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Post by professorhoya on May 27, 2020 19:51:00 GMT -5
Some pages back I raised the possibility that the combination of the publicity of Mac's you tube postings and the fact that Mac was on a team where virtually all of the players and coaching staff were non-white, could have been contributing factors to his decision to leave. Now, with the wording of his departure statement having been analyzed as laying the foundation for a waiver, I re-raise the possibility. I have no inside information so what follows is "what if" inside of "what if". What if, to start with, Mac were resented by his teammates for the publicity he was getting? And, what if that led the African American teammates to make Mac not to feel at home because he was not one of the brothers? And, what if the coaching staff did nothing or too little to smooth over what would become a racial issue? And, what if Mac used this line of reasoning to justify getting a waiver? Again, these are "what ifs" but the university ought to be prepared for something similar to this coming up. I hope admins will permit this posting. He may have been able to make that argument if he ended up at BYU, but can't see it hold water at TexasTech. However, I can't see him go down that track because it would just ostracize him further and be career suicide. Either way it wasn't true, cause Coach always had his back. When as reported that Mac and Akinjo got in a fight in practice and Mac beat Akinjo's butt, Coach just laughed and didn't discipline Mac for demolishing Akinjo.
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Post by EasyEd on May 27, 2020 20:08:44 GMT -5
Some pages back I raised the possibility that the combination of the publicity of Mac's you tube postings and the fact that Mac was on a team where virtually all of the players and coaching staff were non-white, could have been contributing factors to his decision to leave. Now, with the wording of his departure statement having been analyzed as laying the foundation for a waiver, I re-raise the possibility. I have no inside information so what follows is "what if" inside of "what if". What if, to start with, Mac were resented by his teammates for the publicity he was getting? And, what if that led the African American teammates to make Mac not to feel at home because he was not one of the brothers? And, what if the coaching staff did nothing or too little to smooth over what would become a racial issue? And, what if Mac used this line of reasoning to justify getting a waiver? Again, these are "what ifs" but the university ought to be prepared for something similar to this coming up. I hope admins will permit this posting. Texas Tech also has one white guy (player), that isn't Mac in Avery Benson. We had George Muresan. So, the answer to this is no, it's not a racial issue. How his injury was handled, how he didn't expand his brand based on GTWN's atrocious social media presence, how he didn't develop as a player under coach Ewing, how Ewing doesn't run two PG sets and wouldn't let him be the PG, etc could've problems. There probably is more to it, too. Not this nonsense. Texas Tech has a white coach.
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Post by LCPolo18 on May 27, 2020 20:09:21 GMT -5
Too bad Mac’s “former” agent already talked to the press about the basketball reasons to leave Georgetown. Juzang went home to California. That’s always going to be an easier story to sell. I really don’t care at this point, but the little that I do care hopes that he doesn’t get a waiver. Not being vindictive, I just don’t see a good reason for a waiver being granted, and others in more deserving situations haven’t gotten waivers granted.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on May 27, 2020 20:12:26 GMT -5
Some pages back I raised the possibility that the combination of the publicity of Mac's you tube postings and the fact that Mac was on a team where virtually all of the players and coaching staff were non-white, could have been contributing factors to his decision to leave. Now, with the wording of his departure statement having been analyzed as laying the foundation for a waiver, I re-raise the possibility. I have no inside information so what follows is "what if" inside of "what if". What if, to start with, Mac were resented by his teammates for the publicity he was getting? And, what if that led the African American teammates to make Mac not to feel at home because he was not one of the brothers? And, what if the coaching staff did nothing or too little to smooth over what would become a racial issue? And, what if Mac used this line of reasoning to justify getting a waiver? Again, these are "what ifs" but the university ought to be prepared for something similar to this coming up. I hope admins will permit this posting. What if aliens are just humans from the future? I have no evidence for this, but it’s a possibility we should be prepared for.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on May 27, 2020 20:13:59 GMT -5
Some pages back I raised the possibility that the combination of the publicity of Mac's you tube postings and the fact that Mac was on a team where virtually all of the players and coaching staff were non-white, could have been contributing factors to his decision to leave. Now, with the wording of his departure statement having been analyzed as laying the foundation for a waiver, I re-raise the possibility. I have no inside information so what follows is "what if" inside of "what if". What if, to start with, Mac were resented by his teammates for the publicity he was getting? And, what if that led the African American teammates to make Mac not to feel at home because he was not one of the brothers? And, what if the coaching staff did nothing or too little to smooth over what would become a racial issue? And, what if Mac used this line of reasoning to justify getting a waiver? Again, these are "what ifs" but the university ought to be prepared for something similar to this coming up. I hope admins will permit this posting. He may have been able to make that argument if he ended up at BYU, but can't see it hold water at TexasTech. However, I can't see him go down that track because it would just ostracize him further and be career suicide. Either way it wasn't true, cause Coach always had his back. When as reported that Mac and Akinjo got in a fight in practice and Mac beat Akinjo's butt, Coach just laughed and didn't discipline Mac for demolishing Akinjo. Seriously asking here, when did that happen and where was it reported? I must have missed that.
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Post by swhoya on May 27, 2020 20:54:43 GMT -5
Some pages back I raised the possibility that the combination of the publicity of Mac's you tube postings and the fact that Mac was on a team where virtually all of the players and coaching staff were non-white, could have been contributing factors to his decision to leave. Now, with the wording of his departure statement having been analyzed as laying the foundation for a waiver, I re-raise the possibility. I have no inside information so what follows is "what if" inside of "what if". What if, to start with, Mac were resented by his teammates for the publicity he was getting? And, what if that led the African American teammates to make Mac not to feel at home because he was not one of the brothers? And, what if the coaching staff did nothing or too little to smooth over what would become a racial issue? And, what if Mac used this line of reasoning to justify getting a waiver? Again, these are "what ifs" but the university ought to be prepared for something similar to this coming up. I hope admins will permit this posting. Seriously? This doesn't strike you as a completely abhorrent take, unless you have some inside knowledge? Otherwise, it's all based on the fact he's white and most of the rest of the players and coaching staff are black(exceptions noted below). If you have knowledge of this "what if" then say so (and you admit you don't). Otherwise...wth. This is just the worst sort of speculation. Also, if you're implying that "if" this were true, he'd have a basis for a waiver Uh, you really think the NCAA is going to accept "I'm white and everyone else is black" as a basis for a waiver? No, no, no. And he'd have to be monumentally stupid to make that the basis. I hope the mods delete this crud. It's total speculation and it's disgusting at that.
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Post by mdtd on May 27, 2020 20:59:50 GMT -5
Texas Tech also has one white guy (player), that isn't Mac in Avery Benson. We had George Muresan. So, the answer to this is no, it's not a racial issue. How his injury was handled, how he didn't expand his brand based on GTWN's atrocious social media presence, how he didn't develop as a player under coach Ewing, how Ewing doesn't run two PG sets and wouldn't let him be the PG, etc could've problems. There probably is more to it, too. Not this nonsense. The 2 PG statement is inherently false. Coach Ewing played most of last season with 2 PG types on the floor. Mosely & Ackinjo (Akinjo) followed by Allen & Mosely. It's not the title PG that matters, it's how they play the game, the style in which they play the game. I'm sure it was Coach Ewing yelling at McClung to have tunnel vision, take difficult shots over triple teams instead of moving the ball to open teammates.... This I 100% agree with. But Ewing does not run two PG sets. Allen was the PG and the distributor, Jagan is just a very unselfish player. Mac does not have a creator mindset, but again we did not run two PG sets. Mac could facilitate enough, if he was surrounded with better options. Chris Beard will prove that. But, Jagan just made the extra pass a lot or drove more so looking for the pass rather than shooting. Allen was the PG and ran the offense, and when he was out it was Jagan. James was the only ball handler (to a fault) and when he was out it was Allen. They weren't run together. And Jagan was a selfless player, but was not a PG. He was a selfless wing. Big difference. This isn't a knock on Ewing sets btw, I like his offense, but saying it was a two PG set is false. Allen was the floor general, the main creator, the main ball mover, etc and Jagan was just selfless. Allen (19.6%) had a usage rate 6.5% higher than Jagan (13.1%) in conference play. It was 17.7% to 11.7% in favor of Allen in non-conference play. Compared to a true two PG offense with Brunson and Arch where Brunson had 22.2% usage rate and Arch had a 20.6% usage rate in conference and 22% to 19.9% overall. Entirely different situations.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on May 27, 2020 21:23:42 GMT -5
The 2 PG statement is inherently false. Coach Ewing played most of last season with 2 PG types on the floor. Mosely & Ackinjo (Akinjo) followed by Allen & Mosely. It's not the title PG that matters, it's how they play the game, the style in which they play the game. I'm sure it was Coach Ewing yelling at McClung to have tunnel vision, take difficult shots over triple teams instead of moving the ball to open teammates.... This I 100% agree with. But Ewing does not run two PG sets. Allen was the PG and the distributor, Jagan is just a very unselfish player. Mac does not have a creator mindset, but again we did not run two PG sets. Mac could facilitate enough, if he was surrounded with better options. Chris Beard will prove that. But, Jagan just made the extra pass a lot or drove more so looking for the pass rather than shooting. Allen was the PG and ran the offense, and when he was out it was Jagan. James was the only ball handler (to a fault) and when he was out it was Allen. They weren't run together. And Jagan was a selfless player, but was not a PG. He was a selfless wing. Big difference. This isn't a knock on Ewing sets btw, I like his offense, but saying it was a two PG set is false. Allen was the floor general, the main creator, the main ball mover, etc and Jagan was just selfless. Allen (19.6%) had a usage rate 6.5% higher than Jagan (13.1%) in conference play. It was 17.7% to 11.7% in favor of Allen in non-conference play. Compared to a true two PG offense with Brunson and Arch where Brunson had 22.2% usage rate and Arch had a 20.6% usage rate in conference and 22% to 19.9% overall. Entirely different situations. The usage rate statistic in itself can be very misleading and it's application in your post is misleading. If you dribble the ball a lot your usage rate goes up. Doesn't mean your impacting/dictating style of play. Not really going to argue the usage statistic and it's application here. I'm sure McClung's usage rate was WAY HIGHER (33.4 in conference) then both Allen and Mosely when all three played together. Does that make McClung the PG....?
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Post by bornhoya on May 27, 2020 22:35:35 GMT -5
He may have been able to make that argument if he ended up at BYU, but can't see it hold water at TexasTech. However, I can't see him go down that track because it would just ostracize him further and be career suicide. Either way it wasn't true, cause Coach always had his back. When as reported that Mac and Akinjo got in a fight in practice and Mac beat Akinjo's butt, Coach just laughed and didn't discipline Mac for demolishing Akinjo. Seriously asking here, when did that happen and where was it reported? I must have missed that. Yea and if it did I see why James left
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Post by mdtd on May 27, 2020 23:13:21 GMT -5
This I 100% agree with. But Ewing does not run two PG sets. Allen was the PG and the distributor, Jagan is just a very unselfish player. Mac does not have a creator mindset, but again we did not run two PG sets. Mac could facilitate enough, if he was surrounded with better options. Chris Beard will prove that. But, Jagan just made the extra pass a lot or drove more so looking for the pass rather than shooting. Allen was the PG and ran the offense, and when he was out it was Jagan. James was the only ball handler (to a fault) and when he was out it was Allen. They weren't run together. And Jagan was a selfless player, but was not a PG. He was a selfless wing. Big difference. This isn't a knock on Ewing sets btw, I like his offense, but saying it was a two PG set is false. Allen was the floor general, the main creator, the main ball mover, etc and Jagan was just selfless. Allen (19.6%) had a usage rate 6.5% higher than Jagan (13.1%) in conference play. It was 17.7% to 11.7% in favor of Allen in non-conference play. Compared to a true two PG offense with Brunson and Arch where Brunson had 22.2% usage rate and Arch had a 20.6% usage rate in conference and 22% to 19.9% overall. Entirely different situations. The usage rate statistic in itself can be very misleading and it's application in your post is misleading. If you dribble the ball a lot your usage rate goes up. Doesn't mean your impacting/dictating style of play. Not really going to argue the usage statistic and it's application here. I'm sure McClung's usage rate was WAY HIGHER (33.4 in conference) then both Allen and Mosely when all three played together. Does that make McClung the PG....? I'd say there are different contexts to usage rate in how the player is used. Like Mac was used as more of a scorer, because that's who he is. He showed flashes of playmaking, but he's a scorer. While Jagan was more of a playmaker, yet he was used much less, because he was not a second PG. He was a wing (more out of necessity than anything else), who happened to facilitate. But he was not the offensive floor general. That was Allen who did most of the work in getting people in the right spots, resetting the offense, etc. Jagan was not used as what I would consider as a secondary ball-handler, or secondary PG and instead just was a wing who facilitated. I think there's a huge difference between what Jagan did and what I would consider to be a secondary PG. Both are valuable, but both are very different, to me.
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Post by upstatesaxa on May 28, 2020 1:46:29 GMT -5
Jeez. All this complex basketball analysis. Here’s what I see: (1) A guy who, while a big wheel in our program (due to how far we’ve slid), is overrating his abilities and NBA future and so is turning his back on a Georgetown education and degree in order to incrementally advance his prospects and brand. Is the deflated basketball still a thing? Because this guy isn’t as good as Jimmer Fredette. (2) Welcome to the laissez faire future of basketball as proselytized by Genius Jay Bilas, where if things don’t go 100% your way your sketchy “agent” will justify his existence by helping you bail on your current school and team. And if you’re lucky he’ll help you photoshop yourself into Texas Tech red.... even if you have yet to step foot on campus. Guys are going to get pulled from a game for making a mistake and while on the bench may be texting their “next coach.” Arrggghhh
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Post by upstatesaxa on May 28, 2020 1:57:15 GMT -5
What’s unfortunate is that our recent recruits appear to have little love or affinity for the school... I am not sure if that’s a generational thing or that we had to gather talent that doesn’t care about Georgetown the way 99% of the people on this board do. I guess those might be characterized as recruiting “mistakes” but the coach was and is under enormous pressure to inject talent into the program. Curious that a coach who OBVIOUSLY loves this environment cannot inculcate that same feeling in our most heralded recent recruits. Maybe cannot is too strong a word; should be “has not”
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Post by Ranch Dressing on May 28, 2020 1:58:50 GMT -5
Let’s chat about guys on the team. Can we move this thread to the general college sports thread?
Mac is gone. It’s over and done with. Move on dot com.
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Post by upstatesaxa on May 28, 2020 2:00:14 GMT -5
Last thing: Unless there’s some smoking gun, McClung should have to wait his year
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Post by spshoya13 on May 28, 2020 7:01:08 GMT -5
Mac was very fun to watch. (Frustrating at times but fun) I'm sad to see him leave. In hindsight I wish Akinjo had never come to Georgetown. He and Mac were never on the same page. I would pick Mac over James for sure. I would guess James will have a nice career at Arizona under Sean Miller. Miller was a tough PG as is James.
I don't know much about Texas Tech. Fingers crossed that Mac plays hard and enjoys his run. NBA is very doubtful in my mind. Mac can't shoot well enough (he could improve), he lacks great vision (he could improve), his defense is weak (he could improve). Time will tell.
What ever happened to Gardner? He didn't transfer anywhere. He looked to have potential.
Myron Gardner reportedly enrolled at South Plains College, a junior college in Levelland, TX.--Admin
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Post by professorhoya on May 28, 2020 9:43:27 GMT -5
Seriously asking here, when did that happen and where was it reported? I must have missed that. Yea and if it did I see why James left Well it was supposedly a mutual fight. Just that one side lost. Practice fights happen all the time, just ask Steve Kerr and MJ or Steve Kerr and Will Purdue. Phil Jackson never disciplined anyone from those things.
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Post by drquigley on May 28, 2020 10:00:52 GMT -5
Mac was very fun to watch. (Frustrating at times but fun) I'm sad to see him leave. In hindsight I wish Akinjo had never come to Georgetown. He and Mac were never on the same page. I would pick Mac over James for sure. I would guess James will have a nice career at Arizona under Sean Miller. Miller was a tough PG as is James. I don't know much about Texas Tech. Fingers crossed that Mac plays hard and enjoys his run. NBA is very doubtful in my mind. Mac can't shoot well enough (he could improve), he lacks great vision (he could improve), his defense is weak (he could improve). Time will tell. What ever happened to Gardner? He didn't transfer anywhere. He looked to have potential. Myron Gardner reportedly enrolled at South Plains College, a junior college in Levelland, TX.--AdminReally? What the heck? You leave a nationally ranked educational institution playing basketball in a nationally ranked league to go to a junior college in Levellland, Texas? Kids...
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Post by professorhoya on May 28, 2020 10:49:15 GMT -5
Mac was very fun to watch. (Frustrating at times but fun) I'm sad to see him leave. In hindsight I wish Akinjo had never come to Georgetown. He and Mac were never on the same page. I would pick Mac over James for sure. I would guess James will have a nice career at Arizona under Sean Miller. Miller was a tough PG as is James. I don't know much about Texas Tech. Fingers crossed that Mac plays hard and enjoys his run. NBA is very doubtful in my mind. Mac can't shoot well enough (he could improve), he lacks great vision (he could improve), his defense is weak (he could improve). Time will tell. What ever happened to Gardner? He didn't transfer anywhere. He looked to have potential. Myron Gardner reportedly enrolled at South Plains College, a junior college in Levelland, TX.--AdminReally? What the heck? You leave a nationally ranked educational institution playing basketball in a nationally ranked league to go to a junior college in Levellland, Texas? Kids... Gardner and Alexander basically had no plan. Just followed the cool kids out of there without really thinking what was best for themselves.
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Post by TC on May 28, 2020 10:51:01 GMT -5
Either that or they had no choice in the matter.
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Post by bornhoya on May 28, 2020 11:18:06 GMT -5
Really? What the heck? You leave a nationally ranked educational institution playing basketball in a nationally ranked league to go to a junior college in Levellland, Texas? Kids... Gardner and Alexander basically had no plan. Just followed the cool kids out of there without really thinking what was best for themselves. So you would stay at a school with the professors against you and how do we know James was the problem seems like Mac is the one with the ego
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