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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 10, 2018 19:01:07 GMT -5
I would venture to say that he's leaving right when all the bribery scandals are hitting which likely means the one and done will be gone this year or next. That will open the floodgates for high school players to go pro in the NBA/D league/Overseas. Once that happens it can only lower his draft/free agency status. Don't think the NBA and players' union are coming together on the issue that quickly.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 10, 2018 19:03:28 GMT -5
I would venture to say that he's leaving right when all the bribery scandals are hitting which likely means the one and done will be gone this year or next. That will open the floodgates for high school players to go pro in the NBA/D league/Overseas. Once that happens it can only lower his draft/free agency status. Don't think the NBA and players' union are coming together on the issue that quickly. I was thinking more along the line of next years draft. Had Marcus stayed one more year he would be with the same crop of high schoolers. by leaving this year he avoids the added competition at all levels of pro basketball.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 10, 2018 20:21:45 GMT -5
I know you were talking about next year - I don't think the one and done will be gone next draft either. It will take extensive give and take from all involved, if it happens it will be at least 2-3 years down the road.
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Post by the_way on Apr 10, 2018 21:14:10 GMT -5
Who defends in the NBA these days?
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Post by the_way on Apr 10, 2018 21:23:38 GMT -5
Maybe Marcus feels staying too long will hurt his stock. Who knows?
Marcus has his reasons and wish him the best at the next level.
We just lost our best player.
Going forward, this isn't good for the Hoyas next year.
Backcourt depth is thin,and now our frontcourt depth with the bigs has taken an extreme hit with Marcus' departure.
Right now, the only proven player we have next year is Govan. Everything else is projections, what ifs,potentials, and hope.
Ewing might have an even bigger challenge next year than he had this year. Hopefully, Ewing lands additional recruits that can contribute immediately with this incoming recruiting class.
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Post by saxagael on Apr 10, 2018 21:39:14 GMT -5
One of the things that has impressed me is how many Hoya players that leave early finish their degree from Georgetown over time. That is seriously impressive to me. The bond is not only there for basketball, but for the degree. Other than Jeff Green, who? Summers has been back. There was one other, but blanking.
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Post by saxagael on Apr 10, 2018 21:42:34 GMT -5
Other than Jeff Green, who? Summers has been back. There was one other, but blanking. The other was Monroe. But, Porter has mentioned working on getting his degree as well in an interview, but he has a long was to go to do that.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 10, 2018 23:35:37 GMT -5
Well, it was a good thing I had procrastinated writing about the Hoyas’ prospects for next season. I was going to start it off with the calculations I came up with about how the Hoyas would be returning 92% of its scoring and 92% of its rebounding, something that no other Big East team would be able to say. Now the Hoyas won’t be able to say it either.
I had posted over a stretch of time that if the Govan and Derrickson returned to school, as expected, for next season the Hoyas would benefit from the scoring continuity that the far more successful Big East teams have benefitted from ever since the new conference was formed. Scoring continuity meant a team returning its two leading scorers or even its top three. Georgetown looked as if it would be returning its two for the first time since Green and Hibbert; in fact all indications suggested it’s top six scorers from this season would be around for the following year. And now just like that such an opportunity has been erased and Georgetown once again will fall short of having that scoring continuity advantage that other Big East teams have used to their advantage.
The question going forward is whether Georgetown can attain the type of cultural climate that would lead to guys like Derrickson sticking it out all the way in the future. For a conference that has yet to bring in projected one-and-done recruits, the key to BE teams’ successes is the stability form year-to-year of its key core players with eligibility left who are not potential priority selections of NBA GMs. Its one thing to lose underclassmen or even a junior who are considered lottery picks, or a lock to be drafted in the first round or possibly very early second. It is quite another to lose guys early whose chances of making an NBA team looks slim in the year they put their names in the draft. LJ Peak probably would have been better off staying his senior season but he at least had a child to worry about; plus he looked to have that athleticism and defensive capabilities that the NBA craves. Derrickson has none of these factors in his favor or disfavor. He could be good enough to possibly make an NBA team one day but as of right now, especially in what is considered to be a loaded NBA draft, he doesn’t appear to have a shot at having his name called on draft night. Is one more year to try to improve your attractiveness to the NBA all that difficult? Are the kids, even the ones not showing up in mock drafts, that impatient that they would rather take the risk rather than returning for another year in school to simultaneously continue their improvement on court and get their college degrees in the process?
Seton Hall had all four of its key seniors return to school for their final year. Is the climate better at Seton Hall than it is at Georgetown? Certainly its better at Villanova. Jason Hart and Kris Jenkins returned to school even after winning the Big East championship and the National Championship. They accomplished everything and had nothing left to prove but came back for their final season anyway. Derrickson hasn’t even been part of a winning team in conference play for all of his three seasons and he bolts a year short of graduating. Maybe the losing was part of the issue and he wasn’t certain how much of it could be turned around next season. Even if that is the case you would think he would simply test the waters, not hire an agent and get an honest assessment. But he is hiring an agent which tells me he wants out regardless. I wish him well and all but I am surprised at the suddenness, from my perspective, of this decision. Players often seem to make such choices after spending time with family and friends during spring break. Then again maybe the decision isn’t so sudden as it seems. Hopefully Govan hasn’t caught this same spring fever.
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Post by HarbinHoya on Apr 11, 2018 7:20:19 GMT -5
Well, it was a good thing I had procrastinated writing about the Hoyas’ prospects for next season. I was going to start it off with the calculations I came up with about how the Hoyas would be returning 92% of its scoring and 92% of its rebounding, something that no other Big East team would be able to say. Now the Hoyas won’t be able to say it either. I had posted over a stretch of time that if the Govan and Derrickson returned to school, as expected, for next season the Hoyas would benefit from the scoring continuity that the far more successful Big East teams have benefitted from ever since the new conference was formed. Scoring continuity meant a team returning its two leading scorers or even its top three. Georgetown looked as if it would be returning its two for the first time since Green and Hibbert; in fact all indications suggested it’s top six scorers from this season would be around for the following year. And now just like that such an opportunity has been erased and Georgetown once again will fall short of having that scoring continuity advantage that other Big East teams have used to their advantage. The question going forward is whether Georgetown can attain the type of cultural climate that would lead to guys like Derrickson sticking it out all the way in the future. For a conference that has yet to bring in projected one-and-done recruits, the key to BE teams’ successes is the stability form year-to-year of its key core players with eligibility left who are not potential priority selections of NBA GMs. Its one thing to lose underclassmen or even a junior who are considered lottery picks, or a lock to be drafted in the first round or possibly very early second. It is quite another to lose guys early whose chances of making an NBA team looks slim in the year they put their names in the draft. LJ Peak probably would have been better off staying his senior season but he at least had a child to worry about; plus he looked to have that athleticism and defensive capabilities that the NBA craves. Derrickson has none of these factors in his favor or disfavor. He could be good enough to possibly make an NBA team one day but as of right now, especially in what is considered to be a loaded NBA draft, he doesn’t appear to have a shot at having his name called on draft night. Is one more year to try to improve your attractiveness to the NBA all that difficult? Are the kids, even the ones not showing up in mock drafts, that impatient that they would rather take the risk rather than returning for another year in school to simultaneously continue their improvement on court and get their college degrees in the process? Seton Hall had all four of its key seniors return to school for their final year. Is the climate better at Seton Hall than it is at Georgetown? Certainly its better at Villanova. Jason Hart and Kris Jenkins returned to school even after winning the Big East championship and the National Championship. They accomplished everything and had nothing left to prove but came back for their final season anyway. Derrickson hasn’t even been part of a winning team in conference play for all of his three seasons and he bolts a year short of graduating. Maybe the losing was part of the issue and he wasn’t certain how much of it could be turned around next season. Even if that is the case you would think he would simply test the waters, not hire an agent and get an honest assessment. But he is hiring an agent which tells me he wants out regardless. I wish him well and all but I am surprised at the suddenness, from my perspective, of this decision. Players often seem to make such choices after spending time with family and friends during spring break. Then again maybe the decision isn’t so sudden as it seems. Hopefully Govan hasn’t caught this same spring fever. Great post. Having a hard time understanding MD thinking here. This feels like so many years now of the same thing. It hurts especially because we have new coach, new system, reason for optimism. Something is off at Gtown and it feels like it has to be personal. Does anyone else find it odd that there have been no tweets by other players like congrats to MD or something? There also has been no statement by the program? Maybe they always wait, I don’t remember, it just seems like not a lot of love between players and that is part of the issue. Hopefully this will be fresh start but hard to think we are better than last year with this loss.
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Post by bostonfan on Apr 11, 2018 8:14:04 GMT -5
Well, it was a good thing I had procrastinated writing about the Hoyas’ prospects for next season. I was going to start it off with the calculations I came up with about how the Hoyas would be returning 92% of its scoring and 92% of its rebounding, something that no other Big East team would be able to say. Now the Hoyas won’t be able to say it either. I had posted over a stretch of time that if the Govan and Derrickson returned to school, as expected, for next season the Hoyas would benefit from the scoring continuity that the far more successful Big East teams have benefitted from ever since the new conference was formed. Scoring continuity meant a team returning its two leading scorers or even its top three. Georgetown looked as if it would be returning its two for the first time since Green and Hibbert; in fact all indications suggested it’s top six scorers from this season would be around for the following year. And now just like that such an opportunity has been erased and Georgetown once again will fall short of having that scoring continuity advantage that other Big East teams have used to their advantage. The question going forward is whether Georgetown can attain the type of cultural climate that would lead to guys like Derrickson sticking it out all the way in the future. For a conference that has yet to bring in projected one-and-done recruits, the key to BE teams’ successes is the stability form year-to-year of its key core players with eligibility left who are not potential priority selections of NBA GMs. Its one thing to lose underclassmen or even a junior who are considered lottery picks, or a lock to be drafted in the first round or possibly very early second. It is quite another to lose guys early whose chances of making an NBA team looks slim in the year they put their names in the draft. LJ Peak probably would have been better off staying his senior season but he at least had a child to worry about; plus he looked to have that athleticism and defensive capabilities that the NBA craves. Derrickson has none of these factors in his favor or disfavor. He could be good enough to possibly make an NBA team one day but as of right now, especially in what is considered to be a loaded NBA draft, he doesn’t appear to have a shot at having his name called on draft night. Is one more year to try to improve your attractiveness to the NBA all that difficult? Are the kids, even the ones not showing up in mock drafts, that impatient that they would rather take the risk rather than returning for another year in school to simultaneously continue their improvement on court and get their college degrees in the process? Seton Hall had all four of its key seniors return to school for their final year. Is the climate better at Seton Hall than it is at Georgetown? Certainly its better at Villanova. Jason Hart and Kris Jenkins returned to school even after winning the Big East championship and the National Championship. They accomplished everything and had nothing left to prove but came back for their final season anyway. Derrickson hasn’t even been part of a winning team in conference play for all of his three seasons and he bolts a year short of graduating. Maybe the losing was part of the issue and he wasn’t certain how much of it could be turned around next season. Even if that is the case you would think he would simply test the waters, not hire an agent and get an honest assessment. But he is hiring an agent which tells me he wants out regardless. I wish him well and all but I am surprised at the suddenness, from my perspective, of this decision. Players often seem to make such choices after spending time with family and friends during spring break. Then again maybe the decision isn’t so sudden as it seems. Hopefully Govan hasn’t caught this same spring fever. Great post. Having a hard time understanding MD thinking here. This feels like so many years now of the same thing. It hurts especially because we have new coach, new system, reason for optimism. Something is off at Gtown and it feels like it has to be personal. Does anyone else find it odd that there have been no tweets by other players like congrats to MD or something? There also has been no statement by the program? Maybe they always wait, I don’t remember, it just seems like not a lot of love between players and that is part of the issue. Hopefully this will be fresh start but hard to think we are better than last year with this loss. The one thing I will be interested in seeing is a comment from Coach Ewing about Marcus leaving early. You often see a comment from a coach wishing them well and thanking them for the hard work they put in for the program. Maybe they are still discussing his decision and if he should go ahead and hire an agent at this point. I always felt that most of the coaches were just issuing positive statements for strictly PR reasons, because in most cases these players leaving early does not help the competitiveness of the program but they need to show future recruits they support their players pursuing their goals of playing professionally.
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Post by the_way on Apr 11, 2018 8:20:39 GMT -5
Well, it was a good thing I had procrastinated writing about the Hoyas’ prospects for next season. I was going to start it off with the calculations I came up with about how the Hoyas would be returning 92% of its scoring and 92% of its rebounding, something that no other Big East team would be able to say. Now the Hoyas won’t be able to say it either. I had posted over a stretch of time that if the Govan and Derrickson returned to school, as expected, for next season the Hoyas would benefit from the scoring continuity that the far more successful Big East teams have benefitted from ever since the new conference was formed. Scoring continuity meant a team returning its two leading scorers or even its top three. Georgetown looked as if it would be returning its two for the first time since Green and Hibbert; in fact all indications suggested it’s top six scorers from this season would be around for the following year. And now just like that such an opportunity has been erased and Georgetown once again will fall short of having that scoring continuity advantage that other Big East teams have used to their advantage. The question going forward is whether Georgetown can attain the type of cultural climate that would lead to guys like Derrickson sticking it out all the way in the future. For a conference that has yet to bring in projected one-and-done recruits, the key to BE teams’ successes is the stability form year-to-year of its key core players with eligibility left who are not potential priority selections of NBA GMs. Its one thing to lose underclassmen or even a junior who are considered lottery picks, or a lock to be drafted in the first round or possibly very early second. It is quite another to lose guys early whose chances of making an NBA team looks slim in the year they put their names in the draft. LJ Peak probably would have been better off staying his senior season but he at least had a child to worry about; plus he looked to have that athleticism and defensive capabilities that the NBA craves. Derrickson has none of these factors in his favor or disfavor. He could be good enough to possibly make an NBA team one day but as of right now, especially in what is considered to be a loaded NBA draft, he doesn’t appear to have a shot at having his name called on draft night. Is one more year to try to improve your attractiveness to the NBA all that difficult? Are the kids, even the ones not showing up in mock drafts, that impatient that they would rather take the risk rather than returning for another year in school to simultaneously continue their improvement on court and get their college degrees in the process? Seton Hall had all four of its key seniors return to school for their final year. Is the climate better at Seton Hall than it is at Georgetown? Certainly its better at Villanova. Jason Hart and Kris Jenkins returned to school even after winning the Big East championship and the National Championship. They accomplished everything and had nothing left to prove but came back for their final season anyway. Derrickson hasn’t even been part of a winning team in conference play for all of his three seasons and he bolts a year short of graduating. Maybe the losing was part of the issue and he wasn’t certain how much of it could be turned around next season. Even if that is the case you would think he would simply test the waters, not hire an agent and get an honest assessment. But he is hiring an agent which tells me he wants out regardless. I wish him well and all but I am surprised at the suddenness, from my perspective, of this decision. Players often seem to make such choices after spending time with family and friends during spring break. Then again maybe the decision isn’t so sudden as it seems. Hopefully Govan hasn’t caught this same spring fever. Great post. Having a hard time understanding MD thinking here. This feels like so many years now of the same thing. It hurts especially because we have new coach, new system, reason for optimism. Something is off at Gtown and it feels like it has to be personal. Does anyone else find it odd that there have been no tweets by other players like congrats to MD or something? There also has been no statement by the program? Maybe they always wait, I don’t remember, it just seems like not a lot of love between players and that is part of the issue. Hopefully this will be fresh start but hard to think we are better than last year with this loss. Not sure if it is really that serious. Peak had a family to support, I believe. There was not guarantee with how things would turn out with Ewing. Peak came to play for III. Derrickson was also recruited by III, not Ewing. He inherited Ewing so to speak. Maybe they didn't see eye to eye, maybe they did. Remember, Derrickson has had a different experience here than Govan. Govan has worked his way up since freshmen year. Derrickson was up and down for most of his career, and almost forgotten until this year. Maybe he just wanted to part ways. No beef, but just a new start maybe. Plus, how much can he improve his stock? He is a tweener. It is hard for tweeners to make it, unless you are a special type of player (Barkley, Draymond). In that regard, Govan might have higher upside with his height in addition to his ability to hit the outside shot.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 11, 2018 9:11:20 GMT -5
Are we underestimating MD's chance to make the NBA at some point? I acknowledge he won't get drafted and it's unlikely he makes it, but we may still be underestimating his chances. There are 3 things I see working for him: 1) Elite shooter: Argue this however you want, but the numbers don't lie. 46% on 3s and 3rd best in the country from NBA range. That's elite. 2) 6'7" with a 7'1" wingspan, 250 lbs: He's a bit short, but that wingspan is very much NBA level and makes up for the height. He has a Draymond Green type build. Admittedly he does not have Green's lateral quickness, handles, or vision, but the body type is not atypical for the NBA nowadays. He has the strength and length to guard 4s down low. If he can get smarter in how to compensate for lack of speed/quickness on the perimeter, could he be passable on defense? With his shooting, could that be enough to make the end of someone's bench? 3) Improvement rate: From his conditioning to his shooting to his rebounding to his low-post game, MD has dramatically improved many facets of his game since he arrived on campus. If he keeps that up, in a couple years, could he seize an opportunity to be an end of bench shooter for some team with a hot summer league or preseason performance? If you are an elite athlete or have 1 elite skill, they say you have a shot at the NBA. MD is the type of shooter at his size that should entice someone to give him a summer league shot at some point. He seems like the type of guy that Popovich would find a handful of minutes to try to bury some 3s (ala Matt Bonner) off the bench. Am I giving him too much credit? Yes. Green was out of shape in college; MD is not. That's a credit to MD, but it also means there's not likely an NBA defender in there anywhere. Green, even in college, was one of the smartest players out there. MD isn't low basketball iq, but he's not a winner on the level of Green. I do not think he can defend anyone in the NBA. While the shooting was nice, it's not enough. Of course, I could be wrong.
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Post by seaweed on Apr 11, 2018 9:46:54 GMT -5
This played out in one of two ways - he consulted with Coach and his slew of savvy advisers and has good reason to believe he can get drafted or at least a premium overseas spot. Alternatively, he went rogue and decided on his own to stop going to school and try his luck. We will only learn more when he or someone with inside information speaks up, like a comment from Coach which we would all love to hear. Maybe we don't learn anything till draft day. I am probably the only guy on here who thinks he can be a decent pro prospect. With the improvements we have seen and a strong frame, 7'1" reach and as smooth an outside shot as you can hope for, you are looking at a guy who doubled his points and rebound totals this year, shot more than 46% from three and, contrary to everyone here who wants to throw him under the bus, is a significantly improved defender who has improved his lateral speed, gets good position and is not easy to move off the spot. his game is frankly better suited to the pros than it was to college - less emphasis on D and more on that smooth stroke. There are not many better pure shooters at 6'7" 250, not in the league or elsewhere. Heck, even Draymond Green is smaller and not as effective from behind the arc (30%). That is the ceiling for Doc and the basement is shoveling sh!t in obscurity. Time will tell.
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Post by saxagael on Apr 11, 2018 10:04:37 GMT -5
Given how Derrickson seemed to grow a ton under Patrick and his continual stating he was planning on returning during next year during the season, it doesn’t seem like this was in the plans. I don’t know what the academic side of things was like, but it doesn’t seem like that was an issue (given conversations at camps and Kenner). He has enough good people around him (although it may only take on nut to keep pressing crazy ideas to bump someone into a not so good decision) to know this would likely not be a good draft to enter , if the NBA is his target. That leave financial needs are a pressure, which happens far too often (nearly college player I know has a story of a teammate that really struggled and had family struggling, with many of the struggling players jumping for anything. I am hoping it isn’t the last one as that is tough, if it isn’t and he hasn’t sighed with an agent he could return.
It also may be his knee and thinking if I mess it up I may not be able to go pro. The jammed his knee twice, same one he messed up stepping on the ball at full tilt in Kenner. Really not sure what his thinking is.
On the NBA side there is one team that picks up players similar to Derrickson, the Celtics. This year Yabusele and Ojele, who are not great athletes but big, can rebound, but also shoot well from 3 range. They are not all stars and may never be, but they have roles and are used a fair amount.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 11, 2018 10:12:09 GMT -5
I have no idea if Derrickson's future NBA potential. His 6'7" height is being overstated. His reach 7'1" will be more important to the Association than his height. There are similar style or size players in the NBA who have long careers. He is a very good 3 point shooter and floor spacer in a league that is 3 point crazy and doesn't emphasize athletic Bigs like they used to. He's also a physical and skilled scorer in the post and a okay shot blocker. Would another great year in college push his stock up going into a weak 19 draft help? Absolutely! Will he be playing most of next year in the G League? Probably... But to say he has no chance to ever play in the NBA is just ridiculous...
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Post by the_way on Apr 11, 2018 10:41:29 GMT -5
Is his reach really 7'1"? Never really noticed it.
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Post by hoyacane11 on Apr 11, 2018 10:52:33 GMT -5
I pray he doesn't go through with hiring an agent. This really sucks for us, fellas. Best of luck to him if he follows through.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 11, 2018 10:53:04 GMT -5
I pray he doesn't go through with hiring an agent. This really sucks for us, fellas. Best of luck to him if he follows through. Me too. I am hoping there's a change of heart like DSR, but that's a real rarity. But, it would be great if it happened.
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Post by the_way on Apr 11, 2018 10:59:15 GMT -5
I pray he doesn't go through with hiring an agent. This really sucks for us, fellas. Best of luck to him if he follows through. Me too. I am hoping there's a change of heart like DSR, but that's a real rarity. But, it would be great if it happened. We are all hoping for this. Hopefully, he doesn't hire an agent before at least receiving his evaluation.
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Post by hoyacane11 on Apr 11, 2018 11:08:50 GMT -5
I pray he doesn't go through with hiring an agent. This really sucks for us, fellas. Best of luck to him if he follows through. Me too. I am hoping there's a change of heart like DSR, but that's a real rarity. But, it would be great if it happened. Yes indeed. If he did leave though, if we landed Okinjo and the NCST transfer that would fill the offensive void MD left.
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