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Post by prhoya on Feb 26, 2018 21:41:34 GMT -5
The team is gassed... need conditioning and more talent.... On more than 9 scholarship players....... This team is severely void of talent on the perimeter, and we have no one to back-up Jesse or Marcus when they get tired of in foul trouble Help is on the way, but we need another scorer who doesn't mind defending...
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Post by saxagael on Feb 26, 2018 21:44:03 GMT -5
Boy. Would have been nice if we hadn’t given them 3 pts just before half. Actually gave them 9 by not being in Rousey’s zip code the last 3 times he shot the ball. Rowsey and Hauser both had a lot of open 3 looks, most on poor switches on defense rather than good picks or ability of the 'quette player to make their own space nor shot. Rowsey and Hauser also made some 3s when covered rather well, it is the wide open shots that should have had somebody at least in their area code.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 26, 2018 21:44:52 GMT -5
Actually gave them 9 by not being in Rousey’s zip code the last 3 times he shot the ball. He shouldn’t have had a chance to shoot the 3rd one!!! That sequence with the two long offensive rebounds by Hedlt killed us. Should have grabbed one of those.
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Post by dchoya72 on Feb 26, 2018 21:45:30 GMT -5
The team is gassed... need conditioning and more talent.... On more than 9 scholarship players....... This team is severely void of talent on the perimeter, and we have no one to back-up Jesse or Marcus when they get tired of in foul trouble Maybe next year.. They have been more competitive than we could have expected, but sold us false hope. Hopefully we will get some excellent players in the positions we need for next year and beyond. This is the only team I pay any attention to, and the season has been,.... I can't describe it.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 26, 2018 21:45:50 GMT -5
Boy. Would have been nice if we hadn’t given them 3 pts just before half. Really gave them 5-6 points considering Govan took and missed a shot with way too much time left on the clock. We hit a 3 as the clock expires and we go up 12 instead of 6. Big difference. This was the play that had me saying immediately "if we end up losing close and late again I bet that'll be the difference." And it was. Bad basketball IQ, bad coaching for not ensuring a shot doesn't go up with more than 4 seconds to go, call it whatever you want. It's the small details like that that continue to cost this team games.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 26, 2018 21:46:47 GMT -5
Govan has 23 going into the overtime. So who takes the last five shots of the overtime period?
Mulmore: Shot clock violation Mulmore: FG Derrickson: Miss Blair: Miss Derrickson: Miss
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 21:47:09 GMT -5
It’s a process I am afraid and the Hoyas have to learn how to win. Another year of second half meltdowns featuring poor decisions, limited offensive options and poor defense. Obviously not ready to give up on Ewing but also see that it is a learning process for him too. Needs that one player who will take the team and will it to victory at the end of these games. It’s a combination of skill and leadership. No one has that combination right now. Hopefully the game against Nova will not be another embarrassment but as of now I believe that DePaul is playing much better than the Hoyas and it could mean this season is done next Wednesday night. Need an NBA level guard, not a lottery pick level, but someone who can help overcome some of Pat's coaching deficiencies. How do we end up being in so many games late with such poor coaching? Is our talent level really good and the coach holding them back, or?
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Post by drquigley on Feb 26, 2018 21:47:21 GMT -5
As I said before the game, you have to be very physical with 3 point shooters. You can't let them have those easy 3 point shots in transition. Rowsey and Hauser were as fresh in OT as they were in the first half. If you can check out a tape of the Creighton-Nova game. Creighton showed hw it is done.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 26, 2018 21:47:54 GMT -5
Actually gave them 9 by not being in Rousey’s zip code the last 3 times he shot the ball. Rowsey and Hauser both had a lot of open 3 looks, most on poor switches on defense rather than good picks or ability of the 'quette player to make their own space nor shot. Rowsey and Hauser also made some 3s when covered rather well, it is the wide open shots that should have had somebody at least in their area code. 18 fricking 3s! Unbelievable!
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Post by saxagael on Feb 26, 2018 21:48:49 GMT -5
That is a really good thing as the guards have been in panic mode most of the season in the last minute and making dumb decisions and rushed shots. So much better today. Many more things to work on, but stopping the asinine panic mode is a great step forward. We didn’t get a shot off. Up 1. 1:30 or so left. You mean shots didn't go, as shots were put up and fairly good one that just missed. Short shots missed by guards and Blair had a good set play with a cut under the lane for high wing 3 that just missed with under 3 seconds. Derrickson got blocked / fouled (not called) the play prior to that on his play inside, which would have tied it.
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Post by hoyainla on Feb 26, 2018 21:49:32 GMT -5
coaches dont play, players do. This was just a consistent game. We fell a part as usual. Not the same way but different. The team has been improving but there is no one to take us across the finish line. I don't blame this loss on anyone. We just don't have the horses. Unfortunately the end is too predictable. But Pat slowed us down for no reason up 1 around 1:30 left and we didn’t get a shot off and his players have to understand time and score at end of first half. This is my biggest problem with the end of game management. Our offense just boggs down. There is a couple of passes then just force to the post. I know we have good post guys but its way too easy to defend when you know its coming. The other teams are running weaves and screens all over the place and we are just running out the clock and praying to get bailed out.
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Post by dchoya72 on Feb 26, 2018 21:51:55 GMT -5
Need an NBA level guard, not a lottery pick level, but someone who can help overcome some of Pat's coaching deficiencies. How do we end up being in so many games late with such poor coaching? Is our talent level really good and the coach holding them back, or? You tell us. Or maybe Glide. I respect you guys... Yes, we need a point guard. We need some good news!! Our players make poor decisions and cannot execute under any type of pressure.
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Post by saxagael on Feb 26, 2018 21:52:42 GMT -5
Need an NBA level guard, not a lottery pick level, but someone who can help overcome some of Pat's coaching deficiencies. How do we end up being in so many games late with such poor coaching? Is our talent level really good and the coach holding them back, or? I think you know the answer as it is mostly the same players as last year who played similarly. They have improved quite a bit, but they aren't top caliber guards. We added a 5th year senior who played in South Dakota as a 6th man and added a freshman from Canada. You do the math, it isn't difficult. Guard play has improved quite a bit, but there is a lot of improvement needed. There has been a lot of freelancing on set plays. There is a ton of clueless guard play where they don't slide when the bigs get doubled inside so they have an easy quick pass out. You can hear Patrick yelling at them. Your math catching up?
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Post by This Just In on Feb 26, 2018 21:52:46 GMT -5
Need an NBA level guard, not a lottery pick level, but someone who can help overcome some of Pat's coaching deficiencies. Just another true pount guard. Doesn't have to be nba level but that would be nice I want to believe this, but I keep thinking it is going to take more than that. JTIII had Chris Wright and Markel Starks and their greatest post season achievement was getting to the BET Finals.
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Post by mfk24 on Feb 26, 2018 21:53:02 GMT -5
coaches dont play, players do. This was just a consistent game. We fell a part as usual. Not the same way but different. The team has been improving but there is no one to take us across the finish line. I don't blame this loss on anyone. We just don't have the horses. Unfortunately the end is too predictable. And the 1-4 against DePaul and Providence with Mosely taking potential game winning shots. And how Blair ever is allowed to take that runner he did down 3 on Saturday. And the craziness of calling 2 Timeouts (and leaving us with 0) at providence instead of taking a timeout, getting the ball to halfcourt and taking another timeout. He needs a floor general for sure but I hope he knows what to do with one when he fjnallh has him. It’s 6 of one, half dozen of the other too be honest. IMO the play calls have been fine, good even, but who do we have to run them? Ideally the ball should go to Derrickson or Govan but someone has to get it to them. Our ball-handling guards are Dickerson, Mulmore, Mosley, and Blair and not one of those guys is someone I’d really trust but I suspect they’ll be a lot more effective when Ewing has a guy who can actually do what he wants.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 21:53:07 GMT -5
How do we end up being in so many games late with such poor coaching? Is our talent level really good and the coach holding them back, or? You tell us. Or maybe Glide. I respect you guys... Yes, we need a point guard. We need some good news!! Our players make poor decisions and cannot execute under any type of pressure. What do I have to do with Glide? What are you talking about dc?
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Post by hobokenhoya on Feb 26, 2018 21:53:20 GMT -5
We didn’t get a shot off. Up 1. 1:30 or so left. You mean shots didn't go, as shots were put up and fairly good one that just missed. Short shots missed by guards and Blair had a good set play with a cut under the lane for high wing 3 that just missed with under 3 seconds. Derrickson got blocked / fouled (not called) the play prior to that on his play inside, which would have tied it. I’m talking about the shot clock violation.
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Post by hobokenhoya on Feb 26, 2018 21:54:41 GMT -5
We didn’t get a shot off. Up 1. 1:30 or so left. You mean shots didn't go, as shots were put up and fairly good one that just missed. Short shots missed by guards and Blair had a good set play with a cut under the lane for high wing 3 that just missed with under 3 seconds. Derrickson got blocked / fouled (not called) the play prior to that on his play inside, which would have tied it. And with under 3 seconds left? We were down 4. The game was over.
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Post by hoyainla on Feb 26, 2018 21:55:18 GMT -5
Need an NBA level guard, not a lottery pick level, but someone who can help overcome some of Pat's coaching deficiencies. How do we end up being in so many games late with such poor coaching? Is our talent level really good and the coach holding them back, or? I'm not going to get into this argument again but I believe we have more talent than most of these mid to lower BE teams so yes. Jessie and Marcus are as good as any tandem in the BE outside of Nova and in college that is big. That said Pat gets the guys to play hard every time so that helps with being in most games. We also seem to come out with a good game plan. Its the second half when other team adjust and we dont seem to. Tonights perimeter defense for as a glaring example.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 26, 2018 21:55:22 GMT -5
Need an NBA level guard, not a lottery pick level, but someone who can help overcome some of Pat's coaching deficiencies. How do we end up being in so many games late with such poor coaching? Is our talent level really good and the coach holding them back, or? I think Pat has done a great job in terms of pre-game preparation; that is, we have a purpose when we come into games and it looks like the guys have the conditioning to play at a higher level for longer than they did before. The overall attitude of the team has also gotten a lot better; a lot less sulking and blank stares this year even when things have gotten tough. That's a reflection of Pat and the will he has imposed on this team. Where he has struggled is coaching up his team to understand time, score and situation. Up 9 with basically the shot clock off at the end of the half, we can't go into half leading 6 there. Just can't. With a minute to go in regulation with the score tied, we run nearly the entire shot clock down instead of going 2 for 1 in the event of a miss. Were it not for Mulmore's heroics, clock management would've come into play there. And with 10 seconds left in OT down 4, you've got Dickerson jogging the ball up like he's taking a stroll in the park. Time. Score. Situation. We just aren't there yet. I don't think it's a talent issue; you don't need talent to understand these things. Can these things be coached up? Yes. But they haven't. They all share the blame here.
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