BigmanU
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Post by BigmanU on Apr 9, 2018 12:09:37 GMT -5
Don't like it, but good luck Marcus!
You worked your butt off wearing a Hoya uniform.
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on Apr 9, 2018 12:14:16 GMT -5
This a big assumption that Yurtseven doesn’t go pro AND we land him AND he can play immediately. Let’s not sugarcoat this - its a big hit for next year’s team. I would call it an educated guess... Ok. When I see things unfold that way I will then look at it as potentially a positive development. Until then we are looking at a team that has lost 2/5 of it’s starting roster, includung arguably it’s best player. If we land Akinjo and Yurtseven my outlook will be rosier. With our roster today, don’t see how we are any better than last year. To me additions of LeBlanc and Mac are offset by losing a rising senior in Doc.
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McBricks
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Post by McBricks on Apr 9, 2018 12:25:21 GMT -5
So is this where college hoops stands these days? Leave early to play overseas? On average, how much money does a middle of the pack player get paid to play overseas?
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smokeyjack
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Post by smokeyjack on Apr 9, 2018 12:26:00 GMT -5
Guess it was too much to ask to be GU happy for three straight days.
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BigmanU
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Post by BigmanU on Apr 9, 2018 12:29:11 GMT -5
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 9, 2018 12:31:13 GMT -5
Plus, the foreign earned income exclusion would likely make his salary tax free. If you are a U.S. citizen or a resident alien of the United States and you live abroad, you are taxed on your worldwide income. However, you may qualify to exclude from income up to an amount of your foreign earnings that is adjusted annually for inflation ($92,900 for 2011, $95,100 for 2012, $97,600 for 2013, $99,200 for 2014 and $100,800 for 2015). In addition, you can exclude or deduct certain foreign housing amounts. www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/foreign-earned-income-exclusion
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Post by 72hoya on Apr 9, 2018 12:34:37 GMT -5
Ok standard caveat that I don’t know what his family or financial issues are, but this is a very poor decision. The kid will not get drafted and as has been pointed out his defensive issues mean that teams won’t be lining up to put him in the G League. I wish him luck but anotheryear would have helped him. But this is really bad news for the Hoyasfor next year. Nobody we have or could add will be a plus at the 4 over him.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 9, 2018 12:44:44 GMT -5
I thought it was said that his family was very well off. Maybe I'm remembering that wrong. I don't get this decision from a basketball standpoint. UGH I was much more worried about Govan leaving. I figured Derrickson had a good head on his shoulders and realized with his limited athleticism that it wouldn't make sense to leave early.
Really takes the wind out of sails for next year. Hope it doesn't negatively impact recruitment of akinjo.
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 9, 2018 12:46:09 GMT -5
I thought it was said that his family was very well off. Maybe I'm remembering that wrong. I don't get this decision from a basketball standpoint. UGH I was much more worried about Govan leaving. I figured Derrickson had a good head on his shoulders and realized with his limited athleticism that it wouldn't make sense to leave early. Really takes the wind out of sails for next year. Hope it doesn't negatively impact recruitment of akinjo. I believe his parents live in Bowie, MD which is solidly middle class. But then, none of us are privy to the actual financial circumstances of his family so speculating on this is unproductive, IMHO.
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NCHoya
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Post by NCHoya on Apr 9, 2018 12:48:01 GMT -5
Crap. BIG loss for the Hoyas.
But, Good luck to Marcus, hope he finds success wherever he goes. Appreciate the last 3 years of him representing the Hoyas very well.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Apr 9, 2018 12:54:00 GMT -5
This is terribly disappointing news as it relates to the team's outlook next season, but the outside fan cannot fairly judge this decision as we do not have all the facts in front of us.
I wish Derrick the best of luck. I really enjoyed watching his progression over the past 3 seasons. He is leaving Georgetown a much better player than when he arrived. He played really well for us during this past year. Plus, he gave the fan base great reasons to cheer loudly and with hope for a brighter Georgetown basketball future during a season that most of us thought was lost from the start.
Keep drilling those deep 3s from the top of the key, Marcus.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 9, 2018 13:01:29 GMT -5
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vv83
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Post by vv83 on Apr 9, 2018 13:04:17 GMT -5
Maybe I'm reading his Instagram post too lawyer-like but he says he consulted with his family but doesn't mention consulting Ewing and the staff about the decision. I wonder if this is taking Ewing and staff by surprise? Seems to me Pat has known this scholarship was coming open. Good point - we have continued to recruit big men for the coming season pretty aggressively. Ewing likely knew that this was a strong possibility. And the Post reporter is right - I'll be surprised at this point if Govan returns. This is likely why we are attractive to Yurtseven, in part. If Govan and Derrickson are gone, he'll get all the playing time he can handle (if the NCAA changes the rule as expected, allowing him to play right away). That plus Yurtseven having american family/friends in the DC area - we make perfect sense for him under that scenario.
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DallasHoya
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Post by DallasHoya on Apr 9, 2018 13:11:07 GMT -5
So is this where college hoops stands these days? Leave early to play overseas? On average, how much money does a middle of the pack player get paid to play overseas? The only comment on the Post article on Derrickson: "Is there an H League?"
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vv83
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Post by vv83 on Apr 9, 2018 13:13:15 GMT -5
I know this is a contrarian position - but I think from a pure basketball standpoint, it is rarely if ever a "bad" decision for a good player with pro aspirations to leave college in order to focus on basketball full time. He can spend the next year 100% focused on basketball, wherever he ends up playing. No more concern for classes, no limit on time spent practicing with coaches, etc. I really can't see how that is worse for a player's pure basketball development
As to the value of a degree - legit question to ask. But a player who truly values the education as a potential fallback if basketball does not work out can find a way to finish that final year of the degree.
Of course it is vastly disappointing to fans when a player who is not a clear, immediate NBA prospect leaves early. But this is the world we live in, and I think we'll see more and more of this. Guys like Derrickson have been prepping to play pro basketball since their early/mid teens. School has always been, at least in large part, an instrument to get them to the point where they can play professionally. When you are good enough to have been on the all-BE second team after your junior year - it is pretty logical to think that another year of school won't help your pro hoops aspirations nearly as much as becoming a full time professional for that year, even if you are playing outside the NBA.
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Post by hoyadimes on Apr 9, 2018 13:14:33 GMT -5
Maaaan this is baaaaad for several different reasons. Marcus is an above avg college player who can flat out stroke it. Problem is, there are too many parts of his game that are suspect(ball-handling, defense, height at his position, athleticism etc.). I'm not sure where he got his advice from, but it wasn't good. That being said, I have enjoyed watching him represent the Hoyas and improve over the last 3 years. I wish him nothing but the best. I selfishly wish he had waited to throw in all his chips, but its his life, he chose to bet on himself at this moment, and it will be he that has to live with that decision. Good Luck young man.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 9, 2018 13:20:50 GMT -5
Well DSR did make the same announcement. Then ended up not hiring an agent and coming back after all, maybe someone can get is Derrickson's ear and convince him to hold off on hiring an agent.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 9, 2018 13:29:12 GMT -5
While I applaud those trying to make the best of this, losing your best player to the draft (when they aren't going to get drafted) really stinks. If we get Yurtseven, it does help to make up for this, but losing our best player is a very, very, bad thing for our aspirations next season.
As for Govan, there's nothing in that Washington Post blurb to indicate he would leave too. We know that Govan's mother was a huge fan of Ewing, and I do recall that Govan was a higher-academic type (taking AP classes, etc.) in high school. Bottom line: these are intensely personal decisions, and we have no reason to expect Govan to leave as well until he says so.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 9, 2018 13:49:00 GMT -5
I know this is a contrarian position - but I think from a pure basketball standpoint, it is rarely if ever a "bad" decision for a good player with pro aspirations to leave college in order to focus on basketball full time. He can spend the next year 100% focused on basketball, wherever he ends up playing. No more concern for classes, no limit on time spent practicing with coaches, etc. I really can't see how that is worse for a player's pure basketball development As to the value of a degree - legit question to ask. But a player who truly values the education as a potential fallback if basketball does not work out can find a way to finish that final year of the degree. Of course it is vastly disappointing to fans when a player who is not a clear, immediate NBA prospect leaves early. But this is the world we live in, and I think we'll see more and more of this. Guys like Derrickson have been prepping to play pro basketball since their early/mid teens. School has always been, at least in large part, an instrument to get them to the point where they can play professionally. When you are good enough to have been on the all-BE second team after your junior year - it is pretty logical to think that another year of school won't help your pro hoops aspirations nearly as much as becoming a full time professional for that year, even if you are playing outside the NBA. 100%.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 9, 2018 13:55:09 GMT -5
Seems to me Pat has known this scholarship was coming open. Good point - we have continued to recruit big men for the coming season pretty aggressively. Ewing likely knew that this was a strong possibility. And the Post reporter is right - I'll be surprised at this point if Govan returns. This is likely why we are attractive to Yurtseven, in part. If Govan and Derrickson are gone, he'll get all the playing time he can handle (if the NCAA changes the rule as expected, allowing him to play right away). That plus Yurtseven having american family/friends in the DC area - we make perfect sense for him under that scenario. I would be very surprised if Patrick did not know this was coming, or at least a distinct possibility. Many posts have questioned why we would even bother touching base with Yurt and other big man transfers, grad or otherwise, now we know. And Doc is too smart not to have talked at length with a guy with 15 years experience evaluating and developing NBA players, not to mention a long, Hall of Fame playing career, to get a true read on his prospects. Wishing Marcus nothing but the best in his pro career, and in his post-basketball life. He represented the Hoya program with class. We know there will be many great things coming for him.
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