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Post by the_way on Apr 17, 2018 10:15:51 GMT -5
When? LeBlanc will be a freshmen. Walker has played sparingly and so has Mourning. I was referring to the first two as seeing them play. We haven't seen Leblanc. We have seen glimpses of Walker and Mourning. We know Walker can rebound and so can Mourning, other parts of their game are less clear. The last couple games of the year Walker showed he was a solid rebounder. Mourning did too in his limited play. We don't have anybody who has solid playing time, so only going on small sets of what we have seen, but rebounding seems to be both of their strength. I included Leblanc as films snippets on him show solid rebounding capability against what seem to be good players with size and athleticism. We really won't know about Leblanc until November. Just saying, it is hard say what they are good at in such a limited capacity since they've been here. Walker is very raw. very raw. He needs a lot of development. Mourning played little if I recall during his entire career here. Hopefully, Ewing can get something out of him. We'll have to see.
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Post by saxagael on Apr 17, 2018 10:37:17 GMT -5
I was referring to the first two as seeing them play. We haven't seen Leblanc. We have seen glimpses of Walker and Mourning. We know Walker can rebound and so can Mourning, other parts of their game are less clear. The last couple games of the year Walker showed he was a solid rebounder. Mourning did too in his limited play. We don't have anybody who has solid playing time, so only going on small sets of what we have seen, but rebounding seems to be both of their strength. I included Leblanc as films snippets on him show solid rebounding capability against what seem to be good players with size and athleticism. We really won't know about Leblanc until November. Just saying, it is hard say what they are good at in such a limited capacity since they've been here. Walker is very raw. very raw. He needs a lot of development. Mourning played little if I recall during his entire career here. Hopefully, Ewing can get something out of him. We'll have to see. Yep, agree. Walker hasn't shown a lot (I was happy to see his lost of defense MO went away), but did show is an above the rim strong rebounder. The only thing that has stood out from Mourning is his rebounding, inside defense wasn't a strength. Really agree with Walker, really no telling what someone can actually do until playing with and against big boys.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 18, 2018 19:35:14 GMT -5
If both Jessie and Marcus both jump, Leblanc is getting big minutes. Might get them either way. Josh is closer to a 2 than a 4. Anyone expecting him to be a post player is in for a rude awakeneing. He is a good defender and rebounder though. He's going to be our best rim defender and likely will end up playing a ton of 4 for us. I doubt he sees a minute at the 2. I don't expect much out of him on offense at all, except maybe some offensive rebounding. But his size, athleticism and team need means he's likely going to play 3/4 and maybe even some undersized 5, based on team need.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 18, 2018 21:17:06 GMT -5
Josh is closer to a 2 than a 4. Anyone expecting him to be a post player is in for a rude awakeneing. He is a good defender and rebounder though. He's going to be our best rim defender and likely will end up playing a ton of 4 for us. I doubt he sees a minute at the 2. I don't expect much out of him on offense at all, except maybe some offensive rebounding. But his size, athleticism and team need means he's likely going to play 3/4 and maybe even some undersized 5, based on team need. AAU stats 13pts 8rebs 2.6blks 61% FG took 7 threes in 17 games. Yep classic 2 game, clearly.
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Post by hoyainla on Apr 18, 2018 22:38:40 GMT -5
He's going to be our best rim defender and likely will end up playing a ton of 4 for us. I doubt he sees a minute at the 2. I don't expect much out of him on offense at all, except maybe some offensive rebounding. But his size, athleticism and team need means he's likely going to play 3/4 and maybe even some undersized 5, based on team need. AAU stats 13pts 8rebs 2.6blks 61% FG took 7 threes in 17 games. Yep classic 2 game, clearly. How many of his games or highlights have you watched where he's been in the post? Darrell Owens who is the reason he's coming here and see him more than anyone on here said he's a wing yet everyone on here thinks he is a post player. He's not a shooter but he plays on the perimeter and drives to the bucket. He's 6'5. I really hope he transforms his game and grows 3 inches and can play the 4 because we really need it. That said I'm sick of seeing guys playing in the wrong spot because of need and then people complain that they aren't good.
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 18, 2018 22:57:35 GMT -5
He's going to be our best rim defender and likely will end up playing a ton of 4 for us. I doubt he sees a minute at the 2. I don't expect much out of him on offense at all, except maybe some offensive rebounding. But his size, athleticism and team need means he's likely going to play 3/4 and maybe even some undersized 5, based on team need. AAU stats 13pts 8rebs 2.6blks 61% FG took 7 threes in 17 games. Yep classic 2 game, clearly. Maybe even backup point guard!
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 19, 2018 5:29:52 GMT -5
AAU stats 13pts 8rebs 2.6blks 61% FG took 7 threes in 17 games. Yep classic 2 game, clearly. How many of his games or highlights have you watched where he's been in the post? Darrell Owens who is the reason he's coming here and see him more than anyone on here said he's a wing yet everyone on here thinks he is a post player. He's not a shooter but he plays on the perimeter and drives to the bucket. He's 6'5. I really hope he transforms his game and grows 3 inches and can play the 4 because we really need it. That said I'm sick of seeing guys playing in the wrong spot because of need and then people complain that they aren't good. My issue is a PF is not primarily a low post player in 2018. He can defend PFs, operate on the wing and high post, block shots, and rebound. The argument that he doesn't play in the low post and thus not a 4 is "he can't play PF because he's not a center." I don't disagree with his game, I disagree with it meaning he's "more of a 2".
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Post by vv83 on Apr 19, 2018 7:13:46 GMT -5
If Govan leaves, LeBlanc may end up playing a lot of 5. He is right on point as a modern 5 defensively - mobile enough to defend on the perimeter, strong shot blocker/rebounder. Offensively, he could be a good pick/roll rim runner. He is also a good passer - if teams trap the guard on the P/R, LeBlanc can catch a pass at the foul line off the short role, and then pass into good shots in the resulting 4 on 3 situation. This is classic NBA style small-ball. And we might not have any better choices for the 5 if Govan leaves.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 19, 2018 10:01:55 GMT -5
I really think the "playing out of position" idea is probably over emphasized. I agree it can certainly make a difference. For example, when DSR was forced to play point his senior season, he struggled more than the previous season, BUT he was still a really good player.
Playing out of position might cause a player to play less-optimally or less efficiently, which ideally you want to avoid, but playing out of position is not going to transform a great player into a poor one. There are many examples of where players play "out of position" yet excel. In his time here, Otto Porter played plenty at PF/4, even though that's not his natural position, and he performed fine. Derrickson was small for a 5, yet our lineups with him at the 5 were among our best. Back in the Freeman/Wright/Clark era, Clark often essentially was in the SF role even though he was a guard, and he was a very good player for us regardless.
In contrast, Mikael Hopkins clearly played out of his natural position, but playing him as a 4 instead of a 5 would not have transformed him from someone who was inefficient, had trouble finishing, and had no shooting ability outside the paint into a super-efficient player. In fact, on the defense end, even though Hopkins was arguably undersized for center, he actually was pretty effective, even when against some bigger players.
Obviously, at the extremes position matters. Old-style 5's aren't all that flexible - you're not going to play Bradley Hayes anywhere but the 5. But that's not what we are talking about, and those type of players aren't that valuable in the modern game unless they are excellent. In the modern game, there's a lot of flexibility among positions, especially at the collegiate level where players are smaller across the board. Unless someone is forced into a position significantly different than what they can do, it's only going to matter at the margins.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 19, 2018 10:26:52 GMT -5
AAU stats 13pts 8rebs 2.6blks 61% FG took 7 threes in 17 games. Yep classic 2 game, clearly. How many of his games or highlights have you watched where he's been in the post? Darrell Owens who is the reason he's coming here and see him more than anyone on here said he's a wing yet everyone on here thinks he is a post player. He's not a shooter but he plays on the perimeter and drives to the bucket. He's 6'5. I really hope he transforms his game and grows 3 inches and can play the 4 because we really need it. That said I'm sick of seeing guys playing in the wrong spot because of need and then people complain that they aren't good. Where did I or anyone else say he was going to be a post player on offense? Anyone who has watched him knows that he doesn't have a strong half court offensive game in general, but what is developing is more perimeter focused. But that doesn't preclude him defending and being defended by larger players. He's a perimeter 3/4 combo right now, stylistically, who has the athleticism and size to play larger inside finishing and on the offensive boards. No, he's not a post player, but playing PF doesn't require that. When you match up Leblanc and this team, you start to see that he's likely going to play some 3, a lot of 4 and maybe even guard some smaller 5s. Leblanc's strongest asset is likely to be his defense, shotblocking and rebounding as a freshman -- so you don't want him too far from being able to provide help defense at the rim. Govan is your center, and Pickett's best spot is small forward. Leblanc's weakest competition for minutes is at PF, where he's competing against fellow freshmen (Carter) or another 3 (Kaleb). I also don't think it hurts him. He's going to be playing against bigger and slower guys -- perfect for a player who's offense is perimeter based. It's going to be a lot easier to Leblanc to drive past a PF than a 2 guard. And his athleticism and length will help him compensate at the defensive end. It will actualy help his development, since he's absolutely not ready to be a college 2 at this point -- his handle and his shot are nowhere near there.
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Post by saxagael on Apr 19, 2018 10:55:37 GMT -5
AAU stats 13pts 8rebs 2.6blks 61% FG took 7 threes in 17 games. Yep classic 2 game, clearly. How many of his games or highlights have you watched where he's been in the post? Darrell Owens who is the reason he's coming here and see him more than anyone on here said he's a wing yet everyone on here thinks he is a post player. He's not a shooter but he plays on the perimeter and drives to the bucket. He's 6'5. I really hope he transforms his game and grows 3 inches and can play the 4 because we really need it. That said I'm sick of seeing guys playing in the wrong spot because of need and then people complain that they aren't good. Wait, clarification needed. Leblanc is only 6'5" not 6'7" (also have seen him listed in articles at 6'8", but have been going with the player profiles)? I know measurements can really be off at times, but 6'5" and 6'7" is a pretty good difference, particularly for upside and role. Trawick started Georgetown at 6'5" and grew and inch while there, but it wasn't updated until his G-League stats.
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Post by the_way on Apr 19, 2018 11:10:30 GMT -5
If Govan leaves, LeBlanc may end up playing a lot of 5. He is right on point as a modern 5 defensively - mobile enough to defend on the perimeter, strong shot blocker/rebounder. Offensively, he could be a good pick/roll rim runner. He is also a good passer - if teams trap the guard on the P/R, LeBlanc can catch a pass at the foul line off the short role, and then pass into good shots in the resulting 4 on 3 situation. This is classic NBA style small-ball. And we might not have any better choices for the 5 if Govan leaves. The legend of Leblanc continues to grow on hoyatalk. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) What is real scoop on him? Some say he is 6'8, some say he is 6'6". Some say he can play PF, some say he is more of sF on the perimeter type guy.Now he can play C? Is he the next Wingate, Boubacar or Michael Graham? lol.
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Post by saxagael on Apr 19, 2018 11:36:26 GMT -5
If Govan leaves, LeBlanc may end up playing a lot of 5. He is right on point as a modern 5 defensively - mobile enough to defend on the perimeter, strong shot blocker/rebounder. Offensively, he could be a good pick/roll rim runner. He is also a good passer - if teams trap the guard on the P/R, LeBlanc can catch a pass at the foul line off the short role, and then pass into good shots in the resulting 4 on 3 situation. This is classic NBA style small-ball. And we might not have any better choices for the 5 if Govan leaves. The legend of Leblanc continues to grow on hoyatalk. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) What is real scoop on him? Some say he is 6'8, some say he is 6'6". Some say he can play PF, some say he is more of sF on the perimeter type guy.Now he can play C? Is he the next Wingate, Boubacar or Michael Graham? lol. The legacy of Georgetown being a big man school is still strong on this board. Anybody from Mac to Leblanc could be the next big man and beast at center. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by the_way on Apr 19, 2018 11:42:48 GMT -5
The legend of Leblanc continues to grow on hoyatalk. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) What is real scoop on him? Some say he is 6'8, some say he is 6'6". Some say he can play PF, some say he is more of sF on the perimeter type guy.Now he can play C? Is he the next Wingate, Boubacar or Michael Graham? lol. The legacy of Georgetown being a big man school is still strong on this board. Anybody from Mac to Leblanc could be the next big man and beast at center. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) We have to thank the Honorable Jay Wright ("all rise!") for that. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by prhoya on Apr 19, 2018 13:33:16 GMT -5
How many of his games or highlights have you watched where he's been in the post? Darrell Owens who is the reason he's coming here and see him more than anyone on here said he's a wing yet everyone on here thinks he is a post player. He's not a shooter but he plays on the perimeter and drives to the bucket. He's 6'5. I really hope he transforms his game and grows 3 inches and can play the 4 because we really need it. That said I'm sick of seeing guys playing in the wrong spot because of need and then people complain that they aren't good. Wait, clarification needed. Leblanc is only 6'5" not 6'7" (also have seen him listed in articles at 6'8", but have been going with the player profiles)? I know measurements can really be off at times, but 6'5" and 6'7" is a pretty good difference, particularly for upside and role. Trawick started Georgetown at 6'5" and grew and inch while there, but it wasn't updated until his G-League stats. 6’7”: www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/216632/josh-leblanc
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Post by saxagael on Apr 19, 2018 13:41:52 GMT -5
Wait, clarification needed. Leblanc is only 6'5" not 6'7" (also have seen him listed in articles at 6'8", but have been going with the player profiles)? I know measurements can really be off at times, but 6'5" and 6'7" is a pretty good difference, particularly for upside and role. Trawick started Georgetown at 6'5" and grew and inch while there, but it wasn't updated until his G-League stats. 6’7”: www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/216632/josh-leblancYes (thanks), that is what the recorded measurement is there, but those can be off. I think hoyainla has seen him play and my know actual height, which may well be 6'7" or could be 6'5" as he stated. I think Georgetown reports his height at 6'7" in something I read a while back, so I'm really curious about the 6'5".
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 19, 2018 14:11:19 GMT -5
I haven’t seen 6’5” anywhere for Leblanc anywhere except on Hoyatalk which looked to be an error.
He didn’t look 6’5” when I watched him play in the State Championship Final. He looked a bit bigger.
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Post by the_way on Apr 19, 2018 14:33:23 GMT -5
Listed heights are usually more generous than they are accurate.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 19, 2018 14:37:37 GMT -5
Hypothetically speaking, assuming we lose both Marcus and Jessie, what the heck are we going to do on post defense, shot blocking and rebounding? My guess is that our top guys in terms of minutes played would be Pickett, Blair, Johnson, Akinjo, Mosley and McClung. Of course if Govan is back we would be fine, but if not, we’ve got some serious issues next year. I really wish we would go pack line like Loyola Chicago. If you have no rim protector pack line will clog the middle. CAn you ask coach Ewing about pack line
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 19, 2018 14:39:25 GMT -5
Hypothetically speaking, assuming we lose both Marcus and Jessie, what the heck are we going to do on post defense, shot blocking and rebounding? My guess is that our top guys in terms of minutes played would be Pickett, Blair, Johnson, Akinjo, Mosley and McClung. Of course if Govan is back we would be fine, but if not, we’ve got some serious issues next year. I really wish we would go pack line like Loyola Chicago. If you have no rim protector pack line will clog the middle. CAn you ask coach Ewing about pack line Have you watched Villanova play?
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