be in the lead here. Georgia Tech and Florida State are legit competitors, and Mutombo should take the time to make sure he makes the right decision, but this battle favors the Hoyas. None of that is really concrete though. All built on an assumption that Mutombo was a one man school, which he made a point of vehemently denying. A crystal ball is nothing, particularly this far out. He took a visit because he’s family. If his name wasn’t Mutombo people wouldn’t be reaching so far. Even if it were “viewed as a loss”, it doesn’t mean that we were in the lead, and certainly not necessarily by a good margin. Take a listen to the Daw Talk Episode 1 podcast. It’ll give you some insight into how complex some of these decisions are and why it’s hard to infer and read too far into a situation without sufficient evidence. Either way, I guess we can just agree to see it differently.
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Post by hoyavafan1 on Jun 25, 2020 23:22:30 GMT -5
Frankly, I'd like to know the origin of B&G's shocking, to me, comments, especially the "brace yourself" narrative...this sounds very authoritative and imminent to me...as if he's gotten some word from the staff that Ryan isn't coming to G'town...I guess that's possible but would still be shocking to me at this stage...of course there's always the possibilty that he may go elsewhere, but most people have felt that G'town is the strong leader so unless something dramatic has occurred, I'd like to get some more clarification on his text due to its alarming and somewhat out of nowhere text... To me, it might just have more to do with the fact that this board is horrible at managing expectations. And quite frankly where do you get the impression that GU is seen as a leader, let alone a strong one? Tbh I’m not sure GU has been in the lead in a few years now. If anything, we only recently have made up some ground since he used specific comments to open up his recruiting. My impression is that we’ve had work to do since those comments, he wasn’t saying it just to say it. Kids want to win. I’m not sure if anyone is disputing that we have a lot work to do in the recruitment of Ryan. Like S4 I would also like to get more information into why he feels it’s imminent that Ryan will be committing to a school other than GU.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 26, 2020 3:53:14 GMT -5
To me, it might just have more to do with the fact that this board is horrible at managing expectations. And quite frankly where do you get the impression that GU is seen as a leader, let alone a strong one? Tbh I’m not sure GU has been in the lead in a few years now. If anything, we only recently have made up some ground since he used specific comments to open up his recruiting. My impression is that we’ve had work to do since those comments, he wasn’t saying it just to say it. Kids want to win. I’m not sure if anyone is disputing that we have a lot work to do in the recruitment of Ryan. Like S4 I would also like to get more information into why he feels it’s imminent that Ryan will be committing to a school other than GU. Umm that’s actually precisely what’s happening. Whoever I responded to claimed that we were in the lead by a good margin so the comments must be telling and that it was a shocking development....again, I’m of the mind B&G was just Trying to manage this boards expectations, rather than Ryan being ready to commit to another school like that train of thought leads to. Honestly not sure why I’m responding, no offense, since you didn’t read the previous post properly. B&G never declared that what he/she meant was that Ryan is imminently prepared to Commit to another school....that was just speculation created by nervous posters. Anywho, we weren’t in the lead before and doesn’t sound like we are now 🤷🏽♂️
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Jun 26, 2020 8:34:51 GMT -5
Players that think that they are really good always feel that they bring winning with them more than anything else. Know the mind of the great ones. What makes a player great is meeting the challenge laid before them amongst their other traits. Thank you JS. Ryan has visited with the coaches and players and he will know 1st hand if we had a few bad apples or a rotten tree. If it's the latter in his opinion he will think he can change the winning part. If it's the former he will go elsewhere. Time will tell....
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Jun 26, 2020 8:45:22 GMT -5
Players that think that they are really good always feel that they bring winning with them more than anything else. Know the mind of the great ones. What makes a player great is meeting the challenge laid before them amongst their other traits. Not always. Some, like Pat Jr, want to play with other talent. Some don’t want to be a one man show even though they know they can be. Some actually know what it takes to win and they’re not thinking in terms of their individual greatness and what they offer individually. It’s a team game through and through. Rock if Ryan came to GTown as of now he wouldn't be a 1 man show or even the best player at his position. Q, Sib and Tyler(🙏🏽) form a solid nucleus. If Dante and Kobe are as good I think then Ryan would also see potential in a really solid starting 5. And that's without Frankie...
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