EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Oct 4, 2017 19:02:34 GMT -5
12 slide stocks....12 How is this position not considered extreme? "Do nothing ever" should be considered an extreme position. This appears to be a argument for no laws period. You can't legislate speeding. Even if you set the speed limit at 65, some people are going to go 75. You can't legislate the evil away but you can make it more difficult for evil to turn a semi automatic weapon into a fully automatic machine gun that drops 100 bullets in ten seconds or less.... Bump stocks okayed by Obama Administration: www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/bump-stock-device-received-atf-green-light-during-obama-administration
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Post by aleutianhoya on Oct 5, 2017 5:10:04 GMT -5
12 slide stocks....12 How is this position not considered extreme? "Do nothing ever" should be considered an extreme position. This appears to be a argument for no laws period. You can't legislate speeding. Even if you set the speed limit at 65, some people are going to go 75. You can't legislate the evil away but you can make it more difficult for evil to turn a semi automatic weapon into a fully automatic machine gun that drops 100 bullets in ten seconds or less.... Bump stocks okayed by Obama Administration: www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/bump-stock-device-received-atf-green-light-during-obama-administrationATF there was doing something that conservatives rightly criticized Obama for not doing over and over: interpreting the laws as written and not using executive fiat to usurp the legislature. The law makes these things legal. Criticize the Obama administration for lots of things, but arguing that they were anti gun control is silly. And to your earlier point, can we agree that banning bump stocks makes sense as a matter of policy and wouldn't infringe anyone's second amendment rights?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 7:48:55 GMT -5
12 slide stocks....12 How is this position not considered extreme? "Do nothing ever" should be considered an extreme position. This appears to be a argument for no laws period. You can't legislate speeding. Even if you set the speed limit at 65, some people are going to go 75. You can't legislate the evil away but you can make it more difficult for evil to turn a semi automatic weapon into a fully automatic machine gun that drops 100 bullets in ten seconds or less.... Bump stocks okayed by Obama Administration: www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/bump-stock-device-received-atf-green-light-during-obama-administrationATF approved because machine guns are defined as firearms which fire more than one cartridge with a single pull of the trigger. As long as you pull the trigger once for every round that leaves your gun you’re 100% legal. As I said earlier the technology uses physics to make it function as a fully auto. The stock stays stationary while the recoil from the weapon causes the gun to move back and forth rapidly causing the finger to re-engage the trigger. So for every round fired the gun is re-triggered, which makes it in compliance with the current statutes as written. One bullet per trigger pull. Would you like to see Congress pass a ban on these types of modifications?
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Oct 5, 2017 8:18:23 GMT -5
ATF approved because machine guns are defined as firearms which fire more than one cartridge with a single pull of the trigger. As long as you pull the trigger once for every round that leaves your gun you’re 100% legal. As I said earlier the technology uses physics to make it function as a fully auto. The stock stays stationary while the recoil from the weapon causes the gun to move back and forth rapidly causing the finger to re-engage the trigger. So for every round fired the gun is re-triggered, which makes it in compliance with the current statutes as written. One bullet per trigger pull. Would you like to see Congress pass a ban on these types of modifications? To put my link about the Obama admin approving the bump stops in context -- you are so adamant anti-Trump I wanted to ensure they were not unfairly linked to Trump. I do support Congress outlawing them but for a different reason. I am a strong Constitionalist and believe all Constitution issues should be viewed from original intent, something the left doesn't accept. The framers of the Second Amendment did not intend to give the people the right to a machine gun, a shoulder-fired missile, a tank, or an ICBM.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 8:47:49 GMT -5
ATF approved because machine guns are defined as firearms which fire more than one cartridge with a single pull of the trigger. As long as you pull the trigger once for every round that leaves your gun you’re 100% legal. As I said earlier the technology uses physics to make it function as a fully auto. The stock stays stationary while the recoil from the weapon causes the gun to move back and forth rapidly causing the finger to re-engage the trigger. So for every round fired the gun is re-triggered, which makes it in compliance with the current statutes as written. One bullet per trigger pull. Would you like to see Congress pass a ban on these types of modifications? To put my link about the Obama admin approving the bump stops in context -- you are so adamant anti-Trump I wanted to ensure they were not unfairly linked to Trump. I do support Congress outlawing them but for a different reason. I am a strong Constitionalist and believe all Constitution issues should be viewed from original intent, something the left doesn't accept. The framers of the Second Amendment did not intend to give the people the right to a machine gun, a shoulder-fired missile, a tank, or an ICBM. That's certainly debatable but let's be serious, neither does Trump on plenty of issues... You felt it necessary to protect POTUS from a comment I didn't make?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 15:05:52 GMT -5
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Post by hoya95 on Oct 5, 2017 15:09:40 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 15:28:18 GMT -5
I'll save the NRA the trouble. The mods do comply with current law, that's why they're legal. ATF could issue new guidance but it would be challenged in the courts and likely be reinstated. It sounds good but unless they go further and call for the law to be changed to ban bump stocks this looks like a delaying tactic. Hopefully I'm wrong but devils in the details... Maybe it's a signal that they won't lobby congress against a ban on these mods though..
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Post by hoya95 on Oct 5, 2017 16:00:31 GMT -5
I'll save the NRA the trouble. The mods do comply with current law, that's why they're legal. ATF could issue new guidance but it would be challenged in the courts and likely be reinstated. It sounds good but unless they go further and call for the law to be changed to ban bump stocks this looks like a delaying tactic. Hopefully I'm wrong but devils in the details... Maybe it's a signal that they won't lobby congress against a ban on these mods though.. It should give cover for Representatives to vote for a ban, and "should be subject to further regulation" is about as close as the NRA has gotten to asking for a ban on anything. I've never heard them use that language, at least. Baby steps, I know.
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 5, 2017 17:48:32 GMT -5
I'll save the NRA the trouble. The mods do comply with current law, that's why they're legal. ATF could issue new guidance but it would be challenged in the courts and likely be reinstated. It sounds good but unless they go further and call for the law to be changed to ban bump stocks this looks like a delaying tactic. Hopefully I'm wrong but devils in the details... Maybe it's a signal that they won't lobby congress against a ban on these mods though.. Bingo!! And meanwhile this.. money.cnn.com/2017/10/05/smallbusiness/bump-fire-stocks/index.html"Oh, God, yes, it's been insane. Since this story has broke, we've been getting about 50 people a day asking for them," said Michael Cargill, owner of Central Texas Gun Works in Austin, Texas. He said his distributors sold out, too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 8:43:29 GMT -5
I'll save the NRA the trouble. The mods do comply with current law, that's why they're legal. ATF could issue new guidance but it would be challenged in the courts and likely be reinstated. It sounds good but unless they go further and call for the law to be changed to ban bump stocks this looks like a delaying tactic. Hopefully I'm wrong but devils in the details... Maybe it's a signal that they won't lobby congress against a ban on these mods though.. Bingo!! And meanwhile this.. money.cnn.com/2017/10/05/smallbusiness/bump-fire-stocks/index.html"Oh, God, yes, it's been insane. Since this story has broke, we've been getting about 50 people a day asking for them," said Michael Cargill, owner of Central Texas Gun Works in Austin, Texas. He said his distributors sold out, too.Makes sense but smh.... I watched NRA spokesman Chris Cox on Tucker Carson's show last night and he said he wasn't calling on a ban for anything. He floated the idea that Hollywood violence and prescription drugs are to blame for the current gun epidemic. He reiterated his call for BATFE to review the legality of the stocks they already said were legal. He spent more time arguing for congress to pass their "National Concealed Carry Reciprocity" initiative. If you see lawmakers start saying we should wait for the review from the ATF on bump stocks before we do anything, then you already know what's next. Nobody elected the NRA. No idea why we have to wait for their ok to do anything...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 10:21:40 GMT -5
And there you have it..... Slippery...
"Congress let ATF Re-Evaluate Bump Stocks"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 10:25:56 GMT -5
This from the ATF official who wrote the recommendation in 2010: “We could not find a way to classify it as a machine gun” www.thetrace.org/rounds/atf-bump-stock-evaluation-legal-machine-gun/The ATF defines a machine gun as any weapon that is capable of firing multiple rounds with the single pull of the trigger. Under federal law, machine guns are strictly regulated, and have been out of production in the United States since 1986. The question before Vazquez and his team: Did a bump stock transform a rifle into a machine gun, making it illegal? After months of testing the devices and studying the law, the ATF arrived at a decision. It ruled that the bump stock did not make a gun fully automatic, because the trigger of a rifle equipped with the device still had to be engaged every time the weapon fired.“We could not find a way to classify it as a machine gun,” Vasquez said. He explained the decision in detail in a document he shared with The Trace. _____ You have to change the law. Speaker Ryan knows this. The NRA knows this. They're trying to dribble out the clock...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 5:48:35 GMT -5
Welp....
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Post by aristides on Oct 13, 2017 6:04:16 GMT -5
You called it. Amazing. Infuriating. And the Republicans will just do whatever the NRA says I'm assuming.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 11:49:13 GMT -5
By all means let's jump right in with legislative changes before we actually what know the facts are. That makes much more sense. More than 10,000 homicides a year are committed with guns in this country. That's a fact. "Now is not the right time..." is the refrain of those who believe that it's never the right time. 5 years ago today, 20 children were gunned down as they sat in their classrooms in Newtown, CT. Is now the right time? Or is it too soon?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 12:12:53 GMT -5
This is the only legislation the House has passed since Vegas.
An early Xmas gift for the NRA...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 14:49:27 GMT -5
Guess it's always too soon to talk about gun control...
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Post by tashoya on Dec 21, 2017 19:59:17 GMT -5
Guess it's always too soon to talk about gun control... You can't make up this level of ridiculousness.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 23, 2018 19:52:41 GMT -5
Another school shooting today. We definitely need more guns.
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