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Post by centercourt400s on Sept 28, 2017 14:10:46 GMT -5
With a new head coach and no recent success, we don't really have much to lose even if we are caught up in it. The worst case for us is some NCAA penalties, while other programs will be firing HOF coaches, losing top recruiters and the systematic cheating that brought them recruiting success in the first place, losing recruiting classes and current players to transfers and ineligibility. We are already rebuilding and now a bunch of top 25 programs are about to start having to completely unexpectedly. Even if we were playing this game, we were clearly awful at it, so watching it implode can only benefit us to some degree. I agree entirely, it's just that the glee some are getting out of this seems pre-mature. It's been a couple of days and dominos are still falling. It'll be nice to be on an even playing field but no need to count our chickens before they're hatched. Any yet from the moment that John Thompson first became head coach, Georgetown basketball has always been viewed as a clean program. Integrity and honesty (sometimes of the brutal variety) have been calling cards of the program and of the Thompsons. All the programs we've heard about in this investigation so far are ones where questions have been raised in the past and suspicions voiced. That's never happened with Georgetown. I'm not naive enough to think that Georgetown basketball has done absolutely nothing wrong over the last 30 years... but bribery? No way I believe that.
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Post by jld54 on Sept 28, 2017 14:13:02 GMT -5
I sincerely doubt that JT3 was involved in this stuff, or that Pat is in the 5 months he is here. However, if it came to pass that GU engaged in criminal conduct, then so be it.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Sept 28, 2017 14:22:36 GMT -5
When JTII was coach, I heard a story, where the university contacted a prominent alumnus, who, besides his day job with a newspaper, was a HS basketball referee. Georgetown was interested in a player, whose game was to be refereed by this alumnus, and they did not want him to referee this game in order to avoid any hint of favoritism.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Sept 28, 2017 14:24:00 GMT -5
I agree entirely, it's just that the glee some are getting out of this seems pre-mature. It's been a couple of days and dominos are still falling. It'll be nice to be on an even playing field but no need to count our chickens before they're hatched. Any yet from the moment that John Thompson first became head coach, Georgetown basketball has always been viewed as a clean program. Integrity and honesty (sometimes of the brutal variety) have been calling cards of the program and of the Thompsons. All the programs we've heard about in this investigation so far are ones where questions have been raised in the past and suspicions voiced. That's never happened with Georgetown. I'm not naive enough to think that Georgetown basketball has done absolutely nothing wrong over the last 30 years... but bribery? No way I believe that. My sense is that Georgetown tries to do things the right way. Even in the Feinstein column, JT Jr was portrayed as more the voice of reason telling other coaches to go do things the right way. I certainly don't suspect that JTIII was out there orchestrating bribery schemes in the way others have done. That said, I've generally tried to be neutral in my approach to this because there is always a risk something like this may happen. Particularly at the assistant level, folks move around so often it's conceivable someone who coached here took a walk on the wild side somewhere else. When that happens, it casts doubt on everything they've done. Bottom line, though, I agree with plenty of others that this is good for basketball long term, regardless or where it goes and the coaches it implicates. To put a finer point on it, if we were doing this, we deserve to be caught and be punished for it. The behavior in the indictment was just ridiculous. And we've been bad for long enough now it's a rebuild either way. Everyone here is new. Ewing obviously wasn't involved in this as he was busy coaching in the NBA. So I just want us to do the right things now.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Sept 28, 2017 15:04:14 GMT -5
My wishlist for FBI warrants: Syracuse, Kentucky, Kansas, UConn and Duke. LSU, Memphis and Kansas State always reek.
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Post by hoyas315 on Sept 28, 2017 15:30:43 GMT -5
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Post by bostonfan on Sept 28, 2017 15:36:08 GMT -5
My wishlist for FBI warrants: Syracuse, Kentucky, Kansas, UConn and Duke. LSU, Memphis and Kansas State always reek. I would be shocked if LSU does not come up in this investigation. I never understood how they got a lot of the recruits they have been getting for the last few years. No history to the program and they have not had much success winning lately, but still seemed to get a few highly ranked players every year. Makes you wonder!!!! Hope Tremont does not regret his decision
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 28, 2017 15:36:38 GMT -5
Cheating is clearly widespread, but you can't implicate everyone. At some point folks will say, "our guy was cheating, but so was everyone else." The whole current cheating/money system will collapse. All the cheaters will be running to the Feds to get their first to get immunity and plea bargaining. The guys who are last will hold get the biggest penalty so it's going to encourage a lot of people to turn quickly like a horde of rats jumping a sinking ship.
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 28, 2017 15:39:29 GMT -5
I sincerely doubt that JT3 was involved in this stuff, or that Pat is in the 5 months he is here. However, if it came to pass that GU engaged in criminal conduct, then so be it. III never compromised his integrity. Some saw that as not wanting to recruit or play the game. At the end that cost him his job but maybe greater things are in store for him.
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 28, 2017 15:43:00 GMT -5
My wishlist for FBI warrants: Syracuse, Kentucky, Kansas, UConn and Duke. LSU, Memphis and Kansas State always reek. I would be shocked if LSU does not come up in this investigation. I never understood how they got a lot of the recruits they have been getting for the last few years. No history to the program and they have not had much success winning lately, but still seemed to get a few highly ranked players every year. Makes you wonder!!!! Hope Tremont does not regret his decision They had Shaq, Chris Jackson and Pete Maravich so I wouldn't say no history. But they did seem to be pulling more their weight the last couple years.
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Post by Cambridge on Sept 28, 2017 16:01:56 GMT -5
My wishlist for FBI warrants: Syracuse, Kentucky, Kansas, UConn and Duke. LSU, Memphis and Kansas State always reek. I would be shocked if LSU does not come up in this investigation. I never understood how they got a lot of the recruits they have been getting for the last few years. No history to the program and they have not had much success winning lately, but still seemed to get a few highly ranked players every year. Makes you wonder!!!! Hope Tremont does not regret his decision Will Wade just became the head coach. He made a name for himself after successful stints as HC at Chattanooga and VCU. Before that was an asst under Purnell, Amaker, and Shaka.
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Post by SDHoya on Sept 28, 2017 16:10:46 GMT -5
I sincerely doubt that JT3 was involved in this stuff, or that Pat is in the 5 months he is here. However, if it came to pass that GU engaged in criminal conduct, then so be it. III never compromised his integrity. Some saw that as not wanting to recruit or play the game. At the end that cost him his job but maybe greater things are in store for him. Lest we forget our own history of living dangerously... Georgetown Player's Ignominious MarkSchools Where the Only Real Test Is Basketball
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 28, 2017 16:14:33 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 28, 2017 16:30:33 GMT -5
My wishlist for FBI warrants: Syracuse, Kentucky, Kansas, UConn and Duke. LSU, Memphis and Kansas State always reek. I am disappointed that Syracuse only appears once on your list.
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 28, 2017 16:34:57 GMT -5
Well, if our friends on Capitol Hill get involved, the NCAA investigation will crawl to a halt.
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Post by jwp91 on Sept 28, 2017 17:05:16 GMT -5
Yea...Congress will only show them how to cheat more effectively. Talk about zero credibility for ever the ethical thing. We will see McConnell saying that what Pitino did was entirely justified.
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Post by hoyainla on Sept 28, 2017 17:24:53 GMT -5
I sincerely doubt that JT3 was involved in this stuff, or that Pat is in the 5 months he is here. However, if it came to pass that GU engaged in criminal conduct, then so be it. III never compromised his integrity. Some saw that as not wanting to recruit or play the game. At the end that cost him his job but maybe greater things are in store for him. III's strengh was recruiting. He got plenty of talent. Just didn't know what to do with it.
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Post by hoyaboya on Sept 28, 2017 17:29:02 GMT -5
I sincerely doubt that JT3 was involved in this stuff, or that Pat is in the 5 months he is here. However, if it came to pass that GU engaged in criminal conduct, then so be it. III never compromised his integrity. Some saw that as not wanting to recruit or play the game. At the end that cost him his job but maybe greater things are in store for him. Totally disagree that this caused JT3 his job. His recruits were fine. They were consistently among the top rated recruits entering the Big East. JT3's problem was he failed to develop and coach them effectively. But he had more talent, on paper, than the vast majority of Big East teams he was competing against when he was putting up crappy records.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Sept 28, 2017 17:56:24 GMT -5
III never compromised his integrity. Some saw that as not wanting to recruit or play the game. At the end that cost him his job but maybe greater things are in store for him. Totally disagree that this caused JT3 his job. His recruits were fine. They were consistently among the top rated recruits entering the Big East. JT3's problem was he failed to develop and coach them effectively. But he had more talent, on paper, than the vast majority of Big East teams he was competing against when he was putting up crappy records. Maybe he was just too frugal to invest in a good POINT GUARD?!?!?! (Ducks and runs)
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Sept 28, 2017 18:04:21 GMT -5
LSU must have paid for Waters. They got in late and sealed the deal.
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