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Jun 17, 2005 14:04:05 GMT -5
Post by hoyalove4ever on Jun 17, 2005 14:04:05 GMT -5
What you can do is NOT bend over to the RPI god. It's fine to base part of your schedule on this awful stat-- the BCS of College Basketball, which is actually an insult to the BCS-- but don't bend over backwards for it, and certainly don't taint your school's integrity for it.
I'm not saying that's what happened here, but if it did...yikes.
Like I said before, I'd just like to get more info on what actually happened. Often things are more complex behind the scenes and I don't want to rush to judgement.
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Jun 17, 2005 14:06:42 GMT -5
Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jun 17, 2005 14:06:42 GMT -5
I understand the consternation about dropping the SJSU game but just because the dropping of the game happened when we picked up the Oregon game does not mean that the two are necessarily related. However, it is a long way to go to play a team - charter or a flight from reagan to chicago, then to Seattle, then a small jet to Eugene or surrounding area. It is good that III is playing such tough competition on the road - i think it really shows his faith in the team now that DJ and BoBo are back. I think it will be a very entertaining season and our RPI coming out of OOC will not be as bad and hence probably not be a concern going down the stretch of the BE season - however, we need to win and get these games on TV to improve on the momentum created last season. I personally can't wait to see who we're playing at home in this OOC.
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Oregon
Jun 17, 2005 14:08:55 GMT -5
Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jun 17, 2005 14:08:55 GMT -5
Totally agree with you hoyalove - we don't have all the facts and its unlikely that they are going to come out in a Post or Times column, on the Kornhieser show, or on JTII's show - and III is definitely not going to talk about it - so we're just stuck conjecturing - I think its best to let it be because we really don't know what went on behind closed doors and we will probably never know.
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Jun 17, 2005 14:13:20 GMT -5
Post by aggypryd on Jun 17, 2005 14:13:20 GMT -5
Quite sure the Oregon/Georgetown game is going to be nationally televised...
That's money and exposure for the New-Look Hoyas...
I cain't "Hate" on them for that.
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Oregon
Jun 17, 2005 14:15:55 GMT -5
Post by hoyalove4ever on Jun 17, 2005 14:15:55 GMT -5
I hope it's on TV...it's a fair bet that I'm not driving out to Oregon right before law school exams ;D
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Jun 17, 2005 14:24:55 GMT -5
Post by SirSaxa on Jun 17, 2005 14:24:55 GMT -5
hoyalove4ever
I understand and agree with your position re: integrity, if the facts apply -- and we may never know that. Since there was a buy out clause, it would seem the parties anticipated the second game might not be played.
Apart from that, if it IS a TV game... that might justify the long trip, MIGHT bring in more money, and could well help with exposure on the west coast and nationally for recruiting.
The RPI impact should not be underestimated. GU is a program that historically has bent over backwards to AVOID using RPI to help us. It almost seemed like Craig wanted to shove it in the face of the RPI proponents that he didn't agree -- which clearly was cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.
You and I and many others may dislike a lot about RPI, but since it is so important to the Committee, we need to pay attention to it anyway. I am glad we are. Like many others, I'd like to see us dump the majority of 200+ RPI teams on our sched each year. Every team is entitled to a couple, but two years ago, after 9 or 10 games, we had the LOWEST rated schedule in the entire country. #345 or whatever it was. Absolute last. For the Georgetown Hoyas to have the absolute weakest schedule in the entire nation 10 games in was inexcusable, unforgivable, and idiotic from every perspective. Thanks goodness JT3 is taking steps to change that. But you are right, those steps should not involve unethical behavior. Until we see evidence to the contrary, I will give GU the benefit of the doubt and assume that was not the case.
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Jun 17, 2005 14:31:59 GMT -5
Post by Boz on Jun 17, 2005 14:31:59 GMT -5
I think its best to let it be because we really don't know what went on behind closed doors and we will probably never know. So much for your future as a cable network news analyst! ;D ;D ;D
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Oregon
Jun 17, 2005 14:34:06 GMT -5
Post by hoyalove4ever on Jun 17, 2005 14:34:06 GMT -5
I hear you, Sirsaxa. At the same time, I do not agree that RPI needs to be a major factor in our schedule. We cannot criticize the RPI as an awful way to rank/ select teams on the one hand, and then kneel down before the altar of RPI on the other hand. If you are a coach and you have a problem with RPI-- which you should-- then you should do something about it.
Doing something, however, should involve more than just scheduling; it should also entail a public-relations campaign to educate the broader public that RPI is a major problem in college basketball. Call it like it is: RPI ranks teams in an inaccurate way based upon an inherently-flawed statistical model. In fact, no statistical model can really rank college basketball teams. So trash the garbage and go back to a common-sense analysis.
But I digress...
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Jun 17, 2005 14:50:19 GMT -5
Post by aggypryd on Jun 17, 2005 14:50:19 GMT -5
And I will have the last word on this topic...
"The Last Word"
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Jun 17, 2005 15:02:21 GMT -5
Post by TBird41 on Jun 17, 2005 15:02:21 GMT -5
I hear you, Sirsaxa. At the same time, I do not agree that RPI needs to be a major factor in our schedule. We cannot criticize the RPI as an awful way to rank/ select teams on the one hand, and then kneel down before the altar of RPI on the other hand. If you are a coach and you have a problem with RPI-- which you should-- then you should do something about it. Doing something, however, should involve more than just scheduling; it should also entail a public-relations campaign to educate the broader public that RPI is a major problem in college basketball. Call it like it is: RPI ranks teams in an inaccurate way based upon an inherently-flawed statistical model. In fact, no statistical model can really rank college basketball teams. So trash the garbage and go back to a common-sense analysis. But I digress... Just out of curiosity, common sense analysis from who?
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Jun 17, 2005 15:06:54 GMT -5
Post by aggypryd on Jun 17, 2005 15:06:54 GMT -5
FREEKLEFARKLE!!!!
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Jun 17, 2005 16:13:46 GMT -5
Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 17, 2005 16:13:46 GMT -5
Quite sure the Oregon/Georgetown game is going to be nationally televised... That's money and exposure for the New-Look Hoyas... I'd say no national TV at this point for Dec. 3. Here's why: Army-Navy (CBS) SEC championship game (CBS) Big 12 championship game (ABC) ACC championship game (ESPN) Conference USA championship game (ESPN or ESPN2) Maybe Fox Sports is in the mix regionally , but remember that it's a three hour time difference so even a 1:00 start bumps up against late afternoon programming out East. A 19-13 and a 14-13 team is no lock for national TV, especially when the Pac 10 gets traditionally short shrift from the networks.
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Jun 17, 2005 16:29:34 GMT -5
Post by lichoya68 on Jun 17, 2005 16:29:34 GMT -5
bring em all on quackers and ducks. and all go hoyas werererere ready . first respect and then comes FEAR... but i hope the complainers about the schedulers will support our hoyas in these rough away games with solid schools.. st leos .. or bethune cookman.. might look good at some point. gohoyas
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Jun 17, 2005 16:46:06 GMT -5
Post by DanMcQ on Jun 17, 2005 16:46:06 GMT -5
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Jun 17, 2005 16:53:10 GMT -5
Post by aggypryd on Jun 17, 2005 16:53:10 GMT -5
Quite sure the Oregon/Georgetown game is going to be nationally televised... That's money and exposure for the New-Look Hoyas... I'd say no national TV at this point for Dec. 3. Here's why: Army-Navy (CBS) SEC championship game (CBS) Big 12 championship game (ABC) ACC championship game (ESPN) Conference USA championship game (ESPN or ESPN2) Maybe Fox Sports is in the mix regionally , but remember that it's a three hour time difference so even a 1:00 start bumps up against late afternoon programming out East. A 19-13 and a 14-13 team is no lock for national TV, especially when the Pac 10 gets traditionally short shrift from the networks. Very true, DFW... I'm thinking that the ABC game is usually played at night, so we may be able to squeeze in at 4pm eastern... WOW!!! How long has it been since we've played a nationally televised game on ABC?
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Jun 17, 2005 17:07:42 GMT -5
Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 17, 2005 17:07:42 GMT -5
Seems the Hispanic tourney is exempt. I wonder if we get more than one game out of it? Would seem a waste otherwise, but most exempt tournaments are like the Rainbow Classic last year -- you don't know who you face in later rounds.
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Jun 17, 2005 18:56:22 GMT -5
Post by MCIGuy on Jun 17, 2005 18:56:22 GMT -5
Quite sure the Oregon/Georgetown game is going to be nationally televised... That's money and exposure for the New-Look Hoyas... I'd say no national TV at this point for Dec. 3. Here's why: Army-Navy (CBS) SEC championship game (CBS) Big 12 championship game (ABC) ACC championship game (ESPN) Conference USA championship game (ESPN or ESPN2) Maybe Fox Sports is in the mix regionally , but remember that it's a three hour time difference so even a 1:00 start bumps up against late afternoon programming out East. A 19-13 and a 14-13 team is no lock for national TV, especially when the Pac 10 gets traditionally short shrift from the networks. It will likely be on FOX Sports which is where most PAC 10 games are played. Those of us in the DC area can see those games on Comcast, sometimes live, sometimes not. I'm pretty sure Comcast will air this game. That being said we OWE San Jose a game at their place. If we can do it in the winter of 2006 then lets do it. Perhaps JT3 was worried about four games on the road against teams from major conferences. I don't know. Regardless we should play San Jose. Now someone tell me how DFW knew about the schedules from all those way down the road dates.
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Jun 17, 2005 20:17:33 GMT -5
Post by ptldhoya on Jun 17, 2005 20:17:33 GMT -5
Hell Yes--- I've been waiting years for this game....Now I just graduated from law school in Eugene. But, y'all know who I'm rooting for: Hoyas. Let me tell you guys that if you can come, you should. The U of O gym is a site to behold for sure. I believe it's the second oldest on campus gym in the country and was built in the 1920's. The closes comparison I can make is that it is like a 9,000 seat version of the old Boston Garden. It is a seriously fun atmosphere to see a game at and I personally invite you all to come down and cheer for the Hoyas. I am in the enviable position of not really minding which team takes a loss.
You guys have no idea how happy I was to see this story. And before you rip the Ducks too bad for last year's performance, know that they started almost all Freshmen and that they'll be a tough test for us next year.
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Jun 17, 2005 21:20:02 GMT -5
Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jun 17, 2005 21:20:02 GMT -5
I'd say no national TV at this point for Dec. 3. Here's why: Army-Navy (CBS) SEC championship game (CBS) Big 12 championship game (ABC) ACC championship game (ESPN) Conference USA championship game (ESPN or ESPN2) Maybe Fox Sports is in the mix regionally , but remember that it's a three hour time difference so even a 1:00 start bumps up against late afternoon programming out East. A 19-13 and a 14-13 team is no lock for national TV, especially when the Pac 10 gets traditionally short shrift from the networks. Very true, DFW... I'm thinking that the ABC game is usually played at night, so we may be able to squeeze in at 4pm eastern... WOW!!! How long has it been since we've played a nationally televised game on ABC? Was the Syracuse game at MCI during Mike's last season on ABC? It might have been on CBS ... but I can remember there being an ABC game that year because the topic came up in an oral exam I had that semester.
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Jun 18, 2005 1:07:30 GMT -5
Post by CAHoya07 on Jun 18, 2005 1:07:30 GMT -5
Any word on if the Oregon series is a home-and-home deal? I'd love to see the Ducks at MCI the following year.
During high school, I went to a running camp in Oregon over the summer and checked out Mac Court. Really old place, but based on what I've seen, it sure can rock. That will be a tough game, but a good test. These are the types of OOC games we should be having.
All we need now are some good home dates at MCI. ;D
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