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Post by kbones17 on Apr 25, 2018 13:41:13 GMT -5
To those commenting that Wilson is raw offensively, I'd just say... of course he is! If he had the same size, mobility and defensive instincts that he has now with an even moderately polished offensive game he'd be a unanimous five star top 25 recruit with offers to all the blue bloods. The fact that his offense lags his defensive right now is probably the only reason we're well positioned. Maybe some of you believe that coming off of our recent recruiting successes we should be able to land 5 star types in the 2019 class, but given our lack of on-court success and our failure to put anybody in the NBA post-Otto, I'm not quite there yet. If we have a strong season and make the tournament this year we may have that kind of momentum this time next year. Wilson to me is like clay for Ewing and staff to mold into a high level college player. Sure there are gaps right now, but he has the things you can't teach (size, athleticism, instincts) and the things he's lacking (post moves, face up game, etc.) are things he can be taught from an elite big man coach. For that reason I think his ceiling is really high. And I don't think you really evaluate him by taking his high school stats and dropping that into the Big East, you have to project his natural tools 2.5 years down the road, after another year of high school and a year of being coached by Patrick and playing against Yurtseven every day in practice. A lot of bigger guys have longer developmental curves than guards, and sometimes when it starts to click it's a thing of beauty (we saw this with guys like Hibbert and Sims). Watching Wilson's interviews, it seems pretty clear that he is a soft-spoken, down-to-earth kind of guy who is really just starting to wrap his mind around his athletic abilities. He seems to me like a guy who has a really bright future if he's put in a good position to develop himself, and I honestly think that we'd be that. I don’t disagree with a lot of what you’ve wrote, but we’ve offered a lot of 3, 4 and 5 stars bigs in the ‘19 class, and probably all of them have more advanced offensive skills than Wilson. I don’t think anyone is saying to stop recruiting him, but the discussion is whether you’d take a commitment from him at this point and whether he should be your top priority.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Apr 25, 2018 14:00:48 GMT -5
We need a rim protector. Take him. Ewing wanted Manny Bates and Wilson seems similar to him.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 26, 2018 3:59:23 GMT -5
The timing. The quick jumps. The length. Maaaannn.
Maybe people would prefer if Ewing pulled a Villanova redshirt maneuver with him.
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Post by Elvado on Apr 26, 2018 4:28:58 GMT -5
I would extend a committable offer to this player now. He is exactly the type of prospect Patrick can develop into a Star. He also will not enter school with one foot out the door like some others.
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Post by AshantiCooksBurner on Apr 26, 2018 8:55:56 GMT -5
Start the class with Wilson and then go all out for the top guys knowing you at least have him in the bag. This is the exact type of player Pat can mold and then use as an example for years to come.
Great timing, impressive ability to avoid body contact, good defensive footwork. Offensive game can come in time, and if it never does, he'll be a four year rim protector.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Apr 26, 2018 9:34:27 GMT -5
Totally agree. You can't teach that type of athleticism and timing. He's an excellent rim protector -- strong side and weak side. He can finish above the rim on the break. Perfect. If we land a one and done type after, a redshirt isn't a bad idea if Jesse is back.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 26, 2018 10:20:52 GMT -5
Start the class with Wilson and then go all out for the top guys knowing you at least have him in the bag. This is the exact type of player Pat can mold and then use as an example for years to come. Great timing, impressive ability to avoid body contact, good defensive footwork. Offensive game can come in time, and if it never does, he'll be a four year rim protector. Is a rim protector all that important in this 3pt era of basketball?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 10:21:48 GMT -5
Yes....
I believe the new rules are 3's or layups/dunks so rim protection helps your defense imo..
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 26, 2018 10:39:56 GMT -5
Yes.... I believe the new rules are 3's or layups/dunks so rim protection helps your defense imo.. Would you rather have a player who can switch everything or a rim protector?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 10:45:36 GMT -5
Yes.... I believe the new rules are 3's or layups/dunks so rim protection helps your defense imo.. Would you rather have a player who can switch everything or a rim protector? Why is it a choice between the two? Ochefu could guard the perimeter and block some shots, this kid looks like he can do both. Have you seen anything to say he can't or just speculating?
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 26, 2018 11:14:24 GMT -5
Would you rather have a player who can switch everything or a rim protector? Why is it a choice between the two? Ochefu could guard the perimeter and block some shots, this kid looks like he can do both. Have you seen anything to say he can't or just speculating? It's not so much a choice but it could be a preference.. Ochefu did block some shots but I would never categorize him as a rim protector as posters are with Wilson.. No, I haven't seen anything to suggest he can't play in a switching type defense but his clips don't show that he'd be good at it either.. As I posted previously, I think he'd be a nice pull but if 3 years from now his best contribution is being a rim protector, he's probably not going to be playing much..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 11:17:42 GMT -5
Why is it a choice between the two? Ochefu could guard the perimeter and block some shots, this kid looks like he can do both. Have you seen anything to say he can't or just speculating? It's not so much a choice but it could be a preference.. Ochefu did block some shots but I would never categorize him as a rim protector as posters are with Wilson.. No, I haven't seen anything to suggest he can't play in a switching type defense but his clips don't show that he'd be good at it either..
As I posted previously, I think he'd be a nice pull but if 3 years from now his best contribution is being a rim protector, he's probably not going to be playing much.. Why do you say this? In his clips he shows good mobility and defensive awareness.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 26, 2018 11:26:07 GMT -5
Kid is so quick off his feet. I would rather Wilson than a plodding center that can’t run a break, keep up with his man or play help defense.
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Post by wnyhoya on Apr 26, 2018 11:34:58 GMT -5
Those clips are definitely impressive. Like everyone has said he has a very good knack for timing and knowing when to leave the floor. But I will say that the level of comp does not look great...
I'd be all for him as a redshirt type with also bringing in a more instant impact type big. Would be disappointed though if we swung and missed on all our other more highly rated targets and only got him
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 26, 2018 11:48:31 GMT -5
Those clips are definitely impressive. Like everyone has said he has a very good knack for timing and knowing when to leave the floor. But I will say that the level of comp does not look great... I'd be all for him as a redshirt type with also bringing in a more instant impact type big. Would be disappointed though if we swung and missed on all our other more highly rated targets and only got him He was one of the block leaders in that first EYBL session, so seems like that part of his game translates to better talent. I would think a well rounded big and a raw but moldable rim protector like Wilson would make a nice tandem to get.
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Post by sleepy on Apr 26, 2018 11:52:51 GMT -5
The idea that rim protector isn't valuable in this era of college basketball is asinine anyways. Having someone in the back of the defense allows guards to tightly contest the 3 point shot because its not as much of a risk to get beat by the dribble.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 26, 2018 12:01:15 GMT -5
It's not so much a choice but it could be a preference.. Ochefu did block some shots but I would never categorize him as a rim protector as posters are with Wilson.. No, I haven't seen anything to suggest he can't play in a switching type defense but his clips don't show that he'd be good at it either..
As I posted previously, I think he'd be a nice pull but if 3 years from now his best contribution is being a rim protector, he's probably not going to be playing much.. Why do you say this? In his clips he shows good mobility and defensive awareness. I'll rewatch but he looked to be the help defender in many of the blocks..
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 26, 2018 12:04:04 GMT -5
The idea that rim protector isn't valuable in this era of college basketball is asinine anyways. Having someone in the back of the defense allows guards to tightly contest the 3 point shot because its not as much of a risk to get beat by the dribble. How well can a player protect the rim if his man is camped 22 ft from the basket? What happens when the rim protectors man sets the screen out by the 3pt line?
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 26, 2018 12:07:06 GMT -5
The idea that rim protector isn't valuable in this era of college basketball is asinine anyways. Having someone in the back of the defense allows guards to tightly contest the 3 point shot because its not as much of a risk to get beat by the dribble. How well can a player protect the rim if his man is camped 22 ft from the basket? What happens when the rim protectors man sets the screen out by the 3pt line? I'd normally agree, but Wilson looks fast and athletic. Anyway, if there is one guy I trust evaluating centers, it's Pat, so I am good with whoever he gets.
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