justsaying
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Post by justsaying on Dec 16, 2018 16:35:03 GMT -5
Evaluate (a theory or practice) in a detailed and analytical way - Critique
The expression of disapproval of someone or something based on perceived faults or mistakes - Criticism
To say that something is wrong or not good enough - Complain - or keep the pot stirred - or let's discourage possible interested recruits. (some do check fan sites)
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DallasHoya
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Post by DallasHoya on Dec 16, 2018 17:16:42 GMT -5
I called for hiring Ewing on this board long before it happened. So while I continue to be hopeful, I see two big concerns: 1. Ewing needs to understand the difference is how officiating in college differs from the NBA with regard to pick and rolls. Well over half of our standard offensive sets include the PF (Mourning or Leblanc) setting a pick for Akinjo. In the NBA, the PF can hold that pick for a millisecond and then move like an offensive lineman to ensure the switch in defenders. That isn’t allowed to anywhere near the same extent in college, which usually ends in both the defending PF and PG double teaming Akinjo, whose too short to see over them to hit the PF rolling to the rim. And neither of our PFs can shoot outside well enough to run a pick and pop. As a result, I would bet that less than 10% of our PNRs lead to any advantage. By way of comparison, being in Dallas I watch all of the Mavericks’ games, and 5’10” J.J. Berea is currently averaging 11+points and 5+ assists in only 19 minutes a game, while playing with the second team for most of that time. Ewing needs to recognize Akinjo’s inability to run PNRs, and run fewer and/or figure out a way to make them effective. 2. Even more concerning is recruiting. I realize that it’s not over for next year, but as we sit here about a month since signing day, there is no one coming that will materially improve this team next year. We will lose our best scorer and our best three point shooter and have recruited no one who can replace those points (except maybe Yurtseven). On paper, the two FR rim runners will likely improve our defense, but unless we get some scorers next year’s team will look like the unwatchable teams of the last few years of Big John and Esherick. That translates into more losses and even lower attendance. I hope I’m wrong. I've got to disagree on PNR. Yes, the officiating is different, but PNR is still an enormous weapon in college and if run correctly results in switches or blow bys frequently. I mean, isn't this what virtually every team in the last five of IIIs seasons did to us constantly? Akinjo and Mac are both quick and explosive enough to run it credibly with either the PF rolling or Jesse either rolling or popping for a three. The issue is execution, rather than the skills of the players or the nature of the college game. Id like to see us pick and pop more for Jesse, which also forces the opposing five away from the hoop. I didn't say PNR wasn't an enormous part of the college game; it is, but we're doing a terrible job with them and I agree 100% that the issue is execution. That's why I wrote the last sentence of my 1st point: "Ewing needs to recognize Akinjo’s inability to run PNRs, and run fewer and/or figure out a way to make them effective."
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turbohoya
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Post by turbohoya on Jan 9, 2019 20:29:46 GMT -5
Outcoached, again. This is the third game this season we lose and we can point to a number of coaching mistakes.
No answer for their zone
No answer for them getting EVERYTHING they wanted in paint
We lost to a BAD team without their best player... ATROCIOUS
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sweetness
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Post by sweetness on Jan 9, 2019 20:30:33 GMT -5
It is mind boggling that we don't know how to attack a 2-3 zone.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Jan 9, 2019 20:32:06 GMT -5
Outcoached, again. This is the third game this season we lose and we can point to a number of coaching mistakes. No answer for their zone No answer for them getting EVERYTHING they wanted in paint We lost to a BAD team without their best player... ATROCIOUS We actually did have a good answer to their zone, we just went away from it. We were also missing two starters. Will you give you the defense part in the paint. Is there a reason you started a new thread instead of posting in the game thread? Mods- Can this be moved to the game discussion? Doesn't seem to add much as its own thread.
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turbohoya
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Post by turbohoya on Jan 9, 2019 20:37:52 GMT -5
You can put this anywhere you want - you can even delete this whole thing...
when you say "we had a good answer but went away from it".... one or two plays, it's on the players - a whole half its on the coaching
not only do we lose a game we could have easily won but I have to listen to FS1 commentators talking about how the GENIUS move by X was going to zone... this is absurd
once again 100 different lineups
once again little in the way of a coaching REACTION
other teams CAN'T WAIT TO PLAY AGAINST US because we are SOFT and they know they can can get EVERYTHING they want - and we don't adjust, seemingly ever
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 9, 2019 20:44:28 GMT -5
It is mind boggling that we don't know how to attack a 2-3 zone. Good thing we have Louis Orr on staff. He clearly brings a ton to the table.
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mdtd
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Post by mdtd on Jan 9, 2019 20:44:30 GMT -5
It is mind boggling that we don't know how to attack a 2-3 zone. It's like we learned nothing over the non-conference portion where every single team played zone. Players didn't execute either. They couldn't defend late and Xavier destroyed us with that zone.
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 9, 2019 20:45:49 GMT -5
Outcoached, again. This is the third game this season we lose and we can point to a number of coaching mistakes. No answer for their zone No answer for them getting EVERYTHING they wanted in paint We lost to a BAD team without their best player... ATROCIOUS We actually did have a good answer to their zone, we just went away from it. We were also missing two starters. Will you give you the defense part in the paint. Is there a reason you started a new thread instead of posting in the game thread? Mods- Can this be moved to the game discussion? Doesn't seem to add much as its own thread. It’s pretty disingenuous to talk about Mourning as a starter. He can give us a few minutes a game but he has no business starting ahead of LeBlanc.
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mfk24
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Post by mfk24 on Jan 9, 2019 21:26:02 GMT -5
We actually did have a good answer to their zone, we just went away from it. We were also missing two starters. Will you give you the defense part in the paint. Is there a reason you started a new thread instead of posting in the game thread? Mods- Can this be moved to the game discussion? Doesn't seem to add much as its own thread. It’s pretty disingenuous to talk about Mourning as a starter. He can give us a few minutes a game but he has no business starting ahead of LeBlanc. While that’s absolutely true, and I think Leblanc in a great player for us, it wasn’t as though he had a great game tonight either. Defensively, he goes for the shot fake or tries to get the block too often and ends up in the air while his man goes up and under or pivots Away creating space for the shot. It happened several times. He’s not immune to getting blown by by smaller guys and doesn’t have the bulk when forced to guard bigger guys on the post. And offensively, when teams go zone, his perimeter limitations are much more obvious.
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hoyas315
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Post by hoyas315 on Jan 9, 2019 21:27:36 GMT -5
You can put this anywhere you want - you can even delete this whole thing... when you say "we had a good answer but went away from it".... one or two plays, it's on the players - a whole half its on the coaching not only do we lose a game we could have easily won but I have to listen to FS1 commentators talking about how the GENIUS move by X was going to zone... this is absurd once again 100 different lineups once again little in the way of a coaching REACTION other teams CAN'T WAIT TO PLAY AGAINST US because we are SOFT and they know they can can get EVERYTHING they want - and we don't adjust, seemingly ever We are extremely soft! You think that’s Ewing’s fault?! Govan is soft and always will be. Mourning? Good kid, legacy. Soft. Not Ewing’s fault. Kaleb? No skill. Soft. Ewing’s fault? No.
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 9, 2019 21:38:17 GMT -5
Good recruiting fixes all ills.
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 9, 2019 22:03:58 GMT -5
Good recruiting fixes all ills. Does next year’s class serve as that elixir? I think we’re pretty sick still if things don’t drastically improve.
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iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 9, 2019 22:07:00 GMT -5
Good recruiting fixes all ills. Perhaps. But good recruiting is about personnel. Do you feel that we had inferior personnel on the court tonight?
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dchoya72
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 9, 2019 22:10:06 GMT -5
You can put this anywhere you want - you can even delete this whole thing... when you say "we had a good answer but went away from it".... one or two plays, it's on the players - a whole half its on the coaching not only do we lose a game we could have easily won but I have to listen to FS1 commentators talking about how the GENIUS move by X was going to zone... this is absurd once again 100 different lineups once again little in the way of a coaching REACTION other teams CAN'T WAIT TO PLAY AGAINST US because we are SOFT and they know they can can get EVERYTHING they want - and we don't adjust, seemingly ever Absurd!! Let's just put the coaches on the floor and see what happens. Player talent wins game. I'm not negating coaching, but you need the horses; the talent to execute! You dudes yapping up on the coaches are forgetting it takes both. Look at the teams in the final 8 year after year.. they get the best talent. It takes time to rebuild a program that sank pretty low in the past 5-8 years. Patrick Ewing is progressing this program, but obviously it won't be over night.
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 9, 2019 22:16:34 GMT -5
You can put this anywhere you want - you can even delete this whole thing... when you say "we had a good answer but went away from it".... one or two plays, it's on the players - a whole half its on the coaching not only do we lose a game we could have easily won but I have to listen to FS1 commentators talking about how the GENIUS move by X was going to zone... this is absurd once again 100 different lineups once again little in the way of a coaching REACTION other teams CAN'T WAIT TO PLAY AGAINST US because we are SOFT and they know they can can get EVERYTHING they want - and we don't adjust, seemingly ever Absurd!! Let's just put the coaches on the floor and see what happens. Player talent wins game. I'm not negating coaching, but you need the horses; the talent to execute! You dudes yapping up on the coaches are forgetting it takes both. Look at the teams in the final 8 year after year.. they get the best talent. It takes time to rebuild a program that sank pretty low in the past 5-8 years. Patrick Ewing is progressing this program, but obviously it won't be over night. How did Xavier and Seton Hall restock after losing much more than us last tear? Both lost 2/3+ of their scoring and yet both are better than us right now.
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FrazierFanatic
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 9, 2019 22:17:09 GMT -5
We looked like a 5-13 squad tonight.
Again.
I still have hopes for Patrick, but I struggle to see how tonight's game showed any progress.
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hoyas315
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Post by hoyas315 on Jan 9, 2019 22:18:42 GMT -5
Absurd!! Let's just put the coaches on the floor and see what happens. Player talent wins game. I'm not negating coaching, but you need the horses; the talent to execute! You dudes yapping up on the coaches are forgetting it takes both. Look at the teams in the final 8 year after year.. they get the best talent. It takes time to rebuild a program that sank pretty low in the past 5-8 years. Patrick Ewing is progressing this program, but obviously it won't be over night. How did Xavier and Seton Hall restock after losing much more than us last tear? Both lost 2/3+ of their scoring and yet both are better than us right now. You can’t see it?! Sorry to hear that. JTIII left the cupboard bare.
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iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 9, 2019 22:24:21 GMT -5
We looked like a 5-13 squad tonight. Again. I still have hopes for Patrick, but I struggle to see how tonight's game showed any progress. The issue, from my perspective, is that for 16 minutes we looked like a 13-5 squad. It seemed pretty clear that we had a team with lesser personnel down and out. Then things changed, and changed some more. I can live with losing to better personnel. Not tonight.
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iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 9, 2019 22:25:31 GMT -5
How did Xavier and Seton Hall restock after losing much more than us last tear? Both lost 2/3+ of their scoring and yet both are better than us right now. You can’t see it?! Sorry to hear that. JTIII left the cupboard bare. Jesse and Marcus might dispute that.
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