This Just In
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Post by This Just In on Feb 26, 2018 21:30:52 GMT -5
It’s a process I am afraid and the Hoyas have to learn how to win. Another year of second half meltdowns featuring poor decisions, limited offensive options and poor defense. Obviously not ready to give up on Ewing but also see that it is a learning process for him too. Needs that one player who will take the team and will it to victory at the end of these games. It’s a combination of skill and leadership. No one has that combination right now. Hopefully the game against Nova will not be another embarrassment but as of now I believe that DePaul is playing much better than the Hoyas and it could mean this season is done next Wednesday night. Need an NBA level guard, not a lottery pick level, but someone who can help overcome some of Pat's coaching deficiencies.
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Post by wisconsinhoya on Feb 26, 2018 21:31:44 GMT -5
It’s a process I am afraid and the Hoyas have to learn how to win. Another year of second half meltdowns featuring poor decisions, limited offensive options and poor defense. Obviously not ready to give up on Ewing but also see that it is a learning process for him too. Needs that one player who will take the team and will it to victory at the end of these games. It’s a combination of skill and leadership. No one has that combination right now. Hopefully the game against Nova will not be another embarrassment but as of now I believe that DePaul is playing much better than the Hoyas and it could mean this season is done next Wednesday night. Patrick is going to have to do one heck of a mind job to get this team ready for the Big East tournament. Villanova may very well blow us out again and then we either face a St. John's team on their home court or a DePaul team that beat us last time out in DC. This entire season may very well be over in 9 days.
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This Just In
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Post by This Just In on Feb 26, 2018 21:32:30 GMT -5
At least Duke lost at VT... <iframe width="25.559999999999945" height="2.960000000000008" style="position: absolute; width: 25.56px; height: 2.96px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 0px; top: 0px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_65143900"></iframe> <iframe width="25.559999999999945" height="2.960000000000008" style="position: absolute; width: 25.56px; height: 2.96px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1212px; top: -108px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_91281327"></iframe> <iframe width="25.559999999999945" height="2.960000000000008" style="position: absolute; width: 25.56px; height: 2.96px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 10px; top: -13px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_53433576"></iframe> <iframe width="25.559999999999945" height="2.960000000000008" style="position: absolute; width: 25.56px; height: 2.96px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1212px; top: -13px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_32368962"></iframe> Also means that Buzz Williams has turned around the Virginia Tech program since leaving Marquette. I once thought that was a bad idea, but now I ask, which is the better program?
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Post by dchoya72 on Feb 26, 2018 21:33:08 GMT -5
I give Patrick Ewing credit for getting this team to play hard every night. I’m very pleased with overall direction of the program but the late game coaching and execution has been brutal. coaches dont play, players do. This was just a consistent game. We fell a part as usual. Not the same way but different. The team has been improving but there is no one to take us across the finish line. I don't blame this loss on anyone. We just don't have the horses. Unfortunately the end is too predictable.
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 26, 2018 21:33:55 GMT -5
Nearly impossible to win against a team that goes 18-31 from the 3pt line, and since we are not exactly a top 25 team, the surprising result is that we kept this game so close. And of course, there will be moaning about coaching and other individual plays and players, but when a team is that hot from 3, there really is no additional analysis needed. In fact, if Derrickson is not nailed with his 3rd and 4th fouls on questionable calls, the Hoyas likely pull of an improbable victory.
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Post by hobokenhoya on Feb 26, 2018 21:33:58 GMT -5
Boy. Would have been nice if we hadn’t given them 3 pts just before half. Yup. And if Govan would at least compete for a rebound down the stretch. I love Govan but taking that shot with 8 seconds left at the end of the first half was the dumbest thing I’ve seen all season.
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Post by hobokenhoya on Feb 26, 2018 21:34:58 GMT -5
I’m very pleased with overall direction of the program but the late game coaching and execution has been brutal. coaches dont play, players do. This was just a consistent game. We fell a part as usual. Not the same way but different. The team has been improving but there is no one to take us across the finish line. I don't blame this loss on anyone. We just don't have the horses. Unfortunately the end is too predictable. But Pat slowed us down for no reason up 1 around 1:30 left and we didn’t get a shot off and his players have to understand time and score at end of first half.
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Post by dchoya72 on Feb 26, 2018 21:35:42 GMT -5
It’s a process I am afraid and the Hoyas have to learn how to win. Another year of second half meltdowns featuring poor decisions, limited offensive options and poor defense. Obviously not ready to give up on Ewing but also see that it is a learning process for him too. Needs that one player who will take the team and will it to victory at the end of these games. It’s a combination of skill and leadership. No one has that combination right now. Hopefully the game against Nova will not be another embarrassment but as of now I believe that DePaul is playing much better than the Hoyas and it could mean this season is done next Wednesday night. Need an NBA level guard, not a lottery pick level, but someone who can help overcome some of Pat's coaching deficiencies. I don't agree with you at all. But you8re entitled to your opinion.
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Post by saxagael on Feb 26, 2018 21:35:59 GMT -5
The fouls on Derrickson really hurt with him sitting too long (the 2 quick calls weren't great calls). He had 13 points before foul trouble and added to more. He was back to really getting up on the boards again.
Juggy did well shooting tonight and found good calm rhythm to be 3 or 5 for 3pts and 7 of 8 FTs. Nice to see and hope this stays.
Dickerson struggled shooting, but ran things rather well.
Mulmore finally found his game with 15 points (6 of those FTs) and 2 blocks.
Hoyas had 24 of 29 at the line with 'quette 8 of 11 (nice to see GU get the foul advantage and make FTs after a rough FT outing last game).
Hoyas really need to help Derrickson and Govan when they get doubled inside, which is pretty much every touch inside by having a guard get proper spacing and slide over to provide an out as soon as the double starts to move to the big. Standing still isn't an option. Being clueless isn't an option. Playing good team ball is an option.
Pickett only had 7 pts, but had 6 boards, which is decent for him and his rebounding game continues to get stronger. He would have a few more boards if Govan could sort out his positioning on rebounds with Pickett seeming to get the off side rebounds.
Govan did well on the offensive side with 25 points, but like others he struggle close in. It was nice to see his first 2 3 pointers, but when he gets going he then starts rushing and not getting set, as if believing anything he puts up will go in, no matter how he puts the ball up. He had 9 boards, but had 5 or 6 more that just bounced out of his hands (really needs to work on his hands this summer and defense and rebounding positioning).
5 blocks, all by guards in on the block party, was really good to see. The Mulmore stuff of Rowsey's fast break 3 was my favorite of the night.
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Post by wisconsinhoya on Feb 26, 2018 21:36:04 GMT -5
Honestly the Hoyas are better off in the 8-9 game. Honestly, I don't think it makes any difference unless Patrick is able to find eligibility for Wingate, Gene Smith, Michael Jackson, Reggie Williams, Michael Graham, etc.... We lost split with DePaul and it took an amazing shot by Jesse in New York and a prayer by Marcus in DC to somehow get by St. John's twice. The thing I like more about the 7/10 game is that you have almost 24 hours until you play on Thursday. In the 8/9 game, you play at noon on Thursday.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 26, 2018 21:36:12 GMT -5
Boy. Would have been nice if we hadn’t given them 3 pts just before half. Really gave them 5-6 points considering Govan took and missed a shot with way too much time left on the clock. We hit a 3 as the clock expires and we go up 12 instead of 6. Big difference.
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Post by hobokenhoya on Feb 26, 2018 21:37:25 GMT -5
I’m very pleased with overall direction of the program but the late game coaching and execution has been brutal. coaches dont play, players do. This was just a consistent game. We fell a part as usual. Not the same way but different. The team has been improving but there is no one to take us across the finish line. I don't blame this loss on anyone. We just don't have the horses. Unfortunately the end is too predictable. And the 1-4 against DePaul and Providence with Mosely taking potential game winning shots. And how Blair ever is allowed to take that runner he did down 3 on Saturday. And the craziness of calling 2 Timeouts (and leaving us with 0) at providence instead of taking a timeout, getting the ball to halfcourt and taking another timeout. He needs a floor general for sure but I hope he knows what to do with one when he fjnallh has him.
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Post by wisconsinhoya on Feb 26, 2018 21:38:21 GMT -5
I really thought we turned a corner to play Seton Hall and Butler the way we did, and then we just completely crapped out. We’d probably be underdogs to DePaul at this point. The team is gassed... need conditioning and more talent.... On more than 9 scholarship players....... This team is severely void of talent on the perimeter, and we have no one to back-up Jesse or Marcus when they get tired of in foul trouble
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Post by mfk24 on Feb 26, 2018 21:38:47 GMT -5
It’s a process I am afraid and the Hoyas have to learn how to win. Another year of second half meltdowns featuring poor decisions, limited offensive options and poor defense. Obviously not ready to give up on Ewing but also see that it is a learning process for him too. Needs that one player who will take the team and will it to victory at the end of these games. It’s a combination of skill and leadership. No one has that combination right now. Hopefully the game against Nova will not be another embarrassment but as of now I believe that DePaul is playing much better than the Hoyas and it could mean this season is done next Wednesday night. DePaul had great games against Marquette and Providence but they also lost by double digits to Seton Hall(x2), Butler, and had a heart breaker against St John’s. They’re better than they were last year. The game will be a toss up. If we could ever string together a full 40 minutes, we’d win.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 26, 2018 21:39:01 GMT -5
It’s a process I am afraid and the Hoyas have to learn how to win. Another year of second half meltdowns featuring poor decisions, limited offensive options and poor defense. Obviously not ready to give up on Ewing but also see that it is a learning process for him too. Needs that one player who will take the team and will it to victory at the end of these games. It’s a combination of skill and leadership. No one has that combination right now. Hopefully the game against Nova will not be another embarrassment but as of now I believe that DePaul is playing much better than the Hoyas and it could mean this season is done next Wednesday night. Need an NBA level guard, not a lottery pick level, but someone who can help overcome some of Pat's coaching deficiencies. Just another true pount guard. Doesn't have to be nba level but that would be nice
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 26, 2018 21:39:22 GMT -5
Boy. Would have been nice if we hadn’t given them 3 pts just before half. Actually gave them 9 by not being in Rousey’s zip code the last 3 times he shot the ball.
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Post by hobokenhoya on Feb 26, 2018 21:39:46 GMT -5
It’s a process I am afraid and the Hoyas have to learn how to win. Another year of second half meltdowns featuring poor decisions, limited offensive options and poor defense. Obviously not ready to give up on Ewing but also see that it is a learning process for him too. Needs that one player who will take the team and will it to victory at the end of these games. It’s a combination of skill and leadership. No one has that combination right now. Hopefully the game against Nova will not be another embarrassment but as of now I believe that DePaul is playing much better than the Hoyas and it could mean this season is done next Wednesday night. DePaul had great games against Marquette and Providence but they also lost by double digits to Seton Hall(x2), Butler, and had a heart breaker against St John’s. They’re better than they were last year. The game will be a toss up. If we could ever string together a full 40 minutes, we’d win. If we don’t win Wednesday night (assuming it’s depaul because we won’t beat St. John’s), the season is a failure.
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saxagael
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Post by saxagael on Feb 26, 2018 21:40:22 GMT -5
coaches dont play, players do. This was just a consistent game. We fell a part as usual. Not the same way but different. The team has been improving but there is no one to take us across the finish line. I don't blame this loss on anyone. We just don't have the horses. Unfortunately the end is too predictable. But Pat slowed us down for no reason up 1 around 1:30 left and we didn’t get a shot off and his players have to understand time and score at end of first half. That is a really good thing as the guards have been in panic mode most of the season in the last minute and making dumb decisions and rushed shots. So much better today. Many more things to work on, but stopping the asinine panic mode is a great step forward.
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Post by hobokenhoya on Feb 26, 2018 21:40:40 GMT -5
Boy. Would have been nice if we hadn’t given them 3 pts just before half. Actually gave them 9 by not being in Rousey’s zip code the last 3 times he shot the ball. He shouldn’t have had a chance to shoot the 3rd one!!!
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Post by hobokenhoya on Feb 26, 2018 21:41:15 GMT -5
But Pat slowed us down for no reason up 1 around 1:30 left and we didn’t get a shot off and his players have to understand time and score at end of first half. That is a really good thing as the guards have been in panic mode most of the season in the last minute and making dumb decisions and rushed shots. So much better today. Many more things to work on, but stopping the asinine panic mode is a great step forward. We didn’t get a shot off. Up 1. 1:30 or so left.
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