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Post by TC on Nov 1, 2017 13:53:36 GMT -5
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Post by ksf42001 on Nov 2, 2017 13:46:28 GMT -5
Apparently your required donation to the HHC for Hoya season tickets would no longer be deductible either...
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 2, 2017 18:29:23 GMT -5
I always thought the money people earned belonged to them, not the government. What a quaint thought.
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Post by hoyarooter on Nov 2, 2017 19:00:35 GMT -5
I always thought the money people earned belonged to them, not the government. What a quaint thought. We'll see if you sing the same tune when your tax bill goes up.
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 2, 2017 19:12:00 GMT -5
I always thought the money people earned belonged to them, not the government. What a quaint thought. We'll see if you sing the same tune when your tax bill goes up. And we will see your response when yours go down.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 2, 2017 21:32:08 GMT -5
We'll see if you sing the same tune when your tax bill goes up. And we will see your response when yours go down. How does Ed know that rooter is really wealthy and how does rooter know that Ed isn't?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 8:33:26 GMT -5
I always thought the money people earned belonged to them, not the government. What a quaint thought. 1 trillion of the 1.5 trillion goes to corporations and their cuts are permanent. 300 billion goes to individuals/working class people, many will get a tax increase, and majority of those cuts expire after 6 years. The other 200 billion is a permanent repeal of the estate tax. It's estimated that by 2027 47 million working class people will have their taxes increased as a result of this bill. A family with two kids earning 59K will get a tax increase of 500 dollars by 2027 while big corporations will receive a permanent tax cut.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 9:42:02 GMT -5
I always thought the money people earned belonged to them, not the government. What a quaint thought. 1 trillion of the 1.5 trillion goes to corporations and their cuts are permanent. 300 billion goes to individuals/working class people, many will get a tax increase, and majority of those cuts expire after 6 years. The other 200 billion is a permanent repeal of the estate tax. It's estimated that by 2027 47 million working class people will have their taxes increased as a result of this bill. A family with two kids earning 59K will get a tax increase of 500 dollars by 2027 while big corporations will receive a permanent tax cut. In the words of Mitt Romney, "Corporations are people, my friend."
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 3, 2017 10:33:15 GMT -5
I always thought the money people earned belonged to them, not the government. What a quaint thought. 1 trillion of the 1.5 trillion goes to corporations and their cuts are permanent. 300 billion goes to individuals/working class people, many will get a tax increase, and majority of those cuts expire after 6 years. The other 200 billion is a permanent repeal of the estate tax. It's estimated that by 2027 47 million working class people will have their taxes increased as a result of this bill. A family with two kids earning 59K will get a tax increase of 500 dollars by 2027 while big corporations will receive a permanent tax cut. The sainted Washington Post gave the Dems four Pinnochios for the claim that a family with two kids and earning $59k would get a tax increase. 70% of income tax filers use the standard deduction so they are not affected by things like mortgage or state tax deductions. What they are affected by is the Standard Deduction which is proposed to be raised. You continue to talk like the money belongs to the government. It doesn't and the government is confiscating an enormous amount of it from individuals and corporations, which are owned by real people/shareholders. The top 1% of taxpayers already are paying half of all income taxes, so if we are to lower taxes, they will also be able to keep more of their earnings. The government would not be giving them anything, just agreeing to confiscate less of their money.
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TC
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Post by TC on Nov 3, 2017 11:16:16 GMT -5
Guy who pretended to care about the debt and deficit for 8 years and complained about Medicare cuts in the Affordable Care Act only really cares about taxes.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 3, 2017 11:45:45 GMT -5
Guy who pretended to care about the debt and deficit for 8 years and complained about Medicare cuts in the Affordable Care Act only really cares about taxes. At the least, I hope this means that he intends to start paying some.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 3, 2017 12:18:32 GMT -5
1 trillion of the 1.5 trillion goes to corporations and their cuts are permanent. 300 billion goes to individuals/working class people, many will get a tax increase, and majority of those cuts expire after 6 years. The other 200 billion is a permanent repeal of the estate tax. It's estimated that by 2027 47 million working class people will have their taxes increased as a result of this bill. A family with two kids earning 59K will get a tax increase of 500 dollars by 2027 while big corporations will receive a permanent tax cut. The sainted Washington Post gave the Dems four Pinnochios for the claim that a family with two kids and earning $59k would get a tax increase. 70% of income tax filers use the standard deduction so they are not affected by things like mortgage or state tax deductions. What they are affected by is the Standard Deduction which is proposed to be raised. You continue to talk like the money belongs to the government. It doesn't and the government is confiscating an enormous amount of it from individuals and corporations, which are owned by real people/shareholders. The top 1% of taxpayers already are paying half of all income taxes, so if we are to lower taxes, they will also be able to keep more of their earnings. The government would not be giving them anything, just agreeing to confiscate less of their money. Can you provide the link to the Post article Ed? I think you're mixing different stories together.. In this article the post gave Democrats 4 pinnochios for saying "all working class families" would see an increase instead of millions.. I can't find your reference though.. www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/11/02/senate-democrats-falsely-claim-gop-tax-plan-will-raise-taxes-for-most-working-class-families/?utm_term=.c4a1096c6219
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 12:31:07 GMT -5
1 trillion of the 1.5 trillion goes to corporations and their cuts are permanent. 300 billion goes to individuals/working class people, many will get a tax increase, and majority of those cuts expire after 6 years. The other 200 billion is a permanent repeal of the estate tax. It's estimated that by 2027 47 million working class people will have their taxes increased as a result of this bill. A family with two kids earning 59K will get a tax increase of 500 dollars by 2027 while big corporations will receive a permanent tax cut. The sainted Washington Post gave the Dems four Pinnochios for the claim that a family with two kids and earning $59k would get a tax increase. 70% of income tax filers use the standard deduction so they are not affected by things like mortgage or state tax deductions. What they are affected by is the Standard Deduction which is proposed to be raised. You continue to talk like the money belongs to the government. It doesn't and the government is confiscating an enormous amount of it from individuals and corporations, which are owned by real people/shareholders. The top 1% of taxpayers already are paying half of all income taxes, so if we are to lower taxes, they will also be able to keep more of their earnings. The government would not be giving them anything, just agreeing to confiscate less of their money. That's incorrect. They fact checked a different assertion, not the one I stipulated above. www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/11/02/senate-democrats-falsely-claim-gop-tax-plan-will-raise-taxes-for-most-working-class-families/?utm_term=.9140cd89aa71_ This is what I was talking about from the NYT: www.nytimes.com/2017/11/02/us/politics/middle-class-tax-cut-republican-bill.htmlHere is the full breakdown if you want to analyze for errors medium.com/@kamin_83016/how-a-tax-cut-turns-into-a-tax-increase-960c32d1ba82Is it your belief that nobody should pay any taxes? How does that work exactly, can you point to a civilized nation that is executing that policy and flourishing?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 12:57:10 GMT -5
1 trillion of the 1.5 trillion goes to corporations and their cuts are permanent. 300 billion goes to individuals/working class people, many will get a tax increase, and majority of those cuts expire after 6 years. The other 200 billion is a permanent repeal of the estate tax. It's estimated that by 2027 47 million working class people will have their taxes increased as a result of this bill. A family with two kids earning 59K will get a tax increase of 500 dollars by 2027 while big corporations will receive a permanent tax cut. The sainted Washington Post gave the Dems four Pinnochios for the claim that a family with two kids and earning $59k would get a tax increase. 70% of income tax filers use the standard deduction so they are not affected by things like mortgage or state tax deductions. What they are affected by is the Standard Deduction which is proposed to be raised. You continue to talk like the money belongs to the government. It doesn't and the government is confiscating an enormous amount of it from individuals and corporations, which are owned by real people/shareholders. The top 1% of taxpayers already are paying half of all income taxes, so if we are to lower taxes, they will also be able to keep more of their earnings. The government would not be giving them anything, just agreeing to confiscate less of their money. Considering that the top 1% of taxpayers hold close to 40% of the wealth in this country, it's actually pretty appropriate that they foot about half of the tax bill. Because - you know - math. And I love the use of the word "confiscate". Makes it sound like the government doesn't actually do anything with that money. It's called living in a freaking civil society. I mean, there are a lot of common goods that we all benefit from, like interstate highways, golf carts at Mar-A-Lago, and a god damn military. There's a reasonable debate to be had about how tax dollars should be spent and how large the government should be, but if you're going to start from a place of "Taxes = the government confiscating people's money", you're clearly not open to having that reasonable debate.
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Post by TC on Nov 3, 2017 13:44:12 GMT -5
They want to tax tuition waivers? Kiss our R&D goodbye. Kiss PhD programs goodbye.
This is bleeding rocks for no good reason other than they want to bleed every rock to pay the rich.
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 3, 2017 14:16:24 GMT -5
They want to tax tuition waivers? Kiss our R&D goodbye. Kiss PhD programs goodbye. This is bleeding rocks for no good reason other than they want to bleed every rock to pay the rich. Creationism and other religion based nonsense will thrive. This country is determined to destroy itself.
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Post by TC on Nov 3, 2017 14:34:55 GMT -5
I take the more cynical view that this is a ploy to keep foreign non-whites out of grad schools, rather than some weird celebration of religion over science.
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 3, 2017 14:39:21 GMT -5
I agree that it’s probably not an explicit endorsement of religion over science (though many trumpers seem like folks that trust Bronze Age bible stories over modern science) but that a consequence of punting on science and tech will be insane ideas like creationism entering the void and getting an even louder voice.
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Post by hoyarooter on Nov 3, 2017 19:38:10 GMT -5
We'll see if you sing the same tune when your tax bill goes up. And we will see your response when yours go down. I live in California. If the bill is enacted as proposed (unlikely), I think there is a pretty good likelihood that my taxes will not decrease.
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