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Post by professorhoya on Jan 18, 2019 16:56:25 GMT -5
When Mosley did it he was absolutely destroyed. Did you stick up for him? There are more than enough white knights who are coming to Coach Akinjos rescue. These kids are no longer freshmen. So previous poster's alleged bashing of other players is a green light for your immature attacks on Akinjo? Got it... That's an evasion. Where were you when Mosley was getting bashed? Or Ewing? |
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Jan 18, 2019 17:14:16 GMT -5
I love his game and his confidence. He has made some big plays and made some mistakes. He will make more of both, but I am confident that the ratio of big plays to mistakes will grow.
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Post by Filo on Jan 18, 2019 17:19:08 GMT -5
So previous poster's alleged bashing of other players is a green light for your immature attacks on Akinjo? Got it... That's an evasion. Where were you when Mosley was getting bashed? Or Ewing? It's a losing argument and you are doing yourself a disfavor by continually denigrating an 18-year old and then attempting to justify it with misplaced relativism. |
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Post by beenaround on Jan 18, 2019 17:19:28 GMT -5
Let's forget it and move on. NOONE knows what was his reasoning for ignoring Coach.....I gave my guess, others have given theirs. Bottom Line... He is a talent and a warrior and we need him playing well to get where we want to go.
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Post by x-centercourt400s on Jan 18, 2019 17:21:43 GMT -5
So previous poster's alleged bashing of other players is a green light for your immature attacks on Akinjo? Got it... That's an evasion. Where were you when Mosley was getting bashed? Or Ewing? Well, I wasn't calling players on the team silly names. I respect criticism from anyone about anything as long as it is thoughtful, honest and not childishly mean. Most critical posts don't need to be responded to. Yours did. You want to criticize? Go ahead. You want to call names and belittle players, then expect some blowback. I'm also not into prolonged hijacking of threads to argue about non-basketball related issues, so let's move on. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 18, 2019 17:37:55 GMT -5
It shouldn't matter if it's a game-ending play or not, the players should run what the coach calls whenever he calls it... I don't think it's that cut and dry tbh. I had a coach in HS that used to say. I don't want you to be robots out there, if you see or have and advantage, take it. But if you call me off, you better make the shot, or you'll be sitting next to me. Yeah, people are acting like it is Hoosiers out there or something. Actually, even in Hoosiers, Hackman let them go off script a bit. Patrick isn't a pushover, that's pretty clear, no? So whatever he decides is fine, but I think players making their own decisions is much more common in basketball right now than people on here seem to believe. I know it is incredibly common at the next level, though that's somewhat of a poor comparison. |
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 18, 2019 18:22:14 GMT -5
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. If James had not taken that long 3 vs Provy, we would probably have lost. He made that decision (I still have not seen that last play) vs Marquette and we lost. It is all a process of telling when to shoot/drive and when not to. I hope this is something he can learn and become a better player for it. Did you forget that Even in the Provy game at the end of regulation before MaClungs heroics that Coach Akinjo blew a play that put us in a really bad position to win that game. Sorry, I didn't see the game. I am going by what the posters say and some highlights, and the highlights were the 3s that saved us. |
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 18, 2019 18:28:44 GMT -5
That's an evasion. Where were you when Mosley was getting bashed? Or Ewing? Well, I wasn't calling players on the team silly names. I respect criticism from anyone about anything as long as it is thoughtful, honest and not childishly mean. Most critical posts don't need to be responded to. Yours did. You want to criticize? Go ahead. You want to call names and belittle players, then expect some blowback. I'm also not into prolonged hijacking of threads to argue about non-basketball related issues, so let's move on. You make some good points. However, you yourself have posted childishly mean posts yourself, name calling posters and insulting others: Given that so many are chiding Akinjo for immaturity, its interesting that this poster persists in using a sarcastic and pejorative made up nickname for someone who he/she is upset with. That kind of immaturity is usually confined these days to grade school playgrounds and the White House.So that seems strange. As far as Akinjo, until he can show respect for 4 year senior Govan (his last chance at the tourney), the rest of the team, and more importantly to my man, NBA HOF, 11x NBA All Star, 17 years coaching basketball, and one of the greatest college players of all time, Patrick Ewing I will continue to call him Coach Akinjo. |
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 18, 2019 18:33:28 GMT -5
Did you forget that Even in the Provy game at the end of regulation before MaClungs heroics that Coach Akinjo blew a play that put us in a really bad position to win that game. Sorry, I didn't see the game. I am going by what the posters say and some highlights, and the highlights were the 3s that saved us. Yeah, that one IIRC we were down by 1 point with a chance to win like 30 seconds left. Akinjo ignored coach and dribbled the ball and the shot clock down then shot a 3 which missed. Providence then scored making it a 3 pt margin with 5 seconds left. And then MacLung hit the 40 footer to tie it and bring it into overtime. It was something like that. We basically got a Hail Mary from MacLung but if you go back to even the Provy thread people went ballistic before the MacLung hail mary. |
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Post by x-centercourt400s on Jan 18, 2019 19:20:32 GMT -5
Well, I wasn't calling players on the team silly names. I respect criticism from anyone about anything as long as it is thoughtful, honest and not childishly mean. Most critical posts don't need to be responded to. Yours did. You want to criticize? Go ahead. You want to call names and belittle players, then expect some blowback. I'm also not into prolonged hijacking of threads to argue about non-basketball related issues, so let's move on. You make some good points. However, you yourself have posted childishly mean posts yourself, name calling posters and insulting others: Given that so many are chiding Akinjo for immaturity, its interesting that this poster persists in using a sarcastic and pejorative made up nickname for someone who he/she is upset with. That kind of immaturity is usually confined these days to grade school playgrounds and the White House.So that seems strange. As far as Akinjo, until he can show respect for 4 year senior Govan (his last chance at the tourney), the rest of the team, and more importantly to my man, NBA HOF, 11x NBA All Star, 17 years coaching basketball, and one of the greatest college players of all time, Patrick Ewing I will continue to call him Coach Akinjo. Calling out your posts for what they were isn't mean, it's real. If it makes you feel better to call a players names then I guess I can't stop you. I hope it works for you as a "fan". |
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 18, 2019 19:35:21 GMT -5
You make some good points. However, you yourself have posted childishly mean posts yourself, name calling posters and insulting others: So that seems strange. As far as Akinjo, until he can show respect for 4 year senior Govan (his last chance at the tourney), the rest of the team, and more importantly to my man, NBA HOF, 11x NBA All Star, 17 years coaching basketball, and one of the greatest college players of all time, Patrick Ewing I will continue to call him Coach Akinjo. Calling out your posts for what they were isn't mean, it's real. If it makes you feel better to call a players names then I guess I can't stop you. I hope it works for you as a "fan". I thought you said you were moving on? So when you act childish and insult posters and POTUS it's being "real". But when others do it they are simply being childish. Seems like a double standard. Odd, that. |
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 18, 2019 20:49:38 GMT -5
Was hoping to read a substantive conversation on akinjo and sadly all I find is trash talking between posters. Hoping James can learn from his tough outing as freshman do and bring it against Creighton.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 18, 2019 20:56:13 GMT -5
The ending still beats passing it around the perimeter and tossing a desperation shot a the buzzer like we used to do repeatedly. Remember those days? I can live with skilled freshman guards who are learning the college game.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 18, 2019 21:48:22 GMT -5
I think it's useful to note that nobody here is really questioning whether Akinjo has talent or if he's got a ton of potential. Make no mistake - Akinjo is crucial to this team's success. The fact that a guy like Akinjo can go 1-10 and his efficiency isn't horrible (though not that good either) is a testament to the fact that he's doing a lot of other things correctly. In fact, it demonstrates that with relatively small improvements (and generally things that he can learn), he could be a very efficient, high quality offensive player for us. Everyone here is reacting - rightfully so - to the fact that Akinjo made a bad decision at the end of the game and seems to have blown off Ewing's play. As I've said before, that he made the bad decision isn't necessarily new or a big deal - he made several similar decisions where he tried to get to the rim and failed during the game, and every single of one of those may have "cost" us the game. Of course, that's something he needs to learn. The bigger issue is that if Akinjo blew off the play, that's a problem simply because you need the team to act together as a unit, and it's hard to do that when you're not listening. I doubt that this is unique to Akinjo - after all, these are teenagers (or slightly older) and imperfect players, so guys are going to take bad shots and make mistakes, even when the coach advises them otherwise. It's just magnified in a big spot like that. Clearly, in other big spots, he's come through for us. This time, it didn't work. Keep in mind, even if Akinjo got a pass off to Govan, Mac, or Mourning, there's no guarantee we would've won. The odds were against us there regardless. It's just a matter of putting ourselves in the best position to win, which didn't happen in that instance. I am confident if Ewing did indeed get blown off that Akinjo will hear about it plenty, and it's up to him to ensure that doesn't happen again. But, no doubt, Akinjo has a powerful role going forward. And that's why benching him, while sounding good and making us as fans feel a bit better, is not necessarily the answer (but it may be). It all depends on what Akinjo responds to. Many excellent points here, hoyasaxa2003. Appreciate your perspective. |
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Post by rlo24 on Jan 19, 2019 1:00:01 GMT -5
Part of me thinks he doesn't trust what is being called. Personally, i wish he had decided to ignore the calls with about 13 minutes left. At that point we are up 51-45 with 13:45. McClung has 20 points on 6-9 shooting,including 3-4 from three point range. From that point on (13 minutes!) McClung gets 3 more shots the entire game and 2 are in the last 40 seconds including the last second toss. Don't know if coach is to blame here but it makes no sense to me. I wish James woukd have blown of the calls in that 13 minutes Mac got 1 shot and gotten him the ball. 1 basket and we win. Maybe James thought the same as me and decided enough was enough and took it on himself. Didn't workout for anyone.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 19, 2019 7:27:52 GMT -5
Part of me thinks he doesn't trust what is being called. Personally, i wish he had decided to ignore the calls with about 13 minutes left. At that point we are up 51-45 with 13:45. McClung has 20 points on 6-9 shooting,including 3-4 from three point range. From that point on (13 minutes!) McClung gets 3 more shots the entire game and 2 are in the last 40 seconds including the last second toss. Don't know if coach is to blame here but it makes no sense to me. I wish James woukd have blown of the calls in that 13 minutes Mac got 1 shot and gotten him the ball. 1 basket and we win. Maybe James thought the same as me and decided enough was enough and took it on himself. Didn't workout for anyone. I know you've raised this a couple times. It's one thing to say that Mac didn't get shots, but that's meaningless without looking at the possessions. A lot were fast break opportunities or secondary breaks. Those are going to result in shots for whomever is left open within the flow of the game. Often that's how he gets his shot attempts in fact...just not here. But more to the point, your theory just isn't true. At 13:00, there's a high PNR for him. He comes off the screen, drives, and turns it over. Leads directly to Marq fast break hoop At 1230, there's a down screen for him and he takes a very contested turn and shoot three attempt that misses. At 1050, after a PE timeout we run a PNR for him immediately. It's well defended, he properly passes, and someone else shoots. At 1010, we run a down screen for him but he's well defended and doesn't shoot. Instead he drives, gets caught in the air and dishes. Later same possession, he gets a PNR but gets doubled off screen and passes. At 912, he shoots and makes a wide open three. At some point thereafer, he is then subbed out for a couple minutes and I stopped watching. I think he came back in with about 5 mins left but don't quote me on that. So, what's the issue? He had plenty of chances and plays run for him in a good portion of the segment you complain about. Not everytime down the court of course. But plenty. Seemed like the D was properly focusing on him much more and he was making appropriate reads when they did. |
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 19, 2019 7:28:48 GMT -5
Speaking as a moderator, I would ask that we stop calling players (especially) and other posters names here. At a minimum, it is pretty disrespectful. Others including the players and their families read this forum and frankly it doesn't reflect well on us here. In addition, several pages of arguing over each others' posts adds zero to the discussion. Criticize play if you like, that's part of why this forum exists.
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Post by rlo24 on Jan 19, 2019 9:05:13 GMT -5
Part of me thinks he doesn't trust what is being called. Personally, i wish he had decided to ignore the calls with about 13 minutes left. At that point we are up 51-45 with 13:45. McClung has 20 points on 6-9 shooting,including 3-4 from three point range. From that point on (13 minutes!) McClung gets 3 more shots the entire game and 2 are in the last 40 seconds including the last second toss. Don't know if coach is to blame here but it makes no sense to me. I wish James woukd have blown of the calls in that 13 minutes Mac got 1 shot and gotten him the ball. 1 basket and we win. Maybe James thought the same as me and decided enough was enough and took it on himself. Didn't workout for anyone. I know you've raised this a couple times. It's one thing to say that Mac didn't get shots, but that's meaningless without looking at the possessions. A lot were fast break opportunities or secondary breaks. Those are going to result in shots for whomever is left open within the flow of the game. Often that's how he gets his shot attempts in fact...just not here. But more to the point, your theory just isn't true. At 13:00, there's a high PNR for him. He comes off the screen, drives, and turns it over. Leads directly to Marq fast break hoop At 1230, there's a down screen for him and he takes a very contested turn and shoot three attempt that misses. At 1050, after a PE timeout we run a PNR for him immediately. It's well defended, he properly passes, and someone else shoots. At 1010, we run a down screen for him but he's well defended and doesn't shoot. Instead he drives, gets caught in the air and dishes. Later same possession, he gets a PNR but gets doubled off screen and passes. At 912, he shoots and makes a wide open three. At some point thereafer, he is then subbed out for a couple minutes and I stopped watching. I think he came back in with about 5 mins left but don't quote me on that. So, what's the issue? He had plenty of chances and plays run for him in a good portion of the segment you complain about. Not everytime down the court of course. But plenty. Seemed like the D was properly focusing on him much more and he was making appropriate reads when they did. Appreciate the analysis. Gives me a bit of a different picture that i didn't pick watching live or looking at the stats after game. Thanks sir! |
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 19, 2019 9:47:37 GMT -5
Speaking as a moderator, I would ask that we stop calling players (especially) and other posters names here. At a minimum, it is pretty disrespectful. Others including the players and their families read this forum and frankly it doesn't reflect well on us here. In addition, several pages of arguing over each others' posts adds zero to the discussion. Criticize play if you like, that's part of why this forum exists. thanks to a good hoya moderator WE ARE ALL FANS FOR THIS TEAM and they all and the coaching staff work very hard and we are seeing results thanks Dan.  |
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jan 19, 2019 12:48:47 GMT -5
You know, I have had several days--almost a week--to step back and reflect on the game. I am fine with the outcome. Mac, himself said that when he made the incredible shot in the previous game, he looked down court, saw Govan, and probably should have passed it to Govan. He went on to say that he shot the ball with confidence, and that Coach always said he like that in a player. Ewing, himself has said that both freshmen think that they can leap over tall buildings. Quite frankly, I like that in a player myself. It's the Michael Grahm in me. The long and short of it is when you try to leap over tall buildings, sometimes you are going to fall flat on your face. The other thing that I feel may have played into it somewhat was that Akinjo wasn't having a spectacular game, and may have wanted to be a hero and save the day. I am not not trying to be an apologist at all for Akinjo, especially if he has a thing of making decisions on his own. What I am saying is let's not even try to stifle, or harness, that confidence that we see in Mac and Akinjo. You win some, you lose some. Sometimes, you wish you could take it back. However, I get the feeling that over the course of these two guys' careers, this incident will be just a blip on what promises to be without a doubt, stellar careers by both players. Teachable moment! That's all.
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