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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 10:45:50 GMT -5
Expected high in Tornillo today, home of the Trump Administrations tent city for kids.... 106 degrees.
Hope this makes you big tough Republicans feel safer...
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 20, 2018 10:53:25 GMT -5
No Kamala Harris still got schooled that day Again with this nonsense? Seems to me the majority of folks are residing in Kamaland as opposed to siding with the person who can't provide a decent answer on where some of the kids who her dept has taken charge of due to this policy change are being kept... Bottom line is that the great majority of the kids of US citizens who are charged with misdemeanor crimes aren't removed from their parent's care, so your 1st sentence in this thread doesn't ring true..
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 20, 2018 10:57:52 GMT -5
No Kamala Harris still got schooled that day Again with this nonsense? Seems to me the majority of folks are residing in Kamaland than the folks siding with the person who can't provide a decent answer on where some of the kids her dept has taken charge of due to this policy change are being kept... Bottom line is the great majority kids of US citizens who are charged with misdemeanor crimes aren't removed from their parent's care so your 1st sentence in this thread doesn't ring true.. American kids who are removed from their parents are done so only after due process and a legal procedure. And, for the most part, they are not institutionalized or put in tent cities in the desert or on military bases. Only the Trumpean fake tough guys support this -- minor children and kids, easy targets. I had linked this in a previous post but here is the pertinent paragraph: Generally, in a law enforcement context, families are separated when an adult is arrested or convicted of a crime, if the penalties involve jail time. (With the revocation of Paul Manafort’s bond on Friday, the country has also re-familiarized itself this week with pre-trial detention.) But in these circumstances, due process has been provided: a complaint has been filed, a grand jury has indicted, or a judge has issued a warrant or heard evidence supporting the argument for detention. Moreover, when a parent is arrested for a crime, the government does not place the child in a government facility or in foster care unless the child has no other parent or family member, or is in danger, or removal is otherwise deemed to be in the child's best interests. The key determining factor is that the treatment should be in the best interests of the child. Greater attention should be given to whether there are even any legitimate constitutional grounds for removing a child from a parent—for days to weeks to months without end—in the context of enforcing a misdemeanor illegal-entry law. On even less firm ground is the ability of the government to place a child in foster care absent a best-interest-of-the-child analysis, which is most appropriately conducted by a neutral magistrate. And, to be clear, there is no statutory requirement to separate children from their parents. The separations are flowing directly from the policy decision of the Trump administration to refer additional illegal-entry cases for prosecution without adequately developing a sufficient legal framework and an accompanying policy for addressing the practical realities of what would happen to the children as a result of the new prosecutive guideline. www.lawfareblog.com/legal-considerations-separating-families-border
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Post by Elvado on Jun 20, 2018 11:11:29 GMT -5
Okay. I will play. Where should these children be while their parents await trial?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 11:14:39 GMT -5
Okay. I will play. Where should these children be while their parents await trial? In a cage with 20 other kids. We've got to keep them in baby jail, that's clearly the only option. After all these toddlers could be MS13 animals. Or.....
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 20, 2018 11:25:45 GMT -5
Trump created this problem by implementing his zero-tolerance policy without considering its real world effects. (Sound familiar, Muslim travel ban anyone with Steve Miller's fingerprints on both policies). Previously DOJ exercised prosecutorial discretion in choosing not to criminally prosecute every illegal entrant. Did so where illegal drugs/smuggling or other reasons to suspect criminal activity beyond the misdemeanor of illegal entry. Leon Fresco (former DOJ DAAG in Immigration) says that USG attempted to establish family centers to hold illegal entrants with children while awaiting trial and/or administrative determination and possible repatriation. Also looked at ankle monitors or check in process to maintain knowledge of whereabouts absent detention. No doubt had its flaws, was far from perfect, but did not seek to use minor children and toddlers as leverage for immigration reform. People forget that Obama was criticized as the deporter-in-chief by the Latino community but as the link below notes, there is much more nuance to it than that. At least it appeared likely that Obama's Administration actually thought about it rather than operate from the gut like the Trump Regime and the likes of Miller/Bannon do on this issue. Please take time to listen to the discussion of Obama's policy and practice linked below. www.npr.org/2018/06/20/621726918/obama-official-on-family-separationswww.migrationpolicy.org/article/obama-record-deportations-deporter-chief-or-not
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 11:29:38 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 20, 2018 11:56:10 GMT -5
Kamala 1, Trump 0. This sound so much like the botched rollout of the Muslim travel ban. Maybe we should feel lucky that Trump and his cronies are so incompetent. I guess Trump got schooled, reversing a policy that never existed! Fine, he can still seek to prosecute every illegal entrant(s) but if he had done so without the family separation, he wouldn't have looked as "tough" --- "fake tough guy!" And so much for the alleged deterrent effect. President Trump abruptly reversed course Wednesday, saying he would sign an executive order ending family separations at the U.S.-Mexico border after a public uproar over his administration’s “zero tolerance” immigration policy.The plan, as described by administration officials, would keep families together in federal custody while awaiting prosecution for illegal border crossings, potentially violating a 1997 court settlement limiting the duration of child detentions. www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/gop-leaders-voice-hope-that-bill-addressing-family-separations-will-pass-thursday/2018/06/20/cc79db9a-7480-11e8-b4b7-308400242c2e_story.html?utm_term=.dfb0c73a6add
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 12:28:49 GMT -5
This is a crisis of their own creation... Prediction: Now MAGA media will praise Trump saying he acted decisively to end this...
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 20, 2018 12:44:51 GMT -5
MAGA media is aimed at the gullible who fall for the malignant narcissistic con man that we have as President. They are immune from facts and reason. I hope the EO is reviewed for legal sufficiency by the Office of Legal Counsel as is typical (in normal administrations but perhaps not in this regime) and that an honest legal opinion is rendered. The Trump administration insisted it didn't have a policy of separating children from their parents at the border. It said that it was merely following the law. And it said “Congress alone can fix” the mess. It just admitted all that was nonsense — and that it badly overplayed its hand. Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, who on Sunday and Monday insisted this wasn't an actual a policy and that the administration's hands were tied, will now have to untie them as the White House will reverse the supposedly nonexistent policy. Amid an outcry from Senate Republicans and an emerging promise to fix the problem themselves — just as the White House had demanded — the Trump administration has drafted an executive action to change the policy and keep families united. It's at once an admission that the politics of the issue had gotten out of hand and that the administration's arguments were completely dishonest. Virtually everything they said about the policy is tossed aside with this executive action. It's the political equivalent of waving the white flag and the legal equivalent of confessing to making false statements. Rather than letting Congress rebuke it, the White House is rebuking itself and trying to save some face. www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/06/20/trump-and-kirstjen-nielsens-embarrassing-surrender-on-separating-families/?utm_term=.6a2c9caa9833
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 14:39:36 GMT -5
Now the arsonist can claim to be the heroic firefighter.
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Post by blueeagle on Jun 20, 2018 15:18:17 GMT -5
Only I can fix the problem I created! You're Welcome, America!
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 20, 2018 18:46:36 GMT -5
This is a crisis of their own creation... Prediction: Now MAGA media will praise Trump saying he acted decisively to end this... Yep, and continue to blame the Democrats for the whole sordid affair. The only proper response to this mess is to lock Hillary up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 4:55:35 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 21, 2018 7:36:51 GMT -5
The El Paso County sheriff prohibited his deputies from working off-duty at a temporary shelter housing migrant children, saying he refused to support the Trump administration’s “unjust” policy of separating families at the border. Sheriff Richard Wiles received a phone call on Friday from a local Department of Homeland Security representative asking if his deputies could work off-duty at the shelter site, a tent city about 20 miles east of El Paso at the Tornillo-Marcelino Serna port of entry. The camp was housing migrant children who entered the country unaccompanied but expected to receive children who were forcibly separated from their families, Wiles said in an interview with The Washington Post.The El Paso County sheriff is among a growing list of law enforcement officers and elected leaders who have protested the Trump administration amid the ongoing border crisis. Harris County, Tex., Sheriff Ed Gonzalez called separating families at the border “an affront to American values.” Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo ferociously condemned the policy on Twitter, calling it “oppressive, inhumane, unGodly.” Chris Magnus, the police chief of another border city, Tucson, wrote that the practice raised “troubling questions” for police chiefs who cooperate with immigration enforcement. “Is this consistent with the oath you took to serve & protect?” Magnus said. “Is this humane or moral?” www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/06/21/texas-sheriff-refuses-to-help-feds-guard-migrant-children-tent-city-saying-its-wrong/?utm_term=.5ab3432b7359
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 11:36:04 GMT -5
“I can’t understand this,” the judge said. “If someone at the jail takes your wallet, they give you a receipt. They take your kids, and you get nothing? Not even a slip of paper?”
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 21, 2018 14:26:52 GMT -5
I REALLY DON'T CARE, DO U?
Says it all. These people are the perfect storm of evil and stupid.
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 21, 2018 15:19:12 GMT -5
I REALLY DON'T CARE, DO U? Says it all. These people are the perfect storm of evil and stupid. Remember the crazed right wingers on Mrs. Obama's fashion choices? Deplorable. The right-wing media attacked First Lady Michelle Obama for wearing a red dress to the White House State Dinner, suggesting she did so to honor "Commie Red China." The right has a history of seeing political messages in Michelle Obama and other administration figures' attire. www.mediamatters.org/research/2011/01/20/right-wing-fashion-police-attack-michelle-obama/182894
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 21, 2018 19:12:10 GMT -5
I wouldn't concern myself with this. Who is going to believe these sub-humans, anyway? Back when I was at GU, we used to occasionally call a number where we would hear a recording of Dr. William Pierce (or something like that; could have the last name wrong), the head of the American Nazi Party, spouting nonsense. Today, this guy would probably be a member of Trump's cabinet, or at least a high level advisor.
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 21, 2018 21:31:37 GMT -5
www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/06/20/baby-boys-separated-immigrant-parents-michigan/714527002/Four days ago, a Homeland Security official proclaimed: “We are not separating babies from parents.”
Yet in the middle of the night, two baby boys arrived in Grand Rapids after being separated from their immigrant parents at the southern border weeks ago.
One child is 8 months old; the other is 11 months old. Both children have become part of a bigger group of 50 immigrant children who have landed in foster care in western Michigan under the Trump administration's zero-tolerance border policy.
The average age of these children is 8, a number that has alarmed foster care employees who are struggling to comfort the growing group of kids who are turning up in Michigan at nighttime when it's pitch-dark outside. They're younger than ever, they say. And they are petrified."These kids are arriving between 11 p.m. and 5 a.m. Not only are they being separated from their family, they are being transported to a place that they don't know in the middle of the night," said Hannah Mills, program supervisor for the transitional foster care program at Bethany Christian Services, which is currently assisting the displaced children. "We have found on many occasions that no one has explained to these children where they are going."
According to Mills, some of these displaced children got picked up right at the airport by a foster family, while others wound up at a foster care center, begging to talk to their parents. Many have gone 30 days or more without talking to their parents because their parents can't be located, she said.www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-border-separations-20180620-story.htmlMaryland Attorney General Brian Frosh sent a letter to the federal agencies in charge of the children on Wednesday demanding more information about where children are being placed, specifics on their cases and plans for reuniting them with relatives.
“The Trump Administration’s actions endanger the safety and well-being of innocent children,” Frosh said in a statement. “Our concerns about the utter lack of accountability and failure to plan for reunification of these families must be addressed with urgency.”
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