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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 25, 2020 5:45:39 GMT -5
We have key players on our team that can’t dribble, pass or finish on the break. How is this not a massive upgrade? Plus, we lost LeBlanc, Gardner and Alexander.
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 25, 2020 7:20:07 GMT -5
Okay, I surrender. Sign him up if he wants to be a Hoya.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 25, 2020 10:17:29 GMT -5
We need practice players at this point too. Bring him in, get him to realize the league is possibly never going to happen unless he develops. He probably has a better shot in college than in the G league. Beggars can't be choosers right now. I was thinking the same thing. May make sense for him to come to GU, practice/develop, and then assess whether he wants to test the pro waters or stay at GU and continue to develop his game. It is a win-win situation, as he could be a great help with getting the team prepared for games, while he can receive coaching and development at the same time. We have the scholarships, why not use them. Is there any consideration if Georgetown is the right school for hm? Or are we finally agreeing that the student part of this is a charade and these guys are very poorly paid professional basketball players who are at GU almost entirely to get better at the game and try to move on to a higher level of pro ball? I think it would be very refreshing if we all began to admit what we know is true.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 25, 2020 10:38:01 GMT -5
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Jan 25, 2020 10:54:34 GMT -5
Sometimes the year off can be a sobering reality check. Remember how Jordan Tucker’s family seemed crazy? Jordan Tucker has settled into a role at Butler, a team that clearly has good chemistry. You have to think that Ewing and Orr understand the importance of cutting through the noise and tempering his father’s expectations, especially after this season. It’s an interesting choice. First step, the Whitney’s need to come around and choose college basketball. Then we will see what the Hoyas do.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 25, 2020 11:49:08 GMT -5
At this point, in the top tier of D-1 basketball, academics are out the window. It’s that way at top high schools as well. You have a bifurcated system where academically oriented kids take AP and honors classes and the non-academically oriented kids and athletes take regular classes. It a joke, but that’s where we are.
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Post by trillesthoya on Jan 25, 2020 11:54:05 GMT -5
There’s no way around it- if Georgetown is going to take its program to the next level, we are going to need elite athletes eventually. There’s only so much you can do finding diamonds in the rough and coaching them up, eventually if Pat is to get us to the promised land we’re going to need guys like Whitney. He clearly was overranked based on his play so far this season, but a year of under Pat’s tutelage could do wonders for his game. Sadly we are not at a position where we can pick and choose which guys we take. I also potentially see recruiting benefits if we are to land him, as the recruiting pitch is a lot easier when you have other talented players on the roster plus ample minutes to offer like we do. I really hope we get him.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 25, 2020 11:58:32 GMT -5
As of now, I’d say we are looking to finish between 8th and 11th in the league next season, unless we recruit well in the coming months. That’s the sober reality we face. A couple solid players and things radically change.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 25, 2020 12:13:56 GMT -5
At this point, in the top tier of D-1 basketball, academics are out the window. It’s that way at top high schools as well. You have a bifurcated system where academically oriented kids take AP and honors classes and the non-academically oriented kids and athletes take regular classes. It a joke, but that’s where we are. What's your point here Bigs?
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 25, 2020 12:24:27 GMT -5
At this point, in the top tier of D-1 basketball, academics are out the window. It’s that way at top high schools as well. You have a bifurcated system where academically oriented kids take AP and honors classes and the non-academically oriented kids and athletes take regular classes. It a joke, but that’s where we are. I don’t think it’s a joke at all. The joke is pretending that these elite athletes are at any of these schools for any reason other than playing their sport and positioning themselves for a jump to a higher level. And that’s fine! I just wish everyone could be honest about what is happening here and that we could officially treat these guys as the athletes and not students that they are (and, yes, that includes compensation, too). And, if some of the players want to take advantage of the educational opportunity and make the commitment to be a real student, that’s great and he should be encouraged and supported to see that through. But, it should not be mandatory, IMO.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 25, 2020 14:11:09 GMT -5
As of now, I’d say we are looking to finish between 8th and 11th in the league next season, unless we recruit well in the coming months. That’s the sober reality we face. A couple solid players and things radically change. I think we absolutely take Whitney if he wants to come to Georgetown, but keep in mind that without a waiver, the kid can't play next year. To be fair, Calipari has a history of helping former players with waivers, and Georgetown has been good at it too. So maybe they could work some magic.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 25, 2020 14:25:02 GMT -5
As of now, I’d say we are looking to finish between 8th and 11th in the league next season, unless we recruit well in the coming months. That’s the sober reality we face. A couple solid players and things radically change. I think we absolutely take Whitney if he wants to come to Georgetown, but keep in mind that without a waiver, the kid can't play next year. To be fair, Calipari has a history of helping former players with waivers, and Georgetown has been good at it too. So maybe they could work some magic. There's no magic to it, Calipari just agrees to whatever claims the player is making in the waiver process... I suspect that's what UCLA did in the Josh Smith case...
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Post by centercourt400s on Jan 25, 2020 15:25:22 GMT -5
At this point, in the top tier of D-1 basketball, academics are out the window. It’s that way at top high schools as well. You have a bifurcated system where academically oriented kids take AP and honors classes and the non-academically oriented kids and athletes take regular classes. It a joke, but that’s where we are. I don’t think it’s a joke at all. The joke is pretending that these elite athletes are at any of these schools for any reason other than playing their sport and positioning themselves for a jump to a higher level. And that’s fine! I just wish everyone could be honest about what is happening here and that we could officially treat these guys as the athletes and not students that they are (and, yes, that includes compensation, too). And, if some of the players want to take advantage of the educational opportunity and make the commitment to be a real student, that’s great and he should be encouraged and supported to see that through. But, it should not be mandatory, IMO. Seems like an argument that is better off in another thread.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 25, 2020 20:00:59 GMT -5
Not a pretty article, folks can take it fwiw since the writer covers UK... theathletic.com/1560243/2020/01/24/tucker-kahlil-whitney-is-stunningly-leaving-kentucky-but-for-where/If you thought the Quade Green transfer in the middle of last season was sudden … When freshman wing Kahlil Whitney told his Kentucky coaches and teammates on Friday he was leaving the program, an announcement that came just hours before the Wildcats departed for a Top 25 meeting at Texas Tech on Saturday, everyone involved was stunned. Maybe not at the decision, given Whitney’s plummeting playing time, but certainly at the timing.
Just 10 days earlier, assistant coach Kenny Payne said, “I feel confident he’s going to fight through.”To be clear, this was not an issue of opportunity. Whitney got plenty of chances to prove he could play. He started the first seven games of the season, averaging 20 minutes and 5.5 shot attempts per game. Even after it became clear he wasn’t cutting it and headed to the bench, Whitney got several more shots at earning playing time. Kentucky has been desperate for a fifth reliable option to emerge. With Ashton Hagans, Tyrese Maxey, Immanuel Quickley and Nick Richards all playing consistently well, Calipari made it clear that whoever else could contribute positively — especially through defense and rebounding — would earn major minutes.
Truth be told, Calipari badly wanted that to be Whitney. The coach pleaded with him to block out whatever noise was rushing in from the outside and embrace a role as defensive stopper and glass cleaner. But it was no secret around the program that his father, former Seton Hall star Kelly Whitney, was unhappy with that idea. And whether it was because Dad didn’t like it or because Whitney wasn’t feeling it, the former top-15 recruit would not accept his new identity as a role player. He and his father saw Whitney as a big-time playmaker instead.
So he launched long, contested jump shots at every opportunity and turned the ball over at a high rate when he tried to put it on the floor. He shot 37 percent from the field, made just 4 of 16 3-pointers and was a dreadful 10-of-23 at the free-throw line. He produced almost twice as many turnovers (15) as assists (8) and in his final 69 minutes, Whitney managed just six rebounds, one block and no steals. He is, according to Synergy Sports, the team’s lowest-rated offensive and defensive player. In simpler terms, he just refused to accept the role Calipari offered him.
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 25, 2020 20:12:30 GMT -5
Not a pretty article, folks can take it fwiw since the writer covers UK... theathletic.com/1560243/2020/01/24/tucker-kahlil-whitney-is-stunningly-leaving-kentucky-but-for-where/If you thought the Quade Green transfer in the middle of last season was sudden … When freshman wing Kahlil Whitney told his Kentucky coaches and teammates on Friday he was leaving the program, an announcement that came just hours before the Wildcats departed for a Top 25 meeting at Texas Tech on Saturday, everyone involved was stunned. Maybe not at the decision, given Whitney’s plummeting playing time, but certainly at the timing.
Just 10 days earlier, assistant coach Kenny Payne said, “I feel confident he’s going to fight through.”To be clear, this was not an issue of opportunity. Whitney got plenty of chances to prove he could play. He started the first seven games of the season, averaging 20 minutes and 5.5 shot attempts per game. Even after it became clear he wasn’t cutting it and headed to the bench, Whitney got several more shots at earning playing time. Kentucky has been desperate for a fifth reliable option to emerge. With Ashton Hagans, Tyrese Maxey, Immanuel Quickley and Nick Richards all playing consistently well, Calipari made it clear that whoever else could contribute positively — especially through defense and rebounding — would earn major minutes.
Truth be told, Calipari badly wanted that to be Whitney. The coach pleaded with him to block out whatever noise was rushing in from the outside and embrace a role as defensive stopper and glass cleaner. But it was no secret around the program that his father, former Seton Hall star Kelly Whitney, was unhappy with that idea. And whether it was because Dad didn’t like it or because Whitney wasn’t feeling it, the former top-15 recruit would not accept his new identity as a role player. He and his father saw Whitney as a big-time playmaker instead.
So he launched long, contested jump shots at every opportunity and turned the ball over at a high rate when he tried to put it on the floor. He shot 37 percent from the field, made just 4 of 16 3-pointers and was a dreadful 10-of-23 at the free-throw line. He produced almost twice as many turnovers (15) as assists (8) and in his final 69 minutes, Whitney managed just six rebounds, one block and no steals. He is, according to Synergy Sports, the team’s lowest-rated offensive and defensive player. In simpler terms, he just refused to accept the role Calipari offered him.I really want this guy! Or maybe not! 😉
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Post by hoyas315 on Jan 25, 2020 21:15:15 GMT -5
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 25, 2020 22:06:58 GMT -5
#1 Baylor is a team full of transfers and a JUCO. Get talent any way you can. There’s no right way to win.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 25, 2020 22:16:26 GMT -5
Not a pretty article, folks can take it fwiw since the writer covers UK... theathletic.com/1560243/2020/01/24/tucker-kahlil-whitney-is-stunningly-leaving-kentucky-but-for-where/If you thought the Quade Green transfer in the middle of last season was sudden … When freshman wing Kahlil Whitney told his Kentucky coaches and teammates on Friday he was leaving the program, an announcement that came just hours before the Wildcats departed for a Top 25 meeting at Texas Tech on Saturday, everyone involved was stunned. Maybe not at the decision, given Whitney’s plummeting playing time, but certainly at the timing.
Just 10 days earlier, assistant coach Kenny Payne said, “I feel confident he’s going to fight through.”To be clear, this was not an issue of opportunity. Whitney got plenty of chances to prove he could play. He started the first seven games of the season, averaging 20 minutes and 5.5 shot attempts per game. Even after it became clear he wasn’t cutting it and headed to the bench, Whitney got several more shots at earning playing time. Kentucky has been desperate for a fifth reliable option to emerge. With Ashton Hagans, Tyrese Maxey, Immanuel Quickley and Nick Richards all playing consistently well, Calipari made it clear that whoever else could contribute positively — especially through defense and rebounding — would earn major minutes.
Truth be told, Calipari badly wanted that to be Whitney. The coach pleaded with him to block out whatever noise was rushing in from the outside and embrace a role as defensive stopper and glass cleaner. But it was no secret around the program that his father, former Seton Hall star Kelly Whitney, was unhappy with that idea. And whether it was because Dad didn’t like it or because Whitney wasn’t feeling it, the former top-15 recruit would not accept his new identity as a role player. He and his father saw Whitney as a big-time playmaker instead.
So he launched long, contested jump shots at every opportunity and turned the ball over at a high rate when he tried to put it on the floor. He shot 37 percent from the field, made just 4 of 16 3-pointers and was a dreadful 10-of-23 at the free-throw line. He produced almost twice as many turnovers (15) as assists (8) and in his final 69 minutes, Whitney managed just six rebounds, one block and no steals. He is, according to Synergy Sports, the team’s lowest-rated offensive and defensive player. In simpler terms, he just refused to accept the role Calipari offered him.Wonder if this gives Seton Hall the inside track? I don't think it can be a positive that his dad is Seton Hall.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 25, 2020 22:40:40 GMT -5
Not a pretty article, folks can take it fwiw since the writer covers UK... theathletic.com/1560243/2020/01/24/tucker-kahlil-whitney-is-stunningly-leaving-kentucky-but-for-where/If you thought the Quade Green transfer in the middle of last season was sudden … When freshman wing Kahlil Whitney told his Kentucky coaches and teammates on Friday he was leaving the program, an announcement that came just hours before the Wildcats departed for a Top 25 meeting at Texas Tech on Saturday, everyone involved was stunned. Maybe not at the decision, given Whitney’s plummeting playing time, but certainly at the timing.
Just 10 days earlier, assistant coach Kenny Payne said, “I feel confident he’s going to fight through.”To be clear, this was not an issue of opportunity. Whitney got plenty of chances to prove he could play. He started the first seven games of the season, averaging 20 minutes and 5.5 shot attempts per game. Even after it became clear he wasn’t cutting it and headed to the bench, Whitney got several more shots at earning playing time. Kentucky has been desperate for a fifth reliable option to emerge. With Ashton Hagans, Tyrese Maxey, Immanuel Quickley and Nick Richards all playing consistently well, Calipari made it clear that whoever else could contribute positively — especially through defense and rebounding — would earn major minutes.
Truth be told, Calipari badly wanted that to be Whitney. The coach pleaded with him to block out whatever noise was rushing in from the outside and embrace a role as defensive stopper and glass cleaner. But it was no secret around the program that his father, former Seton Hall star Kelly Whitney, was unhappy with that idea. And whether it was because Dad didn’t like it or because Whitney wasn’t feeling it, the former top-15 recruit would not accept his new identity as a role player. He and his father saw Whitney as a big-time playmaker instead.
So he launched long, contested jump shots at every opportunity and turned the ball over at a high rate when he tried to put it on the floor. He shot 37 percent from the field, made just 4 of 16 3-pointers and was a dreadful 10-of-23 at the free-throw line. He produced almost twice as many turnovers (15) as assists (8) and in his final 69 minutes, Whitney managed just six rebounds, one block and no steals. He is, according to Synergy Sports, the team’s lowest-rated offensive and defensive player. In simpler terms, he just refused to accept the role Calipari offered him.Wonder if this gives Seton Hall the inside track? I don't think it can be a positive that his dad is Seton Hall. Whitney played HS ball in Illinois and his dad played for Louis Orr. I don't think Seton Hall is a big draw.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 26, 2020 9:02:06 GMT -5
Wonder if this gives Seton Hall the inside track? I don't think it can be a positive that his dad is Seton Hall. Whitney played HS ball in Illinois and his dad played for Louis Orr. I don't think Seton Hall is a big draw. Good intel on Louis Orr.
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