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Post by SSHoya on Jan 8, 2019 15:54:30 GMT -5
But, "NO COLLUSION!!! NONE!!! WITCH HUNT!!!
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 8, 2019 16:07:50 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 8, 2019 16:33:10 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 8:52:43 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 9, 2019 9:04:32 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 9:24:08 GMT -5
Can you smell that?
What possible value would a Russian industrial oligarch find in U.S. political campaign polling data?
Give me a reason other than, passing it on for the Russian election interference op.
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 9, 2019 9:41:39 GMT -5
Can you smell that? What possible value would a Russian industrial oligarch find in U.S. political campaign polling data? Give me a reason other than, passing it on for the Russian election interference op. Imagine if HRC or BHO had given internal data to any hostile foreign power -- imagine the corrupt GOP's reaction.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 9, 2019 22:01:10 GMT -5
Can you smell that? What possible value would a Russian industrial oligarch find in U.S. political campaign polling data? Give me a reason other than, passing it on for the Russian election interference op. It can't be collusion because the parties had a pre-existing relationship? How is that logical? I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of how collusion is legally defined (not my area), but I seriously doubt that this guy knows what he is talking about. Maybe it was actually Trump who said this.
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 10, 2019 15:28:25 GMT -5
Can you smell that? What possible value would a Russian industrial oligarch find in U.S. political campaign polling data? Give me a reason other than, passing it on for the Russian election interference op. It can't be collusion because the parties had a pre-existing relationship? How is that logical? I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of how collusion is legally defined (not my area), but I seriously doubt that this guy knows what he is talking about. Maybe it was actually Trump who said this. As demented Rudy has said many times, collusion is not a crime. That is correct, but conspiracy to defraud the United States is. 18 USC Section 371. If Manafort provided internal polling data to Kilimnik a Russian intelligence asset in order communication that information to the Russian government hackers who have been indicted so that they could target certain demographic groups via Facebook or other social media, you may have a conspiracy to violate federal campaign laws. Washington (CNN)Special counsel Robert Mueller sought information directly last year from one of Donald Trump's campaign pollsters who is also a former business associate of Paul Manafort's. Mueller's team met with pollster Tony Fabrizio in February 2018, an interview that has not been previously reported and takes on new significance after Manafort's attorneys revealed Tuesday that Mueller's team is still interested in how Manafort shared polling data with his Russian intelligence-linked colleague. www.cnn.com/2019/01/10/politics/robert-mueller-trump-pollster/index.html
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Post by CTHoya08 on Jan 10, 2019 17:06:54 GMT -5
Not that I believe it, but I imagine his point was "Manafort had a relationship with this guy, who might have wanted access to the polling data to gain an edge in his business, because the outcome of the U.S. election could affect his assets, investment plans, etc." Again, I am inclined to think that the reason for sharing the information was to help the Russians help Trump, but it's not entirely nuts to think that Manafort would be sharing information to help Manafort get/stay in the good graces of an oligarch for his own purposes.
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 11, 2019 21:05:08 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 11, 2019 21:22:14 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 12, 2019 8:16:19 GMT -5
See "The Attorney General's Guidelines for Domestic FBI Investigations," Section II, Investigations and Intelligence Gathering at 14-23. Assessments, preliminary investigations, and full investigations require differing levels of predication and approvals before they are initiated. Different investigative techniques are also authorized each time a higher investigative level is authorized. www.justice.gov/archive/opa/docs/guidelines.pdf
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 9:12:23 GMT -5
It’s probably not collusion if he’s an ACTUAL Russian agent. It’s just him doing his job.
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 12, 2019 17:03:35 GMT -5
Lengthy but well worth reading. (Jim Baker referenced in Wittes's article is my former boss and the one who hired me for the counterintelligence section at what was then called the Office of Intelligence Policy and Review, later stood up as the newly-formed National Security Division). The analysis that follows is lengthy and takes a number of twists and turns before laying out what I think is the significance of the whole thing. Here’s the bottom line: I believe that between today’s New York Times story and some other earlier material I have been sifting through and thinking about, we might be in a position to revisit the relationship between the “collusion” and obstruction components of the Mueller investigation. Specifically, I now believe they are far more integrated with one another than I previously understood. www.lawfareblog.com/what-if-obstruction-was-collusion-new-york-timess-latest-bombshell
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 12, 2019 18:53:14 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 12, 2019 19:17:20 GMT -5
Yes it is . . . if you're an agent of a hostile foreign power. 50 USC 1801(b) "Agent of a foreign power" means: (2) any person who— (A) knowingly engages in clandestine intelligence gathering activities for or on behalf of a foreign power, which activities involve or may involve a violation of the criminal statutes of the United States; (B) pursuant to the direction of an intelligence service or network of a foreign power, knowingly engages in any other clandestine intelligence activities for or on behalf of such foreign power, which activities involve or are about to involve a violation of the criminal statutes of the United States;(C) knowingly engages in sabotage or international terrorism, or activities that are in preparation therefor, for or on behalf of a foreign power;
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 19:53:33 GMT -5
Omg...
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