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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 8:29:39 GMT -5
Agree or disagree at least Senator Harris's heart is in the right place and the only losers seem to be the families being separated, but go off I guess...
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Post by Elvado on May 28, 2018 8:39:50 GMT -5
Agree or disagree at least Senator Harris's heart is in the right place and the only losers seem to be the families being separated, but go off I guess... Senator Klieg lights’ heart is more likely in the latest polls but I digress...
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Post by EtomicB on May 28, 2018 9:13:13 GMT -5
You may be right about the punishment not fitting the crime. American citizens who commit crime(some non-violent) are separated from their children every day. Senator Klieg lights refused to see that distinction. Hence my post. Why do you keep pretending this issue only affects folks who cross illegally? I posted a story on a mother and daughter from the Congo who went to a port of entry in San Diego, sought a a border patrol agent to ask for asylum. They passed the initial asylum screening but were still separated by US officials.. What crime did they commit?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 9:15:37 GMT -5
Agree or disagree at least Senator Harris's heart is in the right place and the only losers seem to be the families being separated, but go off I guess... Senator Klieg lights’ heart is more likely in the latest polls but I digress... Don't think she needs to look at a poll to decide separating kids from their parents for no reason is a bad idea. All you need to do is have a heart.
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Post by Elvado on May 28, 2018 9:19:21 GMT -5
Under your construct, we should start housing children of criminals with their parents...
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 9:26:07 GMT -5
Under your construct, we should start housing children of criminals with their parents... Must have missed the "for no reason" part... Under your construct, we should separate a parent from their one year old for the crime of seeking asylum.
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Post by Elvado on May 28, 2018 9:32:59 GMT -5
No. I have no problem with those legitimately seeking asylum being treated differently than those simply streaming across what passes for a Border.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 9:40:26 GMT -5
Literally every story posted over the last two pages is about an asylum seeker being turning themselves in at the border and being separated from their kid/s... Every single one...
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Post by Elvado on May 28, 2018 9:45:31 GMT -5
Literally every story posted over the last two pages is about an asylum seeker being turning themselves in at the border and being separated from their kid/s... Every single one... Right because those accounts engender sympathy. What about those who simply want to jump the border?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 9:53:44 GMT -5
Literally every story posted over the last two pages is about an asylum seeker being turning themselves in at the border and being separated from their kid/s... Every single one... Right because those accounts engender sympathy. What about those who simply want to jump the border? Those are the stories your responding to, and clearly they engendered no sympathy from you. Taking a child from a non violent non abusive parent should be the last thing you do, not the first. That's not controversial, and has been US policy until Trump changed it. What lengths would you go to fight for a better future for your child? I'm sure the answer is ANY. The facts are your question is 100% irrelevant because the law doesn't differentiate between the two scenarios your asking about. All of the above are considered criminals according to this new policy, and all of the above are treated like "animals" as a result.
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Post by Elvado on May 28, 2018 10:23:44 GMT -5
Right because those accounts engender sympathy. What about those who simply want to jump the border? Those are the stories your responding to, and clearly they engendered no sympathy from you. Taking a child from a non violent non abusive parent should be the last thing you do, not the first. That's not controversial, and has been US policy until Trump changed it. What lengths would you go to fight for a better future for your child? I'm sure the answer is ANY. The facts are your question is 100% irrelevant because the law doesn't differentiate between the two scenarios your asking about. All of the above are considered criminals according to this new policy, and all of the above are treated like "animals" as a result. I responded to a US Senator being deliberately obtuse or completely disingenuous for pure political gain. If Kamala Harris did not know what she was talking about, she is in over her head. If she did know, she was disingenuous in her attack on the Secretary. I would go to any lengths for my children. And if I broke the law doing so, Inwould he subject to punishment.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 10:30:59 GMT -5
Those are the stories your responding to, and clearly they engendered no sympathy from you. Taking a child from a non violent non abusive parent should be the last thing you do, not the first. That's not controversial, and has been US policy until Trump changed it. What lengths would you go to fight for a better future for your child? I'm sure the answer is ANY. The facts are your question is 100% irrelevant because the law doesn't differentiate between the two scenarios your asking about. All of the above are considered criminals according to this new policy, and all of the above are treated like "animals" as a result. I responded to a US Senator being deliberately obtuse or completely disingenuous for pure political gain. If Kamala Harris did not know what she was talking about, she is in over her head. If she did know, she was disingenuous in her attack on the Secretary. I would go to any lengths for my children. And if I broke the law doing so, Inwould he subject to punishment. "being deliberately obtuse or completely disingenuous" Hopefully the people administering that punishment would be more sympathetic to your plight than you are being to those who are trying to do that.
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Post by TC on May 28, 2018 10:37:11 GMT -5
You may be right about the punishment not fitting the crime. American citizens who commit crime(some non-violent) are separated from their children every day. Senator Klieg lights refused to see that distinction. Hence my post. "We should treat people who are giving up everything for the sake of their children the same as American human traffickers, abusers, and sexual offenders because nationalism" is an argument that is disgusting and blind. If your argument is that we should treat immigrants the same is that we should be making every good faith effort to locate family to place the children coming over with like we do with American criminals, that's not happening. The kids are being used as leverage for deterrence by our government.
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Post by EtomicB on May 28, 2018 11:33:25 GMT -5
No. I have no problem with those legitimately seeking asylum being treated differently than those simply streaming across what passes for a Border. But in many instances, they aren't being treated differently.. I don't think it's right even in the cases involving folks crossing the border illegally but it's much worse when folks seeking asylum at ports of entry are being separated as well.. Where's your empathy Elvado? smh.. I get it you hate Harris but conflating or ignoring wrongdoing because it's a cause she supports is silly in my view.. www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/huppke/ct-met-aclu-class-action-border-trump-huppke-20180309-story.htmlIn just one of four sworn statements entered along with the lawsuit, Michelle Brane, an attorney and director of the Migrant Rights and Justice Program at the Women’s Refugee Commission, says “we have been able to identify separation of parents from children at the border in at least 429 cases collected from our own experience, legal service providers, attorneys, and social service agencies around the country. While the Women’s Refugee Commission acknowledges that the separation of an immigrant child from an adult with whom they are traveling may be appropriate in certain cases where there is substantiated reason to suspect that the adult and child are not in fact related, or reason to suspect that the child is in imminent physical danger from the adult, this has not been shown in any way to be the case in the above referenced identified cases. The children in these cases range from toddlers to young teenagers.”
The two examples given to represent the class in the ACLU’s lawsuit are Ms. L. — the mother in the case I’ve been writing about — and a mother identified as Ms. C., a Brazilian woman who arrived seeking asylum and was separated from her 14-year-old son last August. The son, identified only as “J.”, is being held at a facility here in Chicago, just like Ms. L.’s daughter.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 8:44:08 GMT -5
twitter.com/EditedhayHossain/status/1001449064435802112 "Without giving me even a moment to comfort him, the officer shut the door. I could see my son through the window, looking back at me -- waiting for me to get in the car with him -- but I wasn't allowed to. He was screaming as the car drove away." Her son was 18 months old....
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on May 29, 2018 15:47:34 GMT -5
Y'all need to cut my boy some slack. Everybody knows that the end always justifies the means....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 10:07:23 GMT -5
What the Attorney General is describing as a crime is literally the only way a person can apply for asylum. www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/obtaining-asylum-united-states"To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States." This is a a protected right under international law that Sessions frames as a crime that parents should be separated from their kids for. #Animals Even though Trump's attorney general, who announced the new policy is defending it, that won't stop Trump from lying...
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 6, 2018 0:22:25 GMT -5
What the Attorney General is describing as a crime is literally the only way a person can apply for asylum. www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/obtaining-asylum-united-states"To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States." This is a a protected right under international law that Sessions frames as a crime that parents should be separated from their kids for. #Animals Even though Trump's attorney general, who announced the new policy is defending it, that won't stop Trump from lying... It's all the fault of that witch, Hillary. Lock her up. Trump's rule number 1: Take responsibility for nothing. Corollary: Blame the opposition for every failed policy. Corollary number two: Just make things up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 9:40:18 GMT -5
What the Attorney General is describing as a crime is literally the only way a person can apply for asylum. www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/obtaining-asylum-united-states"To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States." This is a a protected right under international law that Sessions frames as a crime that parents should be separated from their kids for. #Animals Even though Trump's attorney general, who announced the new policy is defending it, that won't stop Trump from lying... It's all the fault of that witch, Hillary. Lock her up. Trump's rule number 1: Take responsibility for nothing. Corollary: Blame the opposition for every failed policy. Corollary number two: Just make things up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 10:15:07 GMT -5
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