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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 16, 2020 12:25:35 GMT -5
And let him touch the ball consistently!
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Post by hoyas315 on Jan 20, 2020 12:26:59 GMT -5
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Post by mdtd on Jan 24, 2020 0:00:08 GMT -5
Someone had mentioned in the Wahab thread Yurtseven's jump ball success/failure. So, I went in and looked at it. I'm posting this here because it relates more to Omer than Wahab, but what I found I thought was really interesting. I went back and looked at the Big East games just because it's something I haven't paid attention to, he's 3-4 in Big East play. He lost against Providence, won the next three and then lost the next three, according to what I saw.
Omer's stats in Big East games where he wins the jump ball: 9.6 PPG, 7.6 REB, 1.3 APG, and one combined block/steal per game (2 blocks and one steal in these three games) on 35.7% shooting (pushed by his bad Seton Hall game), 0/1 from three and 90% FT.
In losses: 15.5 PPG, 9 REB, 1.3 APG, 1.8BPG, .5SPG on 56.25% shooting (even with that Xavier game) 2/4 from three and 85.7% FT.
So obviously take this with a grain of salt as when I looked back at these games I thought it was interesting how different his performances have been, granted in a small sample size. But, for some reason, Omer has been better when he loses the jump ball and it isn't really even close.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 24, 2020 10:23:30 GMT -5
Someone had mentioned in the Wahab thread Yurtseven's jump ball success/failure. So, I went in and looked at it. I'm posting this here because it relates more to Omer than Wahab, but what I found I thought was really interesting. I went back and looked at the Big East games just because it's something I haven't paid attention to, he's 3-4 in Big East play. He lost against Providence, won the next three and then lost the next three, according to what I saw. Omer's stats in Big East games where he wins the jump ball: 9.6 PPG, 7.6 REB, 1.3 APG, and one combined block/steal per game (2 blocks and one steal in these three games) on 35.7% shooting (pushed by his bad Seton Hall game), 0/1 from three and 90% FT. In losses: 15.5 PPG, 9 REB, 1.3 APG, 1.8BPG, .5SPG on 56.25% shooting (even with that Xavier game) 2/4 from three and 85.7% FT. So obviously take this with a grain of salt as when I looked back at these games I thought it was interesting how different his performances have been, granted in a small sample size. But, for some reason, Omer has been better when he loses the jump ball and it isn't really even close. It's been mentioned previously that it seems like Yurt often plays without fire and physical intensity. Maybe losing the tip sets him off right away. Anyone want to make a Yurt losing the tip/getting blocked montage to play for him during warmups?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 24, 2020 10:35:10 GMT -5
The ability of our fans to turn on our best players is really getting old. Last year, it was Govan, this year it's turning into Yurtseven. To the extent people expected Yurtseven to play this year and be a lotto or draft pick, I can see why they would be disappointed. And frankly, I thought he'd probably be better than he has been too.
All that being said, we are a team with essentially 7 active players (8 if you include Ighoefe), where nobody has been all that effective in Big East play. And, I think a very strong case can be made that Yurtseven has been the best offensive player in Big East play, simply because he's been fairly efficient, and nobody else has been.
Is Yurtseven holding back Wahab? I really don't think so. Wahab is playing a fair amount of minutes, and even if Yurtseven comes back next year, I expect Wahab would still play a fair amount of minutes. It's not like Wahab is nailed to the bench. And while I like a lot of what Wahab has done this year, he's still in need of development in a lot of ways. Pus, Wahab is fouling at a rate of 7.9 fouls every 40 minutes. So, unless he gets that under control, he really wouldn't be able to play all that much more anyway.
Now, IF the wheels fall off and we clearly won't make the tournament, and IF Ewing knows for sure he's not coming back next year, maybe it makes sense to play Wahab a bit more. But in situations where you want to try to win (and I think that's every game until we are definitely out of contention), you cannot just bench your best player or sideline him to allow others to develop.
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Post by rhw485 on Jan 24, 2020 11:22:07 GMT -5
The Athletic did a Top 100 Draft Board, no Yurtseven. Question was asked in the chat about him:
Q: Is there any NBA potential for Omer Yurtseven at Georgetown? Or is Europe more likely at this point? A:Yeah he was within the next 10. He’ll get a shot, he just doesn’t really do anything at Georgetown that is translatable to the next level because it’s all post stuff on offense
I'm trying not to overreact to one writer on one website...but man is that discouraging to think about. Yurt7 came to play for Ewing, with the explicit purpose of developing into an NBA player and get to the next level, and he's being utilized in a way that doesn't showcase the skills that NBA teams are going to draft for. He has shooting touch and hit 22 3s at NC State. The goal should've been show you can consistently make the 3, focus on being lean and mobile and prove you can defend someone at next level. If that part of the Ewing sales pitch is out the window, then I'm not even sure what we're talking about anymore.
Oh and one more for good measure...
Q: Has Udoka Azubuike’s improvement on defense this season gotten him any closer to being draftable? A:I think the bigger help for Doke is teams moving more towards playing soft coverages in pick and roll in the NBA and the prevalence of zone for some teams increasing. He’s arguably the most situational player in the draft. Some teams shouldn’t have him in their top 100, other teams I think can very easily make a case for drafting him depending on the scheme.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 24, 2020 19:33:04 GMT -5
Agree that Yurtseven needs to shoot more threes.
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Post by rhw485 on Jan 26, 2020 10:26:58 GMT -5
Agree that Yurtseven needs to shoot more threes. For me it's a bigger question...did he work on shooting threes during the year off? What is our development program that is designed to help players get to the next level? Derrickson did better than we all expected....after dropping what looked like 20 pounds the second he left campus. Suddenly he was a viable defender and we all knew he had an offensive game that could translate with shooting. I know that happens at other schools too but it was jarring to see.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 26, 2020 11:07:29 GMT -5
Agree that Yurtseven needs to shoot more threes. For me it's a bigger question...did he work on shooting threes during the year off? What is our development program that is designed to help players get to the next level? Derrickson did better than we all expected....after dropping what looked like 20 pounds the second he left campus. Suddenly he was a viable defender and we all knew he had an offensive game that could translate with shooting. I know that happens at other schools too but it was jarring to see. Same with Freeman and Josh Smith. We need a nutritionist and better strength & conditioning. I believe we made some recent moves in this direction. The kids need to buy in and commit as well. Also, kids tend to focus when school ends and all they have is basketball.
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 26, 2020 11:43:34 GMT -5
The kids need to buy in and commit as well.
That's the key. You can be naturally super-talented, but hard work beats talent many times. The other thing is that these athletes live, I believe, very regimented , highly structured lives. There are only so many hours in a day and lots of demands. When they depart from school, their time is their own and they can focus exclusively on getting in super-shapefor the next stage. A lot goes into succeeding and competing at the high level Gtown plays.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 26, 2020 13:53:17 GMT -5
For me it's a bigger question...did he work on shooting threes during the year off? What is our development program that is designed to help players get to the next level? Derrickson did better than we all expected....after dropping what looked like 20 pounds the second he left campus. Suddenly he was a viable defender and we all knew he had an offensive game that could translate with shooting. I know that happens at other schools too but it was jarring to see. Same with Freeman and Josh Smith. We need a nutritionist and better strength & conditioning. I believe we made some recent moves in this direction. The kids need to buy in and commit as well. Also, kids tend to focus when school ends and all they have is basketball. Kids spend 8 hours a day studying/homework etc Once they are out of school they can exercise and workout 24/7 to drop weight for the draft
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 28, 2020 10:39:37 GMT -5
Same with Freeman and Josh Smith. We need a nutritionist and better strength & conditioning. I believe we made some recent moves in this direction. The kids need to buy in and commit as well. Also, kids tend to focus when school ends and all they have is basketball. Kids spend 8 hours a day studying/homework etc Once they are out of school they can exercise and workout 24/7 to drop weight for the draft It has always surprised me that people focus on this so much. Of course, when kids leave school and focus 100% on basketball and trying to be drafted they're going to get into better shape. I don't think this is a Georgetown unique phenomena.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 28, 2020 11:28:03 GMT -5
8 hours a day studying and doing homework? I seriously doubt that's anywhere close to a normal day. If it is, GU is vastly different school now than it was in my day.
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Post by rhw485 on Jan 28, 2020 11:40:32 GMT -5
I'll take the blame for derailing us with a Derrickson discussion. I was trying to make a broader point about player development under Ewing to get players into the NBA. I even said the getting in shape thing happens at other schools, it was just so transformative for Derrickson it changed him into a more viable player.
Hoping Yurt7 has a positive performance tonight that allows us to change the topic on this thread
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Post by prhoya on Jan 28, 2020 11:40:36 GMT -5
8 hours a day studying and doing homework? I seriously doubt that's anywhere close to a normal day. If it is, GU is vastly different school now than it was in my day. Exactly! 2003, you cannot tell me that a student athlete with NBA/pro aspirations cannot keep a practice/workout/study regime that puts him in optimum shape every year and has to wait until after the last game of his career in March of his senior year to cram a workout routine to shed 15 to 20 pounds in March and April - it's not like they don't have school during this period - that gets him in the best shape for a NBA workout. That nonchalant attitude is the reason why there are no Hoyas in the NBA right now. It goes back to the nonchalant coach and laissez-faire administration.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 7, 2020 13:25:05 GMT -5
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Post by blueandgray on Feb 8, 2020 14:01:43 GMT -5
Guys....how bad did the injury look?
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Post by hoya19809 on Feb 8, 2020 14:17:07 GMT -5
Twisted Ankle
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Post by saxagael on Feb 8, 2020 14:44:14 GMT -5
Ewing in post game said it was a badly sprained ankle, but don't know how long he will be out. They will know more later, but at this point they are thankful he has a week to heal, but not sure if he will be ready by next Saturday's game.
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Post by saxagael on Feb 8, 2020 14:47:15 GMT -5
BTW, Patrick is not keeping with the usual Georgetown not saying a darned word about player's injuries usual method of operation. He needs to get it right (ha!).
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