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Post by puthath on Apr 8, 2019 15:58:56 GMT -5
The question is not the separation at the border issue. The article’s premise was that the high crime and social deterioration makes it very risky for many residents of Honduras. The article suggests that the US should take all such persons into the US. Do you agree? If so, why?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 17:48:44 GMT -5
American exceptional.... errrr cruelty on display... America. Look yourself in the mirror. What do you specifically propose as a solution to this problem in Honduras? Shouldn't you be asking that question to the guy you elected President? It appears other then, be as cruel as humanely possible, he doesn't have one. When you read stories about how desperate these people are do you think building a wall is going to scare them away? If you want to fix the problem you have to go to the source.
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Post by puthath on Apr 8, 2019 17:59:19 GMT -5
What do you specifically propose as a solution to this problem in Honduras? Shouldn't you be asking that question to the guy you elected President? It appears other then, be as cruel as humanely possible, he doesn't have one. When you read stories about how desperate these people are do you think building a wall is going to scare them away? If you want to fix the problem you have to go to the source. What ddI you mean by “go to the source”?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 18:03:14 GMT -5
Shouldn't you be asking that question to the guy you elected President? It appears other then, be as cruel as humanely possible, he doesn't have one. When you read stories about how desperate these people are do you think building a wall is going to scare them away? If you want to fix the problem you have to go to the source. What ddI you mean by “go to the source”? If you want people to stop from coming you have to work to improve security and economic conditions where they're at. Do you agree?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 18:18:48 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on Apr 8, 2019 19:27:00 GMT -5
The question is not the separation at the border issue. The article’s premise was that the high crime and social deterioration makes it very risky for many residents of Honduras. The article suggests that the US should take all such persons into the US. Do you agree? If so, why? Well, yes, separation is an issue. And one that needs to be addressed and quickly. With regard to Honduras, as another poster mentioned, first you don't cut off the aid. Second, you don't chastise and make fun of people seeking asylum and paint them all as gang members with tattoos on their faces and looking like "they belong in the UFC." Compassion would be a good first step. Considering that a lot of the violence is a direct result of Americans' desire for cocaine, since we're not going to decriminalize it, don't you think it's incumbent upon us to take a hard look at allowing more asylum-seekers in?
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Post by puthath on Apr 8, 2019 21:10:57 GMT -5
The question is not the separation at the border issue. The article’s premise was that the high crime and social deterioration makes it very risky for many residents of Honduras. The article suggests that the US should take all such persons into the US. Do you agree? If so, why? Well, yes, separation is an issue. And one that needs to be addressed and quickly. With regard to Honduras, as another poster mentioned, first you don't cut off the aid. Second, you don't chastise and make fun of people seeking asylum and paint them all as gang members with tattoos on their faces and looking like "they belong in the UFC." Compassion would be a good first step. Considering that a lot of the violence is a direct result of Americans' desire for cocaine, since we're not going to decriminalize it, don't you think it's incumbent upon us to take a hard look at allowing more asylum-seekers in? I do not believe there is any evidence that financial aid is the answer. We gave $180 ml to Honduras last year yet the outflow has increased tremendously this year. Where is the money going? So you then propose allowing more people into the US. What are the criteria for admission and how many people are enough?
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Post by puthath on Apr 8, 2019 21:13:28 GMT -5
Well, yes, separation is an issue. And one that needs to be addressed and quickly. With regard to Honduras, as another poster mentioned, first you don't cut off the aid. Second, you don't chastise and make fun of people seeking asylum and paint them all as gang members with tattoos on their faces and looking like "they belong in the UFC." Compassion would be a good first step. Considering that a lot of the violence is a direct result of Americans' desire for cocaine, since we're not going to decriminalize it, don't you think it's incumbent upon us to take a hard look at allowing more asylum-seekers in? I do not believe there is any evidence that financial aid is the answer. We gave $180 ml to Honduras last year yet the outflow has increased tremendously this year. Where is the money going anf how much is enough? And who pays, and why are Hondurans more deserving of help than the poor in this country? So you then propose allowing more people into the US. What are the criteria for admission and how many people are enough? I suggest that the problem is far more complex than simple themes like “children in cages”, etc.
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Post by puthath on Apr 8, 2019 21:14:13 GMT -5
I do not believe there is any evidence that financial aid is the answer. We gave $180 ml to Honduras last year yet the outflow has increased tremendously this year. Where is the money going anf how much is enough? And who pays, and why are Hondurans more deserving of help than the poor in this country? So you then propose allowing more people into the US. What are the criteria for admission and how many people are enough? [/quote
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Post by tashoya on Apr 8, 2019 21:17:13 GMT -5
Well, yes, separation is an issue. And one that needs to be addressed and quickly. With regard to Honduras, as another poster mentioned, first you don't cut off the aid. Second, you don't chastise and make fun of people seeking asylum and paint them all as gang members with tattoos on their faces and looking like "they belong in the UFC." Compassion would be a good first step. Considering that a lot of the violence is a direct result of Americans' desire for cocaine, since we're not going to decriminalize it, don't you think it's incumbent upon us to take a hard look at allowing more asylum-seekers in? I do not believe there is any evidence that financial aid is the answer. We gave $180 ml to Honduras last year yet the outflow has increased tremendously this year. Where is the money going? So you then propose allowing more people into the US. What are the criteria for admission and how many people are enough? The money is mostly going to support local police and anti-narcotics activities. As you well know, we're the biggest consumer of the narcotics. Seems sensible to support the local police in that regard. Without the aid, I suppose, we're going to see if there's an effect with regard to the migration numbers. In any case, I don't think anyone is suggesting more aid means less migration in the short term. It may, however, mean less local violence. With regard to how many people are enough, that's a factor of how many people are truly in danger. If people are being skinned alive in front of their children, I'd err on the side of allowing more in.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 8, 2019 21:18:21 GMT -5
I do not believe there is any evidence that financial aid is the answer. We gave $180 ml to Honduras last year yet the outflow has increased tremendously this year. Where is the money going anf how much is enough? And who pays, and why are Hondurans more deserving of help than the poor in this country? So you then propose allowing more people into the US. What are the criteria for admission and how many people are enough? I suggest that the problem is far more complex than simple themes like “children in cages”, etc. Clearly. That's one issue that is fairly straightforward and could be fixed relatively quickly. Our government is choosing not to. That's part of why it's so egregious.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 8, 2019 21:19:00 GMT -5
I do not believe there is any evidence that financial aid is the answer. We gave $180 ml to Honduras last year yet the outflow has increased tremendously this year. Where is the money going anf how much is enough? And who pays, and why are Hondurans more deserving of help than the poor in this country? So you then propose allowing more people into the US. What are the criteria for admission and how many people are enough? I suggest that the problem is far more complex than simple themes like “children in cages”, etc. The biggest problem is that US Americans like South American drugs and are willing to pay a lot of money for them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 0:21:48 GMT -5
Well, yes, separation is an issue. And one that needs to be addressed and quickly. With regard to Honduras, as another poster mentioned, first you don't cut off the aid. Second, you don't chastise and make fun of people seeking asylum and paint them all as gang members with tattoos on their faces and looking like "they belong in the UFC." Compassion would be a good first step. Considering that a lot of the violence is a direct result of Americans' desire for cocaine, since we're not going to decriminalize it, don't you think it's incumbent upon us to take a hard look at allowing more asylum-seekers in? I do not believe there is any evidence that financial aid is the answer. We gave $180 ml to Honduras last year yet the outflow has increased tremendously this year. Where is the money going? So you then propose allowing more people into the US. What are the criteria for admission and how many people are enough? There were more people coming from Honduras in 2014 than there were last year. Since poverty and violence is the main driver of the migrant crisis I don't see any logical reason why taking money out of the equation will do anything but hurt the situation. I would love to hear your explanation on how that works. If conditions in these countries don't improve more people will come, and a wall isn't going to stop them. What specific policy has Trump proposed that gets to the root of the problem? Can you name any?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 9:47:26 GMT -5
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Post by badgerhoya on Apr 9, 2019 10:02:03 GMT -5
Well, yes, separation is an issue. And one that needs to be addressed and quickly. With regard to Honduras, as another poster mentioned, first you don't cut off the aid. Second, you don't chastise and make fun of people seeking asylum and paint them all as gang members with tattoos on their faces and looking like "they belong in the UFC." Compassion would be a good first step. Considering that a lot of the violence is a direct result of Americans' desire for cocaine, since we're not going to decriminalize it, don't you think it's incumbent upon us to take a hard look at allowing more asylum-seekers in? I do not believe there is any evidence that financial aid is the answer. We gave $180 ml to Honduras last year yet the outflow has increased tremendously this year. Where is the money going? So you then propose allowing more people into the US. What are the criteria for admission and how many people are enough? Financial Aid —> decreased violence —> economic opportunity —> enough hope to stay home. Evidence borne out by our experience with Mexican migration, which decrease tremendously after the end of the peso crisis (which, IIRC, was partially resolved due to investments by the Treasury Dept). Punitive measures, on the other hand, may make you feel superior, but they don’t actually solve the problem.
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Post by TC on Apr 9, 2019 10:31:12 GMT -5
Punitive measures, on the other hand, may make you feel superior, but they don’t actually solve the problem. Trump doesn't want to solve the problem, he wants to exacerbate it so he can run on it. Decreased aid -> more migration -> caravans -> Trump yelling about caravans -> reelection -> pay off Russians with stupid wall World's going to get super ugly when sea level rise starts hitting and people start moving northward.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 9, 2019 19:32:50 GMT -5
Punitive measures, on the other hand, may make you feel superior, but they don’t actually solve the problem. Trump doesn't want to solve the problem, he wants to exacerbate it so he can run on it. Decreased aid -> more migration -> caravans -> Trump yelling about caravans -> reelection -> pay off Russians with stupid wall World's going to get super ugly when sea level rise starts hitting and people start moving northward. Exactly. Who wants the Floridians?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 19:28:41 GMT -5
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Post by badgerhoya on Apr 11, 2019 22:12:45 GMT -5
Government of the trolls, by the trolls, and for the trolls.
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Post by puthath on Apr 12, 2019 5:30:24 GMT -5
Government of the trolls, by the trolls, and for the trolls. If Democrats welcome undocumented immigrants what is the problem with this? Or is it a bit of NIMBYism by blue states and cities?
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